Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote

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MOSCOW (AP) — A bill that stigmatizes gay people and bans giving children any information about homosexuality won overwhelming approval Tuesday in Russia's lower house of parliament.
Hours before the State Duma passed the Kremlin-backed law in a 436-0 vote with one abstention, more than two dozen protesters were attacked by hundreds of anti-gay activists and then detained by police.
The bill banning the "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" still needs to be passed by the appointed upper house and signed into law by President Vladimir Putin, but neither step is in doubt.
The measure is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values instead of Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church see as corrupting Russian youth and contributing to the protests against Putin's rule.

The only parliament member to abstain Tuesday was Ilya Ponomaryov, who has supported anti-Putin protesters despite belonging to a pro-Kremlin party.

A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia's political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.
The State Duma passed another bill on Tuesday that makes offending religious feelings a crime punishable by up to three years in prison. The legislation, which passed 308-2, was introduced last year after three members of the Pussy Riot punk group were convicted of "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" for an impromptu anti-Putin protest inside Moscow's main cathedral and given two-year sentences.

Both bills drew condemnation from Amnesty International.

"They represent a sorry attempt by the government to bolster its popularity by pandering to the most reactionary elements of Russian society — at the expense of fundamental rights and the expression of individual identities," John Dalhuisen, the human rights group's Europe and Central Asia program director, said in a statement.
Before the anti-gay vote, rights activists attempted to hold a "kissing rally" outside the State Duma, located across the street from Red Square in central Moscow, but they were attacked by hundreds of Orthodox Christian activists and members of pro-Kremlin youth groups. The mostly burly young men with closely cropped hair pelted the activists with eggs, shouting obscenities and homophobic slurs at them.

Riot police moved in, detaining more than two dozen protesters, almost all of them gay rights activists. Some who were not detained were beaten by masked men on another central street.

The legislation will impose hefty fines for providing information about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community to minors or holding gay pride rallies. Those breaking the law will be fined up to 5,000 rubles ($156) for an individual and up to 1 million rubles ($31,000) for a company, including media organizations.
Foreign citizens arrested under the new law can be deported or jailed for up to 15 days and then deported. European gay rights activists have joined Russians in trying to hold gay pride rallies in Moscow in recent years.

Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, but anti-gay sentiment remains high. Russia also is considering banning citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage from adopting Russian children.

Earlier Tuesday, dozens of anti-gay activists picketed the Duma. One of them held a poster that read: "Lawmakers, protect the people from perverts!" while others held Orthodox icons and chanted prayers.

Russian and foreign rights activists have decried the bill as violating basic rights.

"Russia is trying very hard to make discrimination look respectable by calling it 'tradition,' but whatever term is used in the bill, it remains discrimination and a violation of the basic human rights of LGBT people," Graeme Reid, the LGBT rights program director at Human Rights Watch, said Tuesday in a statement.
Lyudmila Alexeyeva, one of Russia's oldest and most prominent rights activists, called the law "a step toward the Middle Ages."
"In normal countries, no one persecutes representatives of sexual minorities," Alexeyeva told the Interfax news agency. "A modern person knows that these people are different from the rest just like a brunette is different from a blonde. They are not guilty of anything."
Russian officials have rejected the criticism. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov defended the bill in February, saying that Russia doesn't have any international or European commitment to "allow the propaganda of homosexuality."


An executive with a Russian government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm or organs for transplants, and after their deaths their hearts should be burned or buried.

The bill's adoption comes 20 years after a Stalinist-era law punishing homosexuality with up to five years in prison was removed from Russia's penal code as part of democratic reforms that followed the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers-pass-anti-gay-bill-436-0-164959267.html
 

colonuggs

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We refuse to allow the possibility in our land that gays even live here.....:clap:

Why isn't being a different color or religion against the law in Russia...wait mabey it is


Over the past decade, the Kremlin has exploited legitimate security concerns about violent religious extremism by restricting the rights of nonviolent religious minority members. Its major tool is an extremism law. Enacted in 2002, the law imposes sanctions on religious extremism, which it defines as promoting the "exclusivity, superiority, or inferiority of citizens" based on religion. The law now applies to peaceful actors and actions. In addition, individuals who defend or sympathize openly with those charged also may face charges.

Once a higher court upholds a prior ruling that religious material is "extremist," the material is banned, with convicted individuals facing penalties ranging from a fine to five years in prison. As of June, the government has banned 1,254 items, according to the Sova Center, a Russian nongovernmental organization.

Russian citizens who preach that their particular faith is superior to others are potentially liable to prosecution. As written, this dangerously broad law can easily entrap peaceful members of religious groups, including those among the country's Muslims, who number from 16 million to 20 million, simply for alleging the truth or superiority of their beliefs.
These concerns are not merely hypothetical.

When a court in 2007 banned Russian translations of 14 Koranic commentaries by Turkish theologian Said Nursi, security wasn't the issue. It was Nursi's assertion of Islam's "exclusivity." Fifteen Nursi readers have stood trial on extremist charges related to banned materials, and five have served the maximum three-year prison terms, Forum 18 news service reported. Six known Nursi readers are being investigated on these charges, including Ramil Latipov. In a chilling throwback to the Soviet era, authorities want Amir Abuyev, a Nursi reader in Kaliningrad, to undergo a psychiatric evaluation.

The bans on Nursi texts are among a series of sweeping prohibitions of Islamic materials under Russia's extremism law. Responding on June 18 to an Orenburg court's earlier banning of 65 Muslim texts issued by "literally all Islamic publishers in Russia," the Council of Muftis protested that this constituted the "revival of total ideological control … and is unacceptable in a democratic society."

While most banned religious material is Islamic, Russia also has used the extremism law to target non-Muslim groups.
Prominent among these groups is the pacifist Jehovah's Witnesses. Four are on trial: Yelena Grigoryeva, Maxim Kalinin and married couple Andrei and Lyutsiya Raitin. In 2009, a city court in the Altai republic ruled 16 Jehovah's Witness publications extremist. On May 4, authorities conducted at least 16 raids in the Orenburg region on Jehovah's Witness homes and places of worship, including a 15-hour raid on an elderly couple's home.

The same holds true for the Church of Scientology. In August 2011, a Tatarstan city court ruled 13 Scientology items extremist. As of April 2012, a St. Petersburg prosecutor has targeted a film on psychiatric abuse by the Scientology-funded Citizens Commission on Human Rights. In May, seven Scientology materials were added to the Federal List of Extremist Materials.

For a year, Russia's relations with India had worsened until a higher court overturned a ruling in Tomsk which had banned a Hare Krishna version of Hinduism's holy book, the Bhagavad Gita.
Simply stated, security concerns aren't the sole driver of Russia's religious freedom abuses. All too often, security is a pretext for unacceptable religious repression. Authorities view certain groups, particularly those seeking converts, as threats to the country's religious and cultural identity as embodied in the Russian Orthodox Church's Moscow Patriarchate. A case in point is the prosecution of human rights defender Maxim Yefimov in the Karelia region after he criticized the church on his blog in December 2011.

Both the extremism law and its application flatly violate Russia's international human rights commitments, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. In 2009, the United Nations Human Rights Committee, which oversees compliance with the covenant, recommended that Russia's extremism law limit its definition of extremism to threats or acts of violence. In June, the Council of Europe's Venice Commission also called for reform of this law, noting that its definitions of extremism are overly broad, lack clarity, invite arbitrary application and violate international human rights standards.

How should the United States respond to Russia's violations of religious freedom and related human rights abuses?
The U.S. Congress must maintain the Jackson-Vanik sanctions until the proposed Magnitsky Act becomes law. This bill would impose U.S. visa bans on and freeze bank assets of publicly named Russian officials, including Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, who are implicated in abusing human rights and religious freedom. The U.S. government should also implement the Smith amendment, which would bar assistance to Russia's government because of its treatment of nonviolent religious minority groups, and urge Russia to reform its extremism law so it ceases to apply to peaceful groups and individuals.

Before Russia enters the World Trade Organization, the United States needs to impress upon the Kremlin — and the world — that human rights and religious freedom matter.
Katrina Lantos Swett chairs the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. Robert George is a commissioner on the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom.




Read more: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/russias-failure-to-protect-freedom-of-religion/462957.html#ixzz2Vwqjv3r0
The Moscow Times
 

Ninjabowler

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I would love to have seen a gay terror attack on moscow after that with big pink glitter fountains spraying everywhere. That would rock ;)
 

BigNBushy

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American's are so spoiled. Our sexual minorities are worried about marriage, in the rest of the world existence is the primary concern.
 

UncleBuck

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American's are so spoiled. Our sexual minorities are worried about marriage, in the rest of the world existence is the primary concern.
why the apostrophe in "americans"?

and 'sexual minorities'? wtf?

i really doubt you were an aspiring lawyer, those kinds of people tend to not make so many mammoth spelling errors.
 

BigNBushy

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why the apostrophe in "americans"?

and 'sexual minorities'? wtf?

i really doubt you were an aspiring lawyer, those kinds of people tend to not make so many mammoth spelling errors.
Small minds focus on grammar and syntax. Great minds focus on ideas.

There is no such thing as good legal writting, only good legal rewritting. Therefore, when something gets but one draft, such as an internet post, I make as many errors as the next man.
 

UncleBuck

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Small minds focus on grammar and syntax. Great minds focus on ideas.

There is no such thing as good legal writting, only good legal rewritting. Therefore, when something gets but one draft, such as an internet post, I make as many errors as the next man.
ya know who else focuses on grammar and syntax? people who review resumes of paralegals and lawyers.

the word you are looking for is writing, by the way.
 

BigNBushy

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If I were to apply for a position as an attorney, I would not submit a resume; I would submit a curriculum vitae. Get your terminology right, simpleton.
 

BustinScales510

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American's are so spoiled. Our sexual minorities are worried about marriage, in the rest of the world existence is the primary concern.
This is retarded logic,it is without meaning because you can apply it to anything. We shouldnt care about (X) because in other countries they have (< X)

And it is not the rest of the world, when you look at other developed nations concerning gay rights America is fairly average.
 

UncleBuck

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This is retarded logic,it is without meaning because you can apply it to anything. We shouldnt care about (X) because in other countries they have (< X)

And it is not the rest of the world, when you look at other developed nations concerning gay rights America is fairly average.
but, but, but...

he's an aspiring lawyer. or was.
 

BigNBushy

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This is retarded logic,it is without meaning because you can apply it to anything. We shouldnt care about (X) because in other countries they have (< X)

And it is not the rest of the world, when you look at other developed nations concerning gay rights America is fairly average.
I see no logic in my post. Only an observation... If I had said what I said, and went on to say... "so you fags need to be happy you can at least breath here" then there would have been some logic, although rather illogical logic.

Im all for gay rights, not because I have any great love for homosexuality, but because I don't like a government powerful enough to tell people what they CANT do, so long as no one is being harmed.
 

UncleBuck

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I see no logic in my post. Only an observation... If I had said what I said, and went on to say... "so you fags need to be happy you can at least breath here" then there would have been some logic, although rather illogical logic.

Im all for gay rights, not because I have any great love for homosexuality, but because I don't like a government powerful enough to tell people what they CANT do, so long as no one is being harmed.
did you ever resort to sucking dick for heroin?
 

BigNBushy

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did you ever resort to sucking dick for heroin?
I love how you were just bitching in another thread about being attacked in an imature/childish way.

You, more than any other internet troll I have encountered results to the ad hominim attack. You usually contribute little or nothing the the discourse. Sure, you are probably a better speller than I am. Congratulations. What does that pay? I've nothing to prove to you or anyone here. I have submitted 30,000 word documents with neither spelling nor grammar errors, properly formated and cited. I have recieved an A from one of the justices of my states supreme court for oral argument.

I come here to read, learn, and maybe drop my .02 off. Not to impress you.

By the way, male heroin addicts usually don't resort to dick sucking to maintain their habbit. Thats pretty much just crack. I would have ate some pussy for heroin, but I would have done it for free. If you'd suck dick for heroin, you'd suck dick anyway.
 

BustinScales510

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I see no logic in my post. Only an observation... If I had said what I said, and went on to say... "so you fags need to be happy you can at least breath here" then there would have been some logic, although rather illogical logic.

Im all for gay rights, not because I have any great love for homosexuality, but because I don't like a government powerful enough to tell people what they CANT do, so long as no one is being harmed.
Ok cool,thanks for clearing it up..just wanted to make sure that you were aware of how stupid you sound when you write.
 

GreenSummit

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love all the fighting. . .not. . Russia is wrong. Dead wrong. What's there to even argue about? Seems like some people need to get a little more of a life and not troll so much.
 

Doer

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We refuse to allow the possibility in our land that gays even live here.....:clap:

Why isn't being a different color or religion against the law in Russia...wait mabey it is
Yeah, I've been quite a few times. St Petersberg has many gays but, more underground now, I bet. Yet, they grabbed some interesting personal freedoms after the old soviet fell.

Open container in public, drunkish in public, 14 and drunk... That kid started shouting at me when I kicked the soda can he'd tossed into the center of my step. Bars don't close.
Death sentence for manslaughter, drunk driver. Drunk is .05.

Hey!! Its Russia! They all say this. Better Red. In the Summer there is the midnight Sun, people don't sleep officially for days and things go wild of a sexual nature. Pete'burg is like Prague. All the gorgeous milk maids from the farmlands come in to get some.

Funny that Iran has no gays at all. It is death to think so. Yet, as kids and teens, they don't hang out with girls. Death to look at a girl.

They just learn how to leave their little brother's behind. Butt that's not gay. It's death to say so. It's in the Koran.
 
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