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[cannabineer]

I too am a white moderate who leans libertarian.

There is nothing to indicate that Z picked a fight. He was acting in good faith in a neighborhood plagued by burglaries and other crimes. He saw a guy who looked like a burglar and called the cops. Z acted lawfully by calling the cops, by "profiling" TM as a burglar, and by following him. That guy, TM, who was probably not a burglar, apparently assaulted Z and was beating his head against the pavement. Z had a right to defend himself in that situation.

What would you do if you were the recipient of a ground and pound at the hands of a guy you think is a criminal? While he is beating your head against the pavement you have no way of knowing when, or if, he will stop the beating before your skull busts open like a melon.

Z might have done something to provoke TM, but there is nothing that indicates such. Even if Z did start the fight, he still had a right to use lethal force against TM if he "reasonably feared great bodily harm or death" at the hands of TM. That is black letter Florida law and, I think, it is black letter law in almost every state in the US.

I submit the singular contention that Z "stood his ground" in a briskly forward, confrontation-seeking manner. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

Martin could have easily went inside

martin had no obligation to go inside.

GZ-Who are you what are you doing back here?
TM-Um, who are you?
GZ- I am part of the neighborhood watch, and we have had a lot of burglaries here recently.
TM- Oh, I am staying with my dad and his fiancee and I'm on may way back from the store.
GZ- Ok, thanks for letting me know, just trying to keep the neighborhood safe.
TM- No problem, what's your name? I'm Trayvon.
GZ- I'm George Zimmerman, nice to meet you.

Confrontation avoided.

that never happened.

zimmerman had multiple occasions on which to identify himself. he didn't. first he gave martin the stink eye, then he followed him multiple times after martin ran.

martin tried his best to avoid a confrontation, zimmerman did everything he could to cause a confrontation, and not a civil one. fucking punks. assholes always get away.

Marks were consistent with blunt force trauma. (Already proven)

no they weren't.

no bruises, just a tiny, 2 cm scratch at worst. no broken nose, no deviated septum.

incredibly minor injuries that were nowhere near life threatening.

Yea, there is no possible way that the blood couldn't have been washed away. Did they happen to use luminol? Nope, they sure didn't.

the rain didn't wash away any of the other blood evidence.

So he was defenseless up until he reached his firearm and ended the assault.

nope.

he decided to exercise wrist control and he did. then he shot.

I guess it's just to bad that TM didn't grab the gun and shoot him instead. Lets even pretend that TM didn't get shot. He would be convicted of assault, or maybe even murder, cause you never know how long he would have kept slamming his head into the ground.

there is zero evidence whatsoever that zimmerman had his head slammed into the ground or sidewalk. none.

his scratch is consistent with getting nicked by a the tree.

 

[UncleBuck]

Martin runs from Z. Why?

i believe you said it was because he was the aggressor

still waiting on you to produce that quote that you said i made, smarty. produce the quote or lose all credibility.

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

Either way it will end up like this.

[video=youtube;infLrZjJpNc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=infLrZjJpNc[/video]

 

[BigNBushy]

A quick google image search reveals photos of Z with a clearly broken and bloody nose, and a fucked up back of head. Do you just make shit up?

 

[UncleBuck]

A quick google image search reveals photos of Z with a clearly broken and bloody nose, and a fucked up back of head. Do you just make shit up?

i'm just going by what his doctor said the next day when he walked in and asked for a note to go back to work.

no deviated septum, and two scratches on his head, the largest being less than 2 cm. this was already discussed in the opening statements.

i guess you odn't like paying attention or knowing what the fuck you are talking about.

don't blame your ignorance on me for being informed.

 

[echelon1k1]

listen to the race hustler go...

 

[UncleBuck]

listen to the race hustler go...

the only person that brought race into this was desert dude. before that, things were going swimmingly.

but thank you for yet another valuable contribution.

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

the only person that brought race into this was desert dude. before that, things were going swimmingly.

but thank you for yet another valuable contribution.

Desert was pointing out TM made a racist remark.
He wasn't inducing racism in to this thread.

You can cuss him out more if it makes you feel better.

 

[SirGreenThumb]

martin had no obligation to go inside.

But he could have. He also had no obligation to attack Zimmerman.

that never happened.

zimmerman had multiple occasions on which to identify himself. he didn't. first he gave martin the stink eye, then he followed him multiple times after martin ran.

martin tried his best to avoid a confrontation, zimmerman did everything he could to cause a confrontation, and not a civil one. fucking punks. assholes always get away.

I know it never happen, I was saying that is how it could have went down if Martin didn't attack him and there was an ounce of human decency in his body.

fucking punks. assholes always get away.

Yea, that was said. It was also said by the non emergency operator that he didn't feel that it was any cause for concern nor did it arise his "spidysense" that he meant it in an ill manner. (This was from your prosecutions side and their own witness, which also worked in Zimmermans favor may I add.)

no they weren't.

no bruises, just a tiny, 2 cm scratch at worst. no broken nose, no deviated septum.

incredibly minor injuries that were nowhere near life threatening.there is zero evidence whatsoever that zimmerman had his head slammed into the ground or sidewalk. none.

Go on and scan to the 5:00 min mark and there is your proof that it was cause by blunt force trauma.
[video=youtube;PpqGTkghVNI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpqGTkghVNI[/video]

nope.

he decided to exercise wrist control and he did. then he shot.

This is just ludicrous. How are you even coming up with this nonsense?

The fact still remains, no matter how you twist to work in your odd little world, self defense is evident and the prosecution has failed to show otherwise. There is no evidence that supports that Zimmerman attacked Martin first and that is what would need to be proven, and just because he called about suspicious black males doesn't prove ill will, nor does it show that it was racially motivated, simply because there is proof that the burglaries happened by no other than suspicious black males. Even the woman who is black might I add, said that Zimmerman seemed "meek" to her, and he was always respectful and offered him a position with the citizen police to which Zimmerman declined. Another witness for the prosecution that spoke highly of Zimmerman.

 

[UncleBuck]

But he could have. He also had no obligation to attack Zimmerman.

there is zero evidence that martin attacked zimmerman.*

martin ran, zimmerman followed. that suggests self defense, not attack.

I know it never happen

you sound like nontheist now. dumb as fuck.

I was saying that is how it could have went down if Martin didn't attack him and there was an ounce of human decency in his body.

again, you ASSUME that martin, who ran, attacked zimmerman, who followed that punk asshole who was always getting away.

ya know, zimmerman: the guy with the long history of violence and getting too involved.

you have no evidence of who attacked who, yet you assume it was the little black kid who ran away from the bigger grown man who followed. that makes less than zero sense. that assumption only makes sense if you assign blame based on skin color rather than size and mindset.*

Yea, that was said. It was also said by the non emergency operator that he didn't feel that it was any cause for concern nor did it arise his "spidysense" that he meant it in an ill manner. (This was from your prosecutions side and their own witness, which also worked in Zimmermans favor may I add.)

i almost feel certain that "fucking punks" and "these assholes always get away" will work in zimm's favor

my other suspicion is that these remarks show his ill will, especially compared to his earlier, calmer calls.

zimm was pissed that night, and was on a lot of drugs that cause those symptoms.

Go on and scan to the 5:00 min mark and there is your proof that it was cause by blunt force trauma.

admit it to evidence then.

the only evidence we have in this case shows a tiny scratch with no bruise or blunt force trauma. a 2 cm scratch.

i've cut myself worse while trimming. no broken nose either, according to zimm's own doctor.

This is just ludicrous. How are you even coming up with this nonsense?

i didn't say it, zimmerman did. zimm said that he was able to exercise full wrist control on martin while at his alleged worst.*

the fact that you doubt this is an illustration of what an uninformed, ignorant asshole you are.

ABORT your attempts here. you are ill informed and exposing your racist sentiments.

There is no evidence that supports that Zimmerman attacked Martin first

there is no evidence for the opposite, either. yet you ASSUME that is what happened.

that assumption runs contrary to the evidence of martin running and zimmerman following, to boot.

that assumption is a racist assumption. there is no other way to explain that assumption.

i will provide evidence of your racist assumption by citing the rest of what you say, all race based nonsense:

and that is what would need to be proven, and just because he called about suspicious black males doesn't prove ill will, nor does it show that it was racially motivated, simply because there is proof that the burglaries happened by no other than suspicious black males. Even the woman who is black might I add, said that Zimmerman seemed "meek" to her, and he was always respectful and offered him a position with the citizen police to which Zimmerman declined. Another witness for the prosecution that spoke highly of Zimmerman.

no one but you and the known racist desert dude are trying to bring race into this.

the fact here is that a grown man with a gun (who was acting agitated) followed an innocent kid who was running away. as neighborhood watch captain and a gun owner, zimm had a greater responsibility to not act so fucking creepy. his creepy actions ended up with him killing an innocent child based on injuries so minor that zimm himself laughed them off.

then zimm told multiple competing versions to the police, and almost all of those versions are demonstrable lies. why lie if you're innocent?

no one but you and fellow racist desert dude bring race into this. thanks for exposing to us why you care about this.

 

[althor]

A quick google image search reveals photos of Z with a clearly broken and bloody nose, and a fucked up back of head. Do you just make shit up?

Yep, this is what happens when you start a fight you cannot win.

He picked a fight, he lost the fight, he shot the person he started a fight with.

Zimmerman is a murderer and should spend plenty of time in jail. Open and shut case.

 

[echelon1k1]

no one but you and fellow racist desert dude bring race into this. thanks for exposing to us why you care about this

"If I had a son, he'd look like treyvon"

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

What's funny is how much racism Buck did invoke in the original Trayvon thread.

 

[desert dude]

I submit the singular contention that Z "stood his ground" in a briskly forward, confrontation-seeking manner. cn

Contention is a good word, CN. That's all it is, a contention, an assertion with no backing. Z should have taken his beating like a man, I guess.

 

[Orlandocb]

You "creepy ass crackers".

 

[Doer]

What's funny is how much racism Buck did invoke in the original Trayvon thread.

Well, I've been watching it on CourtTV (HLN) The big gal was very compelling. They will try again, today, to impeach her on some of the minor details that she changed from the deposition to the testimony. But, she is a feisty witness who calls out the Defense guy, by name. "I told you, already."

She doesn't watch any News-joke. Good girl. She lectured the Defense on the murder investigation, TV show "48 Hours."

"Yo suppose to call me!", she snipped. So cool. A true US citizen that does not give a damn about the insinuation of puppy love for Trevon." (I would guess, as a motive to lie)

"Do that seem like lots of text to you?" Then she rolls her eyes.

I'm in love. The delicious disrespect for all but the Judge is very refreshing.

 

[Orlandocb]

Well, I've been watching it on CourtTV (HLN) The big gal was very compelling. They will try again, today, to impeach her on some of the minor details that she changed from the deposition to the testimony. But, she is a feisty witness who calls out the Defense guy, by name. "I told you, already."

She doesn't watch any News-joke. Good girl. She lectured the Defense on the murder investigation, TV show "48 Hours."

"Yo suppose to call me!", she snipped. So cool. A true US citizen that does not give a damn about the insinuation of puppy love for Trevon." (I would guess, as a motive to lie)

"Do that seem like lots of text to you?" Then she rolls here eyes.

I'm in love. The delicious disrespect for all but the Judge is very refreshing.

I think she could be doing a whole lot better for her dear friend Treyvon. The jury may not share your opinion

 

[Doer]

Yeah, but neither of us are on the jury and I said nothing about her effect on the outcome, did I?

 

[Impman]

The 'star' witness has a good point. Why the hell didn't the cops call her? She was speaking with him right before the murder.Epic fail. Florida is fucked and so racist. I visit my grandma there from California. It is completely normal to see white guys driving around in trucks with giant rebel flags on the back. normal for Florida. there are white beaches and beaches where blacks go. the whole state is fucked