Obama's Power Grab to Gain Control of Private Property

Except that the M in POUM is plural. Therefore no I didn't assert that. Big red letters don't make your bs true. Read Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell and then you won't have to be so full of shit.

Buenaventura Durruti was a libertarian too.

You should read Orwell's books before you insist that you know more about him than someone who has read them.

Unless you want to seem like a clown. I didn't read the rest of your post.

plurality in the Unification of several MARXIST groups. what you think being PLURAL changes in their avowed Marxism is beyond any logic.

durruti is LABELED an "anarchist" but he was still a proletarian, still a collectivist, still a labour union man, and still a leftist, and thus still, by any measure of his political leanings, what any sensible person would call a Communist, which is in fact a MARXIST

your No True Scotsman games are quite tiresome.


Edit: and i do not believe you in your allegation that Partido Obrero de Unificación Marxista is plural.

Amigos, More than one amigo.
Tortillas, More than one tortilla
Marxista, Therefore is logically ONE marxist, but i could be wrong. it matters not.

even were it plural, "The Workers Party for Marxists Unification" is hardly a significant change from accepted translation "The Workers Party for Marxist Unification" which is the english version used in EVERY source.
it is a distinction that makes no difference.
 
plurality in the Unification of several MARXIST groups. what you think being PLURAL changes in their avowed Marxism is beyond any logic.

durruti is LABELED an "anarchist" but he was still a proletarian, still a collectivist, still a labour union man, and still a leftist, and thus still, by any measure of his political leanings, what any sensible person would call a Communist, which is in fact a MARXIST

your No True Scotsman games are quite tiresome.

Oh look kkkynes is labeling a bunch of people as marxists. You never see that...
 
Wow, what an ass kickin'.

It's getting so embarrassing that I actually feel physical pain for AC. Citation after citation from Kynes followed by clever responses of "Nuh uh" and "you haven't read ..." which were immediately preceded by exerps from the works that were claimed to be unread.

You'd be better off posting "I smell burnt toast", faking an aneurism and fading into obscurity.

You're so far from fucked in this debate, you couldn't catch a train back to fucked.
 
Wow, what an ass kickin'.

It's getting so embarrassing that I actually feel physical pain for AC. Citation after citation from Kynes followed by clever responses of "Nuh uh" and "you haven't read ..." which were immediately preceded by exerps from the works that were claimed to be unread.

You'd be better off posting "I smell burnt toast", faking an aneurism and fading into obscurity.

You're so far from fucked in this debate, you couldn't catch a train back to fucked.

Yeah right. All he has done is call everyone a marxist. It wouldn't make for prevalent logic even if it were true.

Top it off by the fact that he is a marxist.

The fact is that none of the people he has called marxist were, not Orwell, not Chomsky, not Russell, not Durruti and not me. But Kkkynes is. You call that debating? I'm not giving serious replies to a clown.
 
Oh look kkkynes is labeling a bunch of people as marxists. You never see that...

so, durruti aint a Marxist, he just believes in everything they believe in, organizes the same people in the same manner for the same goals, and fights the same foes as Marxists, but he isnt a Marxist, because he never stuck the label on himself, which MANY people of that time refused to do, because the Third Communist International was dominated by Stalinists, rather than "Pure Marxists", and "Pure Marxists" like Trotsky and the various Proto-Marxist groups didnt care much for the Bolshevik's excessive use of bureaucracy and repression against Marxism's more traditionalist segments.

wow you really dont know much about Socialism, Marxism or apparently why so many Marxists preferred to be called "Anarchists" despite their obvious affiliation with "Left" Marxism (note that Left, Center and Right do NOT mean the same things in Marxist Jargon that they do in more civilized circles)

a quick Primer on Marxism's use of Left Right and Center:

Left Marxism: Trotsky Style International Worker's Solidarity, Perpetual Revolution, exporting of Marxism to Bourgeois regimes and Pre-Bouregois feudalist/manorialist/agrarian societies through the traditional Intellectual Vanguard dynamic
Center Marxism: Stalin Style Marxist Bureaucracy, operated through the Industrial Worker's vanguard, Nationalism first, to secure Marxism in one country, rather than Perpetual Revolution
Right Marxism: Mao Style Agrarian Vanguard Marxism, centered on the peasant proletariat, and a distrust of the Intellectual and Industrial Vanguard models.

funny how it's all still Marxism.

in many countries, being a "Communist" or "Marxist" was a crime, but declaring yourself an "Anarchist" was not, so "Anarchists" could meet, organize and rally, in places where "Communists and "Marxists" could not.
Many segments of Marxism were also ideologically opposed to the implementation used by the Bolsheviks, so they refused to call themselves by a name which might imply they were Bolsheviks.
The same dynamic occurs today in many political ideologies.
Example: many conservatives prefer to call themselves Libertarians rather than "Republicans" despite an almost universal support for the Republic, but the Republican Party has offended their sensibilities to such a degree that they eschew the name.
when you examine their beliefs they remain strong Republicans, and Conservatives, usually much more stalwart in their beliefs than the "Republican Party" that has hijacked the term "Republican", despite being every bit as Federalist as the Democrats.

i'm surte by now you have TLDR'ed this commentary, and will simply post some trite slogan or one of your failed memes like: "the state exists to protect private property" despite the obvious fact that The State spends most of it's effort protecting The Commons, not private property.

who regulates fishing to protect the "commons" of fish population? The State.
who protects the "commons" of the public Parks from those who would log/mine/despoil them? The State.
who institutes regulations to protect the "commons" of the air , preventing trash burning or excessive sulphur dioxide? The State.
who regulates and secures the "commons" of navigable waterways? The State.
who regulates hunting of the "commons" of wild animals and fowl? The State.
who regulates and maintains the "commons" of the highways and roads? The State.
who regulates and manages the "commons" of public monuments, libraries, museums and schools? The State.

The State actually spends very little of it's effort protecting private property.

how does it feel to be so UTTERLY WRONG so UTTERLY CONSISTENTLY?
 
Your entire argument hinges around calling people who were not marxists marxists.

That is how I know that the Tldr you just spent an hour typing out is pure bs.
 
Buenaventura Durruti, George Orwell, Noam Chomsky, abandonconflict: all libertarian socialist (anarchist)

Kkkynes: authoritarian socialist (MARXIST)
 
Your entire argument hinges around calling people who were not marxists marxists.

That is how I know that the Tldr you just spent an hour typing out is pure bs.

cant dispute the arguments made?

make a specious assertion, and a snide implication.

ok i will no longer call you a Marxist.

you are now a Marxists. apparently the Plural changes everything, so thus you should be satisfied. yes?
 
Buenaventura Durruti, George Orwell, Noam Chomsky, abandonconflict: all libertarian socialist (anarchist)

Kkkynes: authoritarian socialist (MARXIST)

still looking for an actual elucidation of what a "Libertarian Socialist" might be...

other than, of course "it's not an oxymoron"

perhaps THIS essay accurately portrays what you have repeatedly refused to explain:

http://libcom.org/history/what-libertarian-socialism

would you say it is an accurate representation of your claimed ideology?
 
ok i will no longer call you a Marxist.

you are now a Marxists. apparently the Plural changes everything, so thus you should be satisfied. yes?

I had the same thing typed out and deleted it...your argument, didn't want to step on your line. Figured it was coming.
 
Ok

I was incorrect about POUM. I thought the M was for militia. The group that Orwell was with were Spanish anarchists but as a whole the POUM was composed of militias. Orwell fought alongside Marxists against Franco's fascists. In Homage to Catalonia he never claimed to be a marxist himself.

The claim that Orwell was a marxist is still completely false. Same goes for Durruti.
 
Wow, what an ass kickin'.

It's getting so embarrassing that I actually feel physical pain for AC. Citation after citation from Kynes followed by clever responses of "Nuh uh" and "you haven't read ..." which were immediately preceded by exerps from the works that were claimed to be unread.

You'd be better off posting "I smell burnt toast", faking an aneurism and fading into obscurity.

You're so far from fucked in this debate, you couldn't catch a train back to fucked.

so you're predicting a 10 point lead for kynes, like you did for romney?
 
Ok

I was incorrect about POUM. I thought the M was for militia. The group that Orwell was with were Spanish anarchists but as a whole the POUM was composed of militias. Orwell fought alongside Marxists against Franco's fascists. In Homage to Catalonia he never claimed to be a marxist himself.

The claim that Orwell was a marxist is still completely false. Same goes for Durruti.

a lot of people at that time rejected the term "Marxist" based on the Bolshevik stink the soviet revolution laid on the word.

i for one do not find the term pejorative, nor do i use it as such, i just disagree with the common assertion by Marxist adherents, and nearly every one of his ideological descendants, that Capitalism as a form is corrupt, nor do i believe it should be destroyed, but rather TEMPERED with careful application of many of the principles Marx espoused, principles which are now loaded up under the broad heading of Marxism.

Marx's failing, and the failing common to all those who accept his assumptions is that by some arcane method, human nature can be altered, and everybody will start caring about shit that does not belong to them, more than they care about THEIR stuff.

Fascism is likewise rejected for it's assumption that force and repression can make people start worrying more about the society than their own families.

Anarchism (the real type) is absolutely counter to every social form, and trying to milk "anarchy" for a bucket of liberty is as pointless as stabbing yourself in the nuts to ensure good health.

"anarcho-______ism" si simply a rebranding of all the same old tropes the left, marxists, maoists, trotskyites, communists, socialist, fascists and stalinists have been selling for a century in a fancy new package with Funky New Graphics, and a big label marked "New And Improved"

read the "Libertarian Socialist" essay above and tell me what you think. i actually want to know.
 
i for one do not find the term pejorative, nor do i use it as such,

Whether you find it pejorative or not isn't the point. The point is that you call so many people marxist when they weren't. I am well aware you don't mean it as an insult since you are a Marxist.
 
a lot of people at that time rejected the term "Marxist" -- read the "Libertarian Socialist" essay above and tell me what you think. i actually want to know.

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I wrote it on a chalkboard, then cried....you are obviously guilty..
 
Whether you find it pejorative or not isn't the point. The point is that you call so many people marxist when they weren't. I am well aware you don't mean it as an insult since you are a Marxist.

acutally i am a fervent Capitalist who accepts that limitless capitalism is exactly as dangerous to liberty as unbridled Marxism, Divine Right Monarchy, and rampant Theocracy.

i believe in the Republic. people looking out for their own best interests by looking out for the interests of the society as a whole, while trampling the individual's rights as little as possible.

which of course makes me a terrible "Republican Party" member, but a strong adherent to The Republic
 
acutally i am a fervent Capitalist who accepts that limitless capitalism is exactly as dangerous to liberty as unbridled Marxism, Divine Right Monarchy, and rampant Theocracy.

i believe in the Republic. people looking out for their own best interests by looking out for the interests of the society as a whole, while trampling the individual's rights as little as possible.

which of course makes me a terrible "Republican Party" member, but a strong adherent to The Republic

So you are both a statist and a socialist. Awesome.

Seriously though, do you always criticize philosophies, call the adherents of said philosophies something they aren't for months on end, and then ask said adherents to elucidate regarding said philosophies? Do you expect we'll be buddies now?

I never criticize something and then turn around and ask what the fuck it is.
 
So you are both a statist and a socialist. Awesome.

Seriously though, do you always criticize philosophies, call the adherents of said philosophies something they aren't for months on end, and then ask said adherents to elucidate regarding said philosophies? Do you expect we'll be buddies now?

I never criticize something and then turn around and ask what the fuck it is.

i, and everyone else who ever conversed with you has asked the same question: WHAT THE FUCK IS "LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM"

and nobody has received an answer, thus we must draw our own conclusions.

my conclusion: "Libertarian Socialism" is actually mostly Trotskyism blended with equal parts Fascism and Crazy.
 
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