UncleBuck
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i was pretty sure that the cold temps explained what i am also seeing right now, more purple in the stems and just a different look overall than the summer.
i also go little P, in more ways than one.
five star thread.
growing in straw!ftw?
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i also go little P, in more ways than one.
five star thread.
polyarcturus
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new experiment idea, growing in crushed coral? hmm?
Cann
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LMAO purple stems are fine - everyone stop tripping. 100% natural.
anyway, lookin good dude, when I was talking about enzyme teas with seed sprouts I didnt mean cannabis sprouts, i meant other seeds. for example: red clover, alfalfa, barley, etc. sprout these seeds and once the tap root is 1/2 inch long, fill the jar with h2o and wait 36-48 hrs. dilute and apply as a foliar/soil drench. I can give you the exact ratios if you want but I have to look them up. basically, the seed is full of enzymes and PGRs which promote growth to the fullest extent. A seed has all the nutrients it needs to survive, so in essence you are stealing these nutrients/enzymes and giving them to your plants instead. either way your ladies are lookin happy. I would avoid synthetics at all costs cause it'll kill your microlife - but thats just my 2cents.
anyway, lookin good dude, when I was talking about enzyme teas with seed sprouts I didnt mean cannabis sprouts, i meant other seeds. for example: red clover, alfalfa, barley, etc. sprout these seeds and once the tap root is 1/2 inch long, fill the jar with h2o and wait 36-48 hrs. dilute and apply as a foliar/soil drench. I can give you the exact ratios if you want but I have to look them up. basically, the seed is full of enzymes and PGRs which promote growth to the fullest extent. A seed has all the nutrients it needs to survive, so in essence you are stealing these nutrients/enzymes and giving them to your plants instead. either way your ladies are lookin happy. I would avoid synthetics at all costs cause it'll kill your microlife - but thats just my 2cents.
polyarcturus
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thats a fucking great IDEA! hmm surprised i never though about that or i did and never brought it to fruitition.. hmm h202 is a good choice for a solven since it will breakdown into water, i think i may attempt this but with alchohol, i have made many essential oils for foliar but this seem very interesting of idea. because incarcerate seed and at certain points will be producing optimal amounts of hormones that could be collected and differentiated.
hmm as far sythetics go... well im not gonna get into it. im not sure which direction i want to go with my nutritioun(cause im trying to make that decision in the next few weeks) ive always used both in combination with amazing results because i inoculate weekly my myco and microbes are very strong. see?
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/610754-brandx-2.html#post8549978
hmm as far sythetics go... well im not gonna get into it. im not sure which direction i want to go with my nutritioun(cause im trying to make that decision in the next few weeks) ive always used both in combination with amazing results because i inoculate weekly my myco and microbes are very strong. see?
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/610754-brandx-2.html#post8549978
POH Organics
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Hydrogen Peroxide, you're joking right?
You use synthetics with your organic garden because your microbes are "very strong"?
I don't really know what to say..
polyarcturus
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grrrrr.... h2o2 as a solvent and allowed to sit and turn to water containing pgrs very safe wont hurt anything, organic and on top of that sterile.
my synthetics at the moment as i refer to them are organically derived, they have nothing to with the microbes as in it wont hurt anything as long as you dont over do it, or use synthetic containing sodium based fertilizers which i avoid like the plague for the most part if im combining the 2 styles of growing.
you dont need to say nothing if its not positive, cause its not your garden.
polyarcturus
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there is some pics from yesterday a page or 2 back and i got roots coming out the bottom of the one in veg(100% straw) ill get a pic up tonight.Any updates on the lady poly? cancelled all my soil orders and replaced with the best sraw on the market
POH Organics
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You're right, manufacturers put everything on the label.
Thank God it's not my garden
polyarcturus
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flowering plant is doing well. very well in fact
after the compost tea drys up in the tray with the 100% straw one(this one is 90% has a soil center)ill get a pic of the roots. if this plant does very well i may consider continuing to experiment flowering plants in straw with a soil center.
tspimpin1118
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reminds me of RR growing some cubes on bud before... it made me want to cry and the time... still does...
anyway I am curious about the whole growing in colonized substrate idea, it seems that this wouln't be very good because the mycelium and the plant are competing for the same resources... assuming this is indoor of course... and unlike mycorrhizal fungi the relationship between say oyster mushrooms and cannabis isn't directly symbiotic and really would only function in a natural ecosystem in decomposition... I have heard people say that mushroom compost isn't really that great for cannabis because the nutrients are already consumed ... even if the mushroom compost is nutritious it would seem that it would be better to do the process separately.
If anything I think straw is really just good for providing aeration ... another thing mycelium breathes o2 and exhales co2 so it would seem that unless you were using smart pots or something that the mycelium would also be competing with the roots for o2 ... but if it was done separately but in the same space like if you used you oyster bag and hung it in your grow room then the co2 it being taken in by the plant ant o2 by the mycelium
anyway I just sorta take things Ive heard or observed and make speculations and hypothesis and such so really everything I say should be taken as half statement half question..
happy growing- TopSoil
anyway I am curious about the whole growing in colonized substrate idea, it seems that this wouln't be very good because the mycelium and the plant are competing for the same resources... assuming this is indoor of course... and unlike mycorrhizal fungi the relationship between say oyster mushrooms and cannabis isn't directly symbiotic and really would only function in a natural ecosystem in decomposition... I have heard people say that mushroom compost isn't really that great for cannabis because the nutrients are already consumed ... even if the mushroom compost is nutritious it would seem that it would be better to do the process separately.
If anything I think straw is really just good for providing aeration ... another thing mycelium breathes o2 and exhales co2 so it would seem that unless you were using smart pots or something that the mycelium would also be competing with the roots for o2 ... but if it was done separately but in the same space like if you used you oyster bag and hung it in your grow room then the co2 it being taken in by the plant ant o2 by the mycelium
anyway I just sorta take things Ive heard or observed and make speculations and hypothesis and such so really everything I say should be taken as half statement half question..
happy growing- TopSoil
polyarcturus
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hmm, to understand mushrooms its goes a lot deeper than just nutrition. mushrooms for the most part will leave a very nutritious compost, competition for nutrients are not relevant because they do not compete for the same nutrients as you would imply, yes they use similar nutrients, but fungi are decomposers, they must chemically process thier food, the plant would steal the mushroom nutes if anything, but also would proved food at the same time too.symbiosis man.
http://www.mushroomcompost.org/faqs.htmi use grow bags so my mycelium is getting plenty of FAE even so in a pot you can only pack straw so tightly, so there is tons of FAE. splenty of conversion of co2 to to 02 for the roots. which is not something i have really though about.
i wonder on the micro environment level, what the percentage of o2 in the straw is.
its good to play devils advocate, but when its what the threads about, colonized substrate planting was an after thought, to just growing in straw, which is the main subject, which thus far has been pretty good.i am considering adding a hefty amount to my soil mixes.
tspimpin1118
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...Um first off I do have a fairly good understanding of fungi and I have grown mushrooms in the past and done lots of research... Much of what I brought up goes beyond nutrition, and I'm not sure what you mean by "splenty of conversion of co2 to to O2 for the roots." but roots need O2 and so does mycelium .. and you say you grow in grow bags with plenty of FAE but I'm sure even your bags take longer to fully colonize the center.. because of less o2... and really mushroom compost is just good organic material ... not a whole lot of nutrient value..in an outdoor bed I could see mushrooms being incorporated but your right fungi decompose the substrate... if you have ever had bulk sub colonize you can watch it shrink as it becomes a cake...which can be very compact.. and if it doesn't disturb your roots will definitely cause your medium to shrink in your container..
As I transition into discussing straw only I want to say a few last things things.. I think that mycorrhizae are really the only fungi that will provide a real positive impact on an indoor plant (in the same container, like I mentioned in my previous post I'm all for using fungi to make compost I do this in my bokashi/wormbin but its better to be done separate... if you are going to do it in the same container I might suggest doing a soil mix that perhaps has rice hulls and straw in it and then having a straw layer for mulch infact that was my transition into what I think you should do even if you weren't incorporating mushrooms .... you could also do a WC/straw mix ..... but also I think that an all straw or amended straw mix could work well in a SIP....
anyway sorry to get defensive but I don't think you were understanding my concerns and I really don't mean it in a disrespectful way, it can be hard to gauge tone on the internet.. I really apriciate you sharing your experiments with us as I too like to test all sorts of crazy hypotheses I come up with so keep up the good work and happy growing -TopSoil
polyarcturus
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ill get back to you but i have some answers and comments that are just too complicated for just getting off work. but i would like to say rice hulls is one of my next moves to test with, and yes i totaly agree straw on its own isnt the media of choice, it would be better mixed in.
i just wanted to let you know, cause you seem to think the thread/experiment is about the colonized pottered plant, but its not, that was just a side thought, ideally the only fungi that is supposed to be in there is whats in Great white shark, but thats the one in veg in 100% straw. i want to agree with you, in saying yes mushroom compost is not ideal, but i think i will learn more if i continue to disagree with you abd be optimistic and look for answers to the good questions and points you make.
side note:
about what you said about the center root not being able to form properly the colonized potted plant has a soil core, it started in a 4x4" pot with soil.
i just wanted to let you know, cause you seem to think the thread/experiment is about the colonized pottered plant, but its not, that was just a side thought, ideally the only fungi that is supposed to be in there is whats in Great white shark, but thats the one in veg in 100% straw. i want to agree with you, in saying yes mushroom compost is not ideal, but i think i will learn more if i continue to disagree with you abd be optimistic and look for answers to the good questions and points you make.
side note:
about what you said about the center root not being able to form properly the colonized potted plant has a soil core, it started in a 4x4" pot with soil.
tspimpin1118
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I think there is something that's not connecting.. I think it might be because I'm a bad writer but I was referring to the center colonizing with mycelium just growing mushroom ... only making a point ...
I realize that the thread is about growing in straw and the mushrooms were a side note... It's not like I was talking about baseball or a new movie and throwing the thread off and by saying things like this and making me have to even refer back to them in the post is causing things to go off track even more..
In face I'm going to do an all straw SIP grow with a clone and/or possible a slightly amended straw substrate...maybe WC's ... I might even try a grass clipping perlite mix in a solo cup or something... anyway I 'll set up a test that does not involve mushrooms in any way...except mycorrihzae ...
anyway lets just end the back and forth and let the thread have its life back... Ill post any interesting finding but I might just post a grow journal...
Happy growing-TopSoil
I realize that the thread is about growing in straw and the mushrooms were a side note... It's not like I was talking about baseball or a new movie and throwing the thread off and by saying things like this and making me have to even refer back to them in the post is causing things to go off track even more..
In face I'm going to do an all straw SIP grow with a clone and/or possible a slightly amended straw substrate...maybe WC's ... I might even try a grass clipping perlite mix in a solo cup or something... anyway I 'll set up a test that does not involve mushrooms in any way...except mycorrihzae ...
anyway lets just end the back and forth and let the thread have its life back... Ill post any interesting finding but I might just post a grow journal...
Happy growing-TopSoil
polyarcturus
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its all good man and i just really got to reading what you said, i agree, just did the mushroom thing for fun, yeah i am mostly focused on mychorrazae and such in my straw substrate just recording all my results for everyone to see.
so far good results without the amendments. cant wait to see some of your experiments man, straw could be an economical and awesome way of the future.
BTW, what is SIP? im running 100% straw in flood and drain and the soil center straw in NFT. but so far the soil center in straw method seems to work the best im considering a try alongside the 100% straw in the flood and drain setup as well.
polyarcturus
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your fucking lame dude.
for real tho, hows life with my nuts in your mouth?
for real tho, hows life with my nuts in your mouth?
Figong
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Close, but no... SIP is sub-irrigated planter, refers to any plant that's watered from the bottom - effectively allowing the water to soak upwards toward the plant, capillary action-style.
Not so great, I've done it.
I did it with screenings of oolitic limestone (ancient coral beds). Didn't hurt anything, but the drainage sucked. That was the drawback.
I did add it to all my mixes and it was great stuff, cheap (~$25/dump truck load), and plentiful since it's about all that SoFl sits on. It's almost pure Ca.
Wet
polyarcturus
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thanks for the DL wet. as always glad to see you.