Paul Ryan is a Succesful and important Politician

[ChesusRice]

It wasn't him, it was his staff. these are the same folk who believe in personal responsibility and that Obama can't keep blaming Bush. His Staff wrote the three letters, his staff claimed that 6500 jobs would be created or preserved by the stimulus money, if only the fed will send it. It wasn't him, it was his staff that wrote AND signed the letters.

Is that the RP newsletter defense?

 

[beenthere]

Most likely ones that survived and produced

not something you would know about

That's why I'm on the forum, so I can learn, GAWD!

 

[ChesusRice]

That's why I'm on the forum, so I can learn, GAWD!

Being in northern Cal
You can ask questions that wont haunt you later

 

[deprave]

LMAO Perhaps that's where the saying "The best defense is a good offense" came from!

Hey, I know it worked well under Ronald Reagan.

the level that you have been brainwashed at is nearly unmatched, amazing that you think Obama is a commie and Paul Ryan is a conservative, those two are like peas in a pod.

 

[NLXSK1]

He probably voted on a bill or two as well....

Let's look at Barak Obama's record as a Senator .... ROOFLES!!! The guy who voted present more than anything else. He was probably so high he thought he was still in school when his name was called

 

[ChesusRice]

He probably voted on a bill or two as well....

Let's look at Barak Obama's record as a Senator .... ROOFLES!!! The guy who voted present more than anything else. He was probably so high he thought he was still in school when his name was called

Got a citation that he voted present more times than anything else?

 

[canndo]

He probably voted on a bill or two as well....

Let's look at Barak Obama's record as a Senator .... ROOFLES!!! The guy who voted present more than anything else. He was probably so high he thought he was still in school when his name was called

Good point NL. Except now Obama does have a record and Ryan does not.

 

[beenthere]

the level that you have been brainwashed at is nearly unmatched, amazing that you think Obama is a commie and Paul Ryan is a conservative, those two are like peas in a pod.

At one time I had you being one of the more informed on this forum, now it's fading fast.
Read up on Karl Marx my friend, then do a little research on who Obama associated with during his college years and after, now tell me Obama is not practicing Marxist policies!

And I will admit there are some similarities with all of our presidential candidates, including Obama and Romney. But there is also stark differences in their policies that separate the two, if you cannot see this, then you have Ron Paul stuck so far up your ass, you are brainwashed yourself.

 

[canndo]

At one time I had you being one of the more informed on this forum, now it's fading fast.
Read up on Karl Marx my friend, then do a little research on who Obama associated with during his college years and after, now tell me Obama is not practicing Marxist policies!

And I will admit there are some similarities with all of our presidential candidates, including Obama and Romney. But there is also stark differences in their policies that separate the two, if you cannot see this, then you have Ron Paul stuck so far up your ass, you are brainwashed yourself.

Now hang on Beenthere - you post a revealing sentence.


"Read up on Karl Marx my friend, then do a little research on who Obama associated with during his college years and after, now tell me Obama is not practicing Marxist policies"


Shall we parse it? you are saying that Obama's college friends are Marxists and therefore Obama must be practicing marxist policies. The logic here is very flawed but it does show how the right tends to incriminate by association - and it does so using incidents 30 years in the past. Is that something you think is ok?

 

[Grandpapy]

Now hang on Beenthere - you post a revealing sentence.


"Read up on Karl Marx my friend, then do a little research on who Obama associated with during his college years and after, now tell me Obama is not practicing Marxist policies"


Shall we parse it? you are saying that Obama's college friends are Marxists and therefore Obama must be practicing marxist policies. The logic here is very flawed but it does show how the right tends to incriminate by association - and it does so using incidents 30 years in the past. Is that something you think is ok?

I don't belive it's Marxists. Pure Capitalist all the way!
The last 5 Presidents all have ties to this guy Armond Hammer and his Company. Makes me scratch my head, and say Hmmmm.

 

[canndo]

That's why I'm on the forum, so I can learn, GAWD!

I have reflected on your post here. I am sure you are on the growing pages in order for you to learn, but are you in Politics in order to learn as well? If so, what have you learned?

 

[canndo]

I don't belive it's Marxists. Pure Capitalist all the way!
The last 5 Presidents all have ties to this guy Armond Hammer and his Company. Makes me scratch my head, and say Hmmmm.

I have often encountered folks who actually believe that the majority of politicians get in the business to grow rich. I never could figure that out - some do beifit from their seats but most don't. I find that when someone attains his financial goals, in so doing he gains a taste for the power that goes along with his wealth. I can't think of a president who wasn't a millonare before he was elected to office. Why would someone spend the time and energy and money it takes to get a job that only pays 400,000 dollars a year?

Still, many who are not particularly well off titter about how the president is making back room deals so he can turn a buck. I seriously doubt that a man worth a quarter billion dollars would go through the sort of brutal process that Romney is, for the money. Man needs creature comforts, he wishes for more than he needs, but some lust for power.

 

[Emry]

No matter who we elect, government is going to spend my money one way or another. If they continue to force me to pay taxes, I'd rather it go to national defense than supporting a bunch of lazy freeloaders.

What was the source of your graph? here is some fact check graphs. http://factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/

 

[bedspirit]

At one time I had you being one of the more informed on this forum, now it's fading fast.
Read up on Karl Marx my friend, then do a little research on who Obama associated with during his college years and after, now tell me Obama is not practicing Marxist policies!

And I will admit there are some similarities with all of our presidential candidates, including Obama and Romney. But there is also stark differences in their policies that separate the two, if you cannot see this, then you have Ron Paul stuck so far up your ass, you are brainwashed yourself.

"Marxist" is an empty buzz word. How many marxist policies has Obama passed? I can't think of one. Obamacare? I don't think Marxist countries even have insurance companies. He's a crony capitalist. His appointees all represent one business interest or another. FDA - Monsanto, SEC - Goldman Sachs, Energy - GE. If he's a Marxist, Lenin must be turning in his grave.

 

[canndo]

"Marxist" is an empty buzz word. How many marxist policies has Obama passed? I can't think of one. Obamacare? I don't think Marxist countries even have insurance companies. He's a crony capitalist. His appointees all represent one business interest or another. FDA - Monsanto, SEC - Goldman Sachs, Energy - GE. If he's a Marxist, Lenin must be turning in his grave.

I differ here bed. Marxist is not at all empty, it is a meme or mimeme intended to convey a negative tone, it no longer has any real reference to the sociopolitical or economic definition of the word. It is now used to conote anything that is perceived as anti-capitalist.

But that I suppose is exactly what you said.

 

[bedspirit]

I have often encountered folks who actually believe that the majority of politicians get in the business to grow rich. I never could figure that out - some do beifit from their seats but most don't. I find that when someone attains his financial goals, in so doing he gains a taste for the power that goes along with his wealth. I can't think of a president who wasn't a millonare before he was elected to office. Why would someone spend the time and energy and money it takes to get a job that only pays 400,000 dollars a year?

Still, many who are not particularly well off titter about how the president is making back room deals so he can turn a buck. I seriously doubt that a man worth a quarter billion dollars would go through the sort of brutal process that Romney is, for the money. Man needs creature comforts, he wishes for more than he needs, but some lust for power.

I agree that the motivation to get into politics probably isn't to get rich, but to say that most don't benefit from their seats doesn't seem correct, unless you're lumping state politicians in there as well (even then, you may be wrong, but I don't have the numbers available). Do you recall last year when a study showed that the wealth of the members of Congress increased 25% since 2008? I believe this is what led to the passage of the ethics bill that banned insider trading for members of congress this year.

[video=youtube;g2g_8y_OBZw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2g_8y_OBZw[/video]

 

[canndo]

I agree that the motivation to get into politics probably isn't to get rich, but to say that most don't benefit from their seats doesn't seem correct, unless you're lumping state politicians in there as well (even then, you may be wrong, but I don't have the numbers available). Do you recall last year when a study showed that the wealth of the members of Congress increased 25% since 2008? I believe this is what led to the passage of the ethics bill that banned insider trading for members of congress this year.

[video=youtube;g2g_8y_OBZw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2g_8y_OBZw[/video]

If I said that most don't profit from their seats, I misspoke, no one could rightfully argue otherwise

 

[cannabineer]

I have often encountered folks who actually believe that the majority of politicians get in the business to grow rich. I never could figure that out - some do beifit from their seats but most don't. I find that when someone attains his financial goals, in so doing he gains a taste for the power that goes along with his wealth. I can't think of a president who wasn't a millonare before he was elected to office. Why would someone spend the time and energy and money it takes to get a job that only pays 400,000 dollars a year?

Still, many who are not particularly well off titter about how the president is making back room deals so he can turn a buck. I seriously doubt that a man worth a quarter billion dollars would go through the sort of brutal process that Romney is, for the money. Man needs creature comforts, he wishes for more than he needs, but some lust for power.

It was my understanding that the money angle came into play upon retirement from public office. Arrangements, consultancies, honoraria for speeches ... many millions. cn

 

[canndo]

It was my understanding that the money angle came into play upon retirement from public office. Arrangements, consultancies, honoraria for speeches ... many millions. cn

Surely they make money after the fact. I can't see however, how the amount of enerrgy expended couldn't be made far more profitable in other ways.

 

[cannabineer]

Surely they make money after the fact. I can't see however, how the amount of energy expended couldn't be made far more profitable in other ways.

If it's accepted that politicians are colossal exhibitionists ... one's the cake; the other is the frosting. (I was gonna say pure gravy, but my stomach disapproved of the mixed metaphor.) cn