I sincerely apologize schuylaar - thank the trolls.

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
GWN - maybe it's me..1. i don't see any true trolling (unless you deleted something) and 2. red answered the question..this whole thread is an excercise 3. MEN - because of the way i posted it empowered others to voice their opinions who normally don't..go through the thread you'll see..for the most part this thread is pretty light on trolling compared to what i know it can be..everyone was behaving rather well..i believe it brought a better understanding and tolerance from certain members including myself..members learned from this..they were even self-moderating to keep it on track..did someone complain?..perhaps you'd like to give it a day or so..it's a shame to trash 42 pages of a good topic as this thread was highest trending since it posted..

schuylaar<3
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
They kick us when we're up, they kick us when we're down, they kick us in the face, they kick us all around.

Well at least you do what I do....Start a thread about it. :) And not worry.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
is anyone aware of why the FLSA and Child Labor Law was created?

A: to regulate the job creators who can't be trusted to pay a fair wage and provide safe working conditions

[h=2]Child Labor[/h] [HR][/HR] Introduction
Today, we consider working in a canning factory, making glass, spinning in a textile factory or working in a coal mine jobs for adults. During the American Industrial Revolution, these were just a few of the dangerous jobs performed by children. Throughout history children have worked. The work was usually agricultural and often on the family farm. Children would work alongside their family and were rarely asked to perform a task that could cause them harm. But over time, families, many who were immigrants, moved to urban areas searching for work. Their dreams of a better life soon vanished. Working long hours for little pay required every member of a family, including children, to work merely for a family to survive. Child labor was attractive to business owners for several reasons. Children could fit into tight spaces in factories and mines where adults couldn't go.[SUP]1[/SUP] Children were also easier to control with threats and verbal and physical abuse that scared children into doing what a supervisor required.[SUP]1[/SUP] Most importantly, children were paid less than adults doing the same job.[SUP]1[/SUP] Working 10 to 14 hours a day, six days a week, left little time for play or school. Since children either did not attend school or attended infrequently, many were illiterate and lacked the knowledge needed to escape this way of life. In the final quarter of the nineteenth century the number of children working increased. The official number was 1.75 million but his figure is drastically underestimated. Factories were not the only industry increasing child labor, cotton mills in the south were experiencing a surge. Employees under the age of fifteen rose to 25 percent and half of these children below the age of twelve. The increasing number of children working plus the shocking conditions these children worked in, finally brought child labor to the attention of the public. The National Child Labor Committee began conducting investigations into child labor by using photography to publicize the conditions these children worked in everyday.[SUP]1[/SUP] Through lobbying efforts, laws restricting child labor were passed through many state legislatures but many had loopholes or were simply ignored. This led to a fight for a federal child labor law. In 1916 and 1918, Congress passed the laws but the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional.[SUP]1[/SUP] Congress passed a constitutional amendment authorizing federal child labor legislation but fear of increased federal power relating to children prevented many states from ratifying it.[SUP]1 [/SUP] It would take the Great Depression to cause a decrease in child labor. High unemployment lead to jobs being filled by adults that were previously held by children. New machinery also played a part in cutting child labor. Simple tasks became mechanized and machinery more complicated requiring a higher level of education. The United States has not eliminated child labor. It still exists in certain areas o the economy, but it has reduced significantly allowing a childhood of play, education and discovery. [HR][/HR] Connecting to Illinois The Industrial Revolution brought a increased need for coal to keep steam machinery running. Illinois helped to meet this need with coal mines, mostly in northern Illinois. Young boys were employed by coal companies because of their small size and low wages. Boys as young as eight could be found working the mines. Poverty drove parents to lie about their children's age so they could work in the mines. Mining companies were oblivious to the children who were legally too young to work in the dangerous mines. Companies profited from child labor since wages for children were so low. Children had a variety of jobs in the mines. Trapper boys opened and closed the huge doors allowing mining cars to travel from one area of the mine to another. The doors needed to open and shut quickly to control ventilation in the mines. These children worked in almost complete darkness. Breaker boys separated coal from rocks or other debris. This work was done above ground but still posed hazards to young workers. They sat in a room dark from the thick coal dust for hours. Just like the children working underground, breaker boys inhaled great amounts of coal dust damaging their lungs and causing illness. Breaker boys handled thousands of pieces of coal each day and the sulfur on the coal would cause their fingers to swell and bleed. The sounds of the machines used were deafening and able to crush small hands quickly. The ability of young boys to run and be agile should be used in games and fun, it was this ability that kept boys employed in the glass factories during the Industrial Revolution. The job boys performed at the glass factory in Alton, Illinois was hot and dangerous. It took two or three boys to assist each glass blower.[SUP]2 [/SUP]One boy sat close to the mold while hot molten glass was poured inside. After the mold was poured, another boy took the glass out, placed it on a long stick and put it in front of a small furnace called "the glory hole."[SUP]2 [/SUP]The glass was placed on a tray where boys picked them up and ran to the annealing furnaces where the glass gradually cooled.[SUP]2[/SUP] The glass factories can not get adults to run as fast as the children could between the molds and furnaces. These boys would work days one week and nights the next, which left no time for school. By 1900, roughly 1.7 million children under the age of 16 worked in factories.[SUP]3[/SUP] Young boys and girls worked long hours for little pay near dangerous equipment that could dismember small hands, fingers and legs. To reach high lever on the running equipment very young children would stand on the machine which was extremely dangerous. The conditions in factories were harsh and treatment of the children by adult supervisors was abusive. The death toll in the factories was high, yet there was little concern for children who were injured or even killed because there was always another child to take their place. Economics was a driving force behind child labor during the Industrial Revolution. Companies depended on the cheap wages they could pay children and would threaten to close or leave the state if any serious child labor legislation stood in their way. Getting the product to he public by any means took precedence over the safety of children. [HR][/HR] Places to Go & Primary Sources to See Jane Addams Hull House. Hull House was the private home of Jane Addams and Chicago's first social settlement. Jane Addams and others who lived at Hull House were advocates for child labor reform. Through their efforts, Illinois legislature passed child labor laws in 1916. Addams served as an executive member of the National Child Labor Committee. Hull House offered many services including day-care facilities for working mothers, a kindergarten, an art gallery, music and art classes and an unemployment bureau. By the second year, Hull House was serving over 2,000 residents every week. Jane Addams lived and worked at Hull House until her death in 1935. [HR][/HR] TPS EIU Staff Pick They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. Lewis Hine knew this when he was hired by the National Child Labor Committee (NCLC) to cross the country photographing and documenting the atrocity of child labor in America. Hine started out as a school teacher in New York City. He was fascinated with photography and used it in his classes. Hine was outraged at the increasing number of children forced into hard labor for the survival of themselves and their families. When he was approached about becoming an investigative reporter for the NCLC, he quit his job as a teacher and devoted himself full-time to photographing child labor. Hine had his work cut out for him because children seemed to be working everywhere. An industrial boom caused a high demand for labor but wages stayed low. That required everyone in a family. including children, to work just to supply the basic needs. The number of children working industrial jobs alone jumped to two million in 1910.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Children were not only found in factories, they were working in fields, coal mines, on street corners selling newspapers after dark, shucking oysters, and many other dangerous jobs not meant for children. Hine traveled thousands of miles to photograph these children. To gain entry into the factory and the trust of the supervisors, Hine would pose as a photographer working for companies wanting photographs of the machinery the children were using, sometimes while hiding his camera, he would act as an inspector there to review the factory. If he was denied entry into the factories he would photograph and talk to the children as they left for the day. Lewis Hine believed Americans needed to see the job these children performed and the conditions they endured, both physical and mental. To look into a child's eyes knowing they could not read or write, were sick from breathing toxic air or tired form working twelve to fourteen hours a day, Hine knew Americans would be outraged. These children had very little education which would chain them to a life of poverty and hard labor. Hine told their stories through his photographs and by interviewing the children asking their age, how long they had been working and what their job entailed. he documented their heart-breaking stories and shared them with the American public. The thousands of photographs he took and documentation he kept helped enforce legislation banning child labor. Lewis Hine continued to work in photography after leaving the NCLC but struggled to make a living. He won many awards for his photographs but died in extreme poverty on November 3, 1940. The fight against child labor is not over. today there are still children in American who get up every morning and go to work instead of school. Children of migrant families who are often paid by the piece instead of by the hour, must work alongside their parents. The agriculture and restaurant fields attract young laborers. While it is permissible for children sixteen and older to work in some industries, the jobs they often perform are considered too dangerous. Many products sold in America today are manufactured in other countries which makes it difficult to track child labor. Companies sub-contract to other companies who purchase form companies located all over the world, so finding out if the products purchased were put together by children is nearly impossible. In poverty stricken countries the number of children working is extremely high. Children are not just working in factories or farms, they sometimes end up in human trafficking or illegal drug trade.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
is anyone aware of why the FLSA and Child Labor Law was created?

A: to regulate the job creators who can't be trusted to pay a fair wage and provide safe working conditions

Child Labor
Rage-sweatshops.jpg

You better return those GUESS shoes or risk being labelled a hypocrite
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
does anyone know why there is a Minimum Wage Law?

A: because job creators can't be trusted

does anyone doubt this?

this is why job creators don't have a say in it..they'd pay as little as they could get away with all the while letting the taxpayers foot the bill for wage inequality (SNAP, Welfare) with job creators benefiting from loopholes adding to their wealth..seems job creators have the best of both worlds.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
interesting you remember that i have those..i really feel sorry for you, echelon.
so you're not going to return them and instead CHOOSE to support child labour exploitation to keep up with the jones'?

Tell me why your physical appearance is more important than the children you pay to oppress?
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
does anyone know why there is a Minimum Wage Law?

A: because job creators can't be trusted

does anyone doubt this?

this is why job creators don't have a say in it..they'd pay as little as they could get away with all the while letting the taxpayers foot the bill for wage inequality (SNAP, Welfare) with job creators benefiting from loopholes adding to their wealth..seems job creators have the best of both worlds.
Statutory minimum wage regulation was first introduced in New Zealand in 1894 and the Australian colony (soon to be a state) of Victoria in 1896.[SUP][4][/SUP]

The movement for a minimum wage was initially targeted at stopping sweatshop labour.

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So, it was designed for a good reason that was turned bad by Labor, perhaps.

IAC, ole Doer was recently called on for opinions. A University pollster got me to discuss current events and my level of disgust on many issues...Right on!

This question was brought up and I had to say yes or no, if it is a job killer. I said after much thought, maybe...but aloud I said YES.

But, as usual in self rule, it is very complicated and not at all arbitrary, just a sad compromise about other human behavior, as Sky said.

I personally think that times are changing, jobs are changing and health care pools is a necessary step.This is an entirely new, equation of creating, training, and yes, conditioning of a work force for heath and saving, patriotism in taxes, etc. All about the new workers.

If we then understand that bosses were already shifting to part time, nothing new there, the ACA can make it possible to relive these job creators of employee health responsiblity, or even Concern.

So, employers can pay more for these part time workers and should pay more. However, I would like to see it done sensibly with market area minimum. Reel River is not the same as NYC.

But, it won't happen...it is self rule and jealously among States. Our system.

IAC, the big markets where it is really needed, it is needed for the MOB, the underclasses. In a big market where I am, the housing, fuel, food, insurance cost is sky high. Yet, we need the same service economy as anywhere. If these workers are not paid at the parity for services rendered, in this local economy, they are forced to commute, clog roads, and waste gas, or they are forced into the seedy areas.

So, is an increase in min wage a job killer, yes and no, according to how we define job and killer. Maybe we are in a giant social change and aught not think so conservatively...stop fighting the last war, as the warriors say.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
so you're not going to return them and instead CHOOSE to support child labour exploitation to keep up with the jones'?

Tell me why your physical appearance is more important than the children you pay to oppress?
those shoes were purchased when i was earning a six figure income..my physical appearance was very important to the company i worked for as per their "slides" of the perfect sales representative that i'm to aspire to according to their human resources department..physical appearance is so important at this company, that if you walked in for an interview..you were wasting your time unless your looks were aryan in nature..you're previous employment, accomplishments meant nothing..
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Wow, can you see the sparkle in my eyes, Market Gal? I have paid real good attention over the years to your sisters in Biz.

I think an American Female's looks are more important to her and me than all the under-classed children I can do nothing about

Don't appolgiise or explain, Sky. Pearls before swine, Nothing equivocal about nice shoes and "Oppressed" childern, in the first place, for Gawd's sake@!
 

see4

Well-Known Member
You missed alot last night. Posts just kept getting deleted.

Apparently I am not allowed to have an opinion if it offends you, and so sayeth the mods!! :]
It's a private forum. If you don't like it. Leave.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
those shoes were purchased when i was earning a six figure income..my physical appearance was very important to the company i worked for as per their "slides" of the perfect sales representative that i'm to aspire to according to their human resources department..physical appearance is so important at this company, that if you walked in for an interview..you were wasting your time unless your looks were aryan in nature..you're previous employment, accomplishments meant nothing..
I'm not doubting the situation, couldn't you have chosen a company that doesn't employ children as modern day slaves to purchase footwear from?
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

Well-Known Member
those shoes were purchased when i was earning a six figure income..my physical appearance was very important to the company i worked for as per their "slides" of the perfect sales representative that i'm to aspire to according to their human resources department..physical appearance is so important at this company, that if you walked in for an interview..you were wasting your time unless your looks were aryan in nature..you're previous employment, accomplishments meant nothing..
So, yes? Appearance was more important?
 
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