The Tin Foil Hat Meeting down at the docks

ChesusRice

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You mean the Feds don't own the Fed? :shock: lol you think they'd have taught us that in school?
Did you know the Federal Reserve charges interest on money to the Feds?
And that at the end of the year that money is turned over to the treasury department?

Did you know the Federal Reserve is Audited yearly?
 

MellowFarmer

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i still need to check out those links but chesus i can ask you what all the recent rucus to audit the Fed is about then?
 

ChesusRice

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i still need to check out those links but chesus i can ask you what all the recent rucus to audit the Fed is about then?
The "audit the fed" movement
is about trying to cripple the FED and the result of that would be catastrophic on our economy and the worlds economy
 

newworldicon

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The "audit the fed" movement
is about trying to cripple the FED and the result of that would be catastrophic on our economy and the worlds economy
Another perspective is that it would cripple the elite who control the fed and release the masses of it's burden. Yes things may be tough at first but it is our reliance on the fed that makes you think it would be so crippling. Check out the British constitution Group and the lawful bank for alternative plans to elitist banks and their nothing money..So in summary there are many intelligent human beings who have created worthy contingency plans as opposed to stareing at the headlights like rabbits.
 

ChesusRice

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I laughed so hard I puked up my water when I read this
http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bst_fedfinancials.htm

[h=1]Credit and Liquidity Programs and the Balance Sheet[/h]





[h=2]Federal Reserve System Financial Reports[/h] The Board of Governors and the Federal Reserve Banks annually prepare and release audited financial statements reflecting balances (as of December 31) and income and expenses for the year then ended. The Federal Reserve Bank financial statements also include the accounts and results of operations of several limited liability companies (LLCs) that have been consolidated with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (the "consolidated LLCs").
The Board also prepares quarterly financial reports that present summary financial information on the combined financial position and results of operations of the Reserve Banks. The combined information includes the accounts and results of operations of each of the 12 Reserve Banks and several consolidated variable interest entities. All financial information included in the quarterly financial report is unaudited.




[h=2]Federal Reserve System Audited Annual Financial Statements[/h]
[h=4]More Information[/h]


The Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve Banks, and the consolidated LLCs are all subject to several levels of audit and review. The Reserve Banks' financial statements and those of the consolidated LLC entities are audited annually by an independent audit firm retained by the Board of Governors. To ensure auditor independence, the Board requires that the external auditor be independent in all matters relating to the audit. Specifically, the external auditor may not perform services for the Reserve Banks or others that would place it in a position of auditing its own work, making management decisions on behalf of the Reserve Banks, or in any other way impairing its audit independence. In addition, the Reserve Banks, including the consolidated LLCs, are subject to oversight by the Board.
The Board of Governors' financial statements are audited annually by an independent audit firm retained by the Board's Office of Inspector General. The audit firm also provides a report on compliance and on internal control over financial reporting in accordance with government auditing standards. The Office of Inspector General also conducts audits, reviews, and investigations relating to the Board's programs and operations as well as of Board functions delegated to the Reserve Banks.

Audited Annual Financial Statements of the Federal Reserve System
(annual statements as of and for the years ended December 31, 2011, and 2010)
Combined Federal Reserve Banks
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago
Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland
Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas
Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
LLCs Consolidated by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

  • Maiden Lane LLC
  • Maiden Lane II LLC
  • Maiden Lane III LLC
  • TALF LLC

Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia
Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond
Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis
Board of Governors
View archive of annual audited financial statements
The financial statements of the Board of Governors and the consolidated LLCs are prepared in accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States ("GAAP"); those of the Federal Reserve Banks are prepared in accordance with the Financial Accounting Manual for Federal Reserve Banks ("Financial Accounting Manual"). Accounting principles for entities with the unique powers and responsibilities of the nation's central bank have not been formulated by accounting standard-setting bodies. The Board of Governors has developed specialized accounting principles and practices that it considers to be appropriate for the nature and function of a central bank. These accounting principles and practices are documented in the Financial Accounting Manual.
The primary difference between the accounting principles and practices in the Financial Accounting Manual and GAAP is the presentation of all System Open Market Account (SOMA) securities holdings at amortized cost rather than the fair value presentation required by GAAP. Treasury securities, government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) debt securities, Federal agency and GSE mortgage-backed securities, and investments denominated in foreign currencies comprising the SOMA are recorded at cost on a settlement-date basis rather than the trade-date basis required by GAAP. The cost basis of Treasury securities, GSE debt securities, and foreign government debt instruments is adjusted for amortization of premiums or accretion of discounts on a straight-line basis. Amortized cost more appropriately reflects the Reserve Banks' securities holdings given the System's unique responsibility to conduct monetary policy. Accounting for these securities on a settlement-date basis more appropriately reflects the timing of the transactions' effects on the quantity of reserves in the banking system. Although the application of fair value measurements to the securities holdings may result in values substantially above or below their carrying values, these unrealized changes in value have no direct effect on the quantity of reserves available to the banking system or on the prospects for future Reserve Bank earnings or capital. Both the domestic and foreign components of the SOMA portfolio may involve transactions that result in gains or losses when holdings are sold prior to maturity. Decisions regarding securities and foreign currency transactions, including their purchase and sale, are motivated by monetary policy objectives rather than profit. Accordingly, fair values, earnings, and gains or losses resulting from the sale of such securities and currencies are incidental to the open market operations and do not motivate decisions related to policy or open market activities.
In addition, the Reserve Banks do not present a Statement of Cash Flows because the liquidity and cash positions of the Reserve Banks are not a primary concern given the Reserve Banks' unique powers and responsibilities. Other information regarding the Reserve Banks' activities is provided in, or may be derived from, the Combined Statements of Condition, Income and Comprehensive Income, and Changes in Capital.
Financial Accounting Manual for Federal Reserve Banks (PDF)
 

ChesusRice

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[h=4]A Brief History of Federal Reserve Audits[/h]
Since its inception in 1913 the Federal Reserve System has been subjected to a variety of financial and performance audits by Congress, the executive branch, and private accounting firms, although responsibility for this task has shifted from time to time. From 1913 to 1921 the Board of Governors, then known as the Federal Reserve Board which sets monetary policy and regulates the activities of the Federal Reserve Banks, was audited annually by the U.S. Treasury Department. In 1921 Congress created the Government Accounting Office (GAO) and assigned it to audit the Board until 1933. In the Banking Act of 1933, Congress voted specifically to remove the Board from the GAO's jurisdiction. From 1933 to 1952 audit teams from the twelve Federal Reserve Banks performed the annual examination of the BOG's books. From 1952 to 1978, the Board, under authorization from Congress, decided to employ nationally recognize accounting firms to conduct the audits of itself to insure independent oversight. This provided an external evaluation of the adequacy and effectiveness of the examination procedures.[SUP]1[/SUP]
In 1978 Congress passed the Federal Banking Agency Audit Act (31 USCA §714). It placed the Federal Reserve System back under the auditing authority of the GAO. The Act significantly increased the access of the GAO to the Federal Reserve Banks, the Board, and the Federal Open Market Committee (the FOMC). Since then, the GAO has conducted over 100 financial audits and performance audits of the three Federal Reserve bodies.[SUP]3[/SUP] [h=4]Scope of GAO Audits[/h]
Some of the more important GAO performance audits of the Fed have been in the areas of bank supervision, payment systems activities, and government securities activities. In the first area, the GAO examined how well the Fed was enforcing its regulatory powers over its member banks. In 1992 it drew attention to the Fed's sluggish compliance with regulatory reforms mandated by the Foreign Bank Supervision Act of 1991. In examining the Fed's payment system activities, the GAO made the Fed aware of how its pricing policies for such services as check-clearing affected private suppliers of check-clearing services, and also suggested ways to speed up the process of check collections. Security markets for government debt is a crucial market, and GAO performance audits of the Fed have lead to more openness in the primary dealer system, particularly concerning the disclosure of price information. The GAO is also involved in several ongoing performance audits of the Fed such as analysis of risks and benefits of interstate banking, regulation of derivatives, and the budget of the Federal Reserve system.[SUP]2[/SUP] [h=4]Audits By Private Accounting Firms[/h]
Financial audits of the Fed are also conducted regularly. Each Reserve Bank is audited every year by independent General Auditors who report directly to the Board of Governors. These examinations involve financial statement audits and reviews on the effectiveness of financial controls. Each Reserve Bank also has its own internal audit mechanisms. The Board contracts each year with an outside accounting firm to evaluate the audit program's effectiveness. Price Waterhouse conducted an audit of the Board's 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, and 1998 financial statements and filed this report in the Board's 1996 Annual Report (nearly identical ones appear in other Annual Reports):
We have audited the accompanying balance sheets of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (the Board) as of December 31, 1995 and 1994, and the related statements of revenues and expenses for the years then ended. These financial statements are the responsibility of the Board's management. Our responsibility is to express an opinion on these financial statements based on our audits.
We conducted our audits in accordance with generally accepted accounting standards and Government Accounting Standards issued by the Comptroller General of the United States. Those standards require that we plan and perform the audits to obtain reasonable assurance about whether the financial statements are free of material misstatement. An audit includes examining, on a test basis, evidence supporting the amounts and disclosures in the financial statements. An audit also includes assessing the accounting principles used and significant estmates made by management, as well as evaluating the overall financial statement presentation. We believe that our audits provide a reasonable basis for our opinion.
In our opinion the financial statements referred to above present fairly, in all material respects, the financial position of the Board as of December 31, 1995 and 1994, and the results of its operations and its cash flows for the years then ended in conformity with generally accepted accounting principles. As discussed in Notes 1 and 3 to the financial statements, the Board implemented Statement of Financial Accounting Standards No. 112, Employers' Accounting for Postemployment Benefits, effective January 1, 1994. In accordance with Government Accounting Standards, we have also issued a report dated March 25, 1996 on our consideration of the Board's internal control structure and a report dated March 25, 1996 on its compliance with laws and regulations.[SUP]4[/SUP]
The Board has also contracted with Coopers & Lybrand to conduct annual financial audits of the Board and the individual Federal Reserve Banks.
Exemptions to the Scope of GAO Audits The Government Accounting Office does not have complete access to all aspects of the Federal Reserve System. The law excludes the following areas from GAO inspections (31 USCA §714):
(1) transactions for or with a foreign central bank, government of a foreign country, or nonprivate international financing organization;
(2) deliberations, decisions, or actions on monetary policy matters, including discount window operations, reserves of member banks, securities credit, interest on deposits, open market operations;
(3) transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee; or
(4) a part of a discussion or communication among or between members of the Board of Governors and officers and employees of the Federal Reserve System related to items.
In 1993 Wayne D. Angell, then a member of the Board of Governors, submitted testimony before a House subcommittee on the reasons for the restrictions on GAO access. He commented,
By excluding these areas, the Act attempts to balance the need for public accountability of the Federal Reserve through GAO audits against the need to insulate the central bank's monetary policy functions from short-term political pressures and to ensure that foreign central banks and governmental entities can transact business in the U.S. financial markets through the Federal Reserve on a confidential basis.[SUP]2[/SUP]​
In reference to a bill that would lift the constraints placed on the GAO's audit authority over the Federal Reserve, Angell stated,
The benefits, if any, of broadening the GAO's authority into the areas of monetary policy and transactions with foreign official entities would be small. With regard to purely financial audits, the Federal Reserve Act already requires that the Board conduct an annual financial examination of each Reserve Bank...The process of conducting financial audits is reviewed by a public accounting firm to confirm that the methods and techniques being employed are effective and that the program follows generally accepted auditing standards...Further, a private accounting firm audits the Board's balance sheet...Finally, and more broadly, the Congress has, in effect, mandated its own review of monetary policy by requiring semiannual reports to Congress on monetary policy under the Full Employment and Balanced Growth Act of 1978...In addition, there is a vast and continuously updated body of literature and expert evaluation of U.S. monetary policy. In this environment, the contribution that a GAO audit would make to the active public discussion of the conduct of monetary policy is not likely to outweigh the disadvantages of expanding GAO audit authority in this area.[SUP]2[/SUP]​
For more on GAO restrictions, you can search the Government Printing Office website for GAO report T-GGD-94-44, entitled "Federal Reserve System Audits: Restrictions on GAO's Access."​
[h=4]The Budget of the Federal Reserve and Other Oversight[/h]
The budget of the Federal Reserve system is determined by each Bank and the Board of Governors. Stephen L. Neal, the Chair of the House Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy in 1991, stated that "Congress plays no direct role in setting or authorizing the Fed's budget. Control of its own budget is an essential component of the independence the Fed must enjoy."[SUP]1[/SUP] Additional oversight of the Federal Reserve System derives from the ability of Congress to expand or to contract the Fed's powers. On numerous occasions Congress has seen fit to change the Fed's structure, alter its mission, and grant it new or different powers. In 1935 Congress changed the composition of the Board of Governors to give it more independence, and it allowed the Board to determine the discount rate for all Federal Reserve Banks rather than allow each Bank to set its own rate. In1978 Congress mandated the Fed's new goal to be full employment and price stability. In 1980 Congress granted the Fed new regulatory powers over non-member banks.
Many other government reports on the audits of the Federal Reserve system are available on-line through the Government Printing Office website. Three interesting GAO reports on Federal Reserve finances and performance are:
Federal Reserve Banks: Innaccurate Reporting of Currency at the Los Angeles Branch, (9/30/96, GAO report AMID-96-146).
Federal Reserve Banks: Internal Control, Accounting, and Auditing Issues, (2/9/96, GAO report AMID-96-5). Federal Reserve System: Current and Future Challenges Require Systemwide Attention, (6/17/96, GGD-96-128).
[h=4]Conclusion[/h]
It is obvious that the Federal Reserve System is and has always been audited. It is difficult to imagine how Kah, Schauf, and other conspiracy theorists could not have come across this evidence in the course of their research. Perhaps they are merely poor researchers. Or maybe they are reluctant to acknowledge facts which contradict their basic thesis. Either way, their credibility among skeptical readers takes a sharp hit by making such obvious factual errors. For more on how the Federal Reserve system is audited, see the New York Federal Reserve's FedPoints.
 

NoDrama

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Did you know the Federal Reserve charges interest on money to the Feds?
And that at the end of the year that money is turned over to the treasury department?
Would you care if you had to give someone a machine screw if you were a machine screw manufacturer? And not just any machine screw manufacturer, but the only one that existed, by law.
 

newworldicon

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Who cares if they have been audited, it's the way they go about there business that's important and who it really affects, the taxpayer!!

Your copy and paste dilutes the issue and diverts from the real problem...
 

MellowFarmer

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Chesus it is clear you missed my intent that this be a safe haven for open minds in order to increase our collective and knowledge by sharing questions and research. If you believe any of incapable of finding the official story then it is you wearing the tin foil hat that wards off painful reality.
 

ChesusRice

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Who cares if they have been audited, it's the way they go about there business that's important and who it really affects, the taxpayer!!

Your copy and paste dilutes the issue and diverts from the real problem...
So we must destroy the economy to save it?
 

KillCaustic

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So after reading through so many of the threads on this forum I'm thinking I want in the "tin foil hat" club, makes more sense to me than all of the Democrats vs. Republican crap. I think this country is beyond fucked and thinking that either of the candidates for the presidency is going to be the saviour of all this mess IMHO, is the ultimate delusion I mean, you might as well believe in aliens or lizard people.

I found this cool video that I'd like to share as it has some interesting views in it. I think this may qualify me for the "tin foil hat" club.

[video=youtube;Xbp6umQT58A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A[/video]
 

newworldicon

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So we must destroy the economy to save it?
The economy is destroyed already buddy, what glasses are you wearing?

Frankly you are runining the thread by harping on the federal reserve. It's stupid to think that the answer to this problem is sticking with the people who got not just America but the world into so much debt that realistically it will never be paid back, yet you want more of their fiat money, utter stupidity.

Here's a radical* idea. Stop using their system, don't pay their debts, if you understood how their system works you would realise they hold us accountable for their jive.

The jobs are lost already and so is the economy so what do you really have to lose, nothing is the answer. Everyone is in the hole already so digging it deeper does not help in one bit.

Now I suggest for the sake of the thread we drop the fed and discuss other more interesting things..
 

newworldicon

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So after reading through so many of the threads on this forum I'm thinking I want in the "tin foil hat" club, makes more sense to me than all of the Democrats vs. Republican crap. I think this country is beyond fucked and thinking that either of the candidates for the presidency is going to be the saviour of all this mess IMHO, is the ultimate delusion I mean, you might as well believe in aliens or lizard people.

I found this cool video that I'd like to share as it has some interesting views in it. I think this may qualify me for the "tin foil hat" club.

[video=youtube;Xbp6umQT58A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A[/video]
Lets discuss this lizard and alien thing......

I'm from Africa, we have plenty bantu artifacts that date as far back to about the sumerian timeframe that have figurines of lizard people, there is a lot of what westerners call "folklore" but indigenus people call history talking of the lizard races. Before any western or European influence came to their shores they were talking of this, had artifacts of them etc. that at the least should open up questions....

How did these tribal folks know about this, was it pure coincidence that they happen to create the same tales of a lizard man? This by no means proves that reptilians exist but at the least it poses questions that should be looked into.

My research has led me to read that the reptilian agenda is supposed to be british intelligence aka c i a aka mossadsi disinformation which contradicts what we have in remote parts of the African continent as well as other parts of the world.

Aliens.....well this is an interesting subject. Did we as a human race have a far more advanced technology base in the times of Atlantis? Why did the Indians in Asia have stone records of vimanas as well as the mayans, why did the catholic church and vatican systematically destroy all records of mayan history in the 17th century? what did they want to hide? Why does only 4 books of mayan history survive today considering their vast empire and it's rich history, why does mayan art in stone depict men in rockets and why do we see leaked pics of structures on the moon and mars, were we advanced beyond todays benchmark and did we get their ourselves or did aliens visit us? Why is Sumerian text full of Annunaki references, were they all just talking shit? making it up?

It's hard to say for sure aliens exist but there is evidence that references them in our ancient history and archeology.

Another subject is the giant humanbeings? How do they factor into our theory of evolution? To my knowledge there is one faked picture of a giant yet there are hundreds if not thousands of acheologists who have been silenced by the powers that be on this subject. As a species we have found so many of these legit remains that it is impossible to ignore them. I remember reading somewhere that an entire tomb was found in an American cave where hundreds of giant human remains were found ala graveyard style in the 1800's. It was quickly covered up and the entrance blown closed by officials.

The plot to cover giants remains is undeniable, this too never gets questioned though...

What do you guys think?
 

ChesusRice

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Holy fuck he's still talking about the audits that are not released to the public?

Cheezus is special or somethin.
The Federal Reserve's finances are already audited every year by an independent accounting firm. (Last year it was Deloitte and Touche). The central bank also publishes its balance sheet every Thursday online.Instead, what Paul is aiming for is a full investigation of the way the Fed determines monetary policy.
Those deliberations currently take place behind closed doors. Minutes are released with a three-week lag, and full transcripts are published only five years after the fact.



Bernanke, speaking at a hearing about the economy and monetary policy Wednesday, said he prefers to keep it that way to protect the Fed's independence. Having Congressional investigators in the room could "create a political influence" and have a "chilling effect," the Chairman said.
Bernanke said he could envision a "nightmare scenario" where Congress would disagree with a Fed decision on interest rates and try to get other agencies, such as the Government Accountability Office, to review it.
 
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