thanks guys. well i have 5 snowryders and that's the first one to looks male. they are still quite small goin on 3 weeks Sunday . I have 3 female lowryder 2 under a 400 watt hps at day 60 today 1 looking all milky but very little amber and the other 2 look about a week behind. (under 60-100 mag loupe)i started the LR's under the same light /conditions in the fridge but these snowryders seem like slowryders . ffof+ lw and ff trio +beastie bloom towards end. ill put up a pic of my LR's if anybody is interested in some bud porn of sorts.