Jon Stewart sums up Fast and Furious

[Wordz]

Now how did you get from "we don't know so why do you presume" to this hyperbole?

I was wrong I am sure they are innocent. The govt would never try to cover up anything.

 

[StevenSD420]

I'll give Bush and Clinton one thing, at least there wasn't a coverup where our government was responsible for the death of a US law enforcement agent.

That YOU know of. LOL

But of course that forgives the hundreds of deaths on both of those president's hands in foreign countries. psh.

(and yes obama is just as guilty, i know, but my point is, the government does things all the time with the public not knowing, there's stuff going down right now without you, me, or almost anyone else knowing, so why are you getting all hung up when an operation fails... is it because we the public actually heard about it? honestly doesn't make a difference to me)

 

[Wordz]

John Stewart should hung for treason. He's trying to leak state secrets.

 

[beenthere]

My understanding is that OWR did allow weapons to "walk". beyond that, as I pointed out, the only difference was in magnitude - just as you stated.

The adding of gps tracking devices, keeping the Mexican government in the loop and halting the program after realizing the guns were lost, goes way beyond just magnitude my friend, don't be ridiculous, take your partisan glasses off.

 

[cannabineer]

OK nevermind. Let the feds have their way. No need to question anything. Big govt always knows what is right for me.

I don't think the point was accommodation but intellectual/rational hygiene. It's tough to argue the ethics of executive privilege on circumstantial evidence.
(I could be wrong.) cn

 

[canndo]

I was wrong I am sure they are innocent. The govt would never try to cover up anything.

More hyperbole being used to "support" that first bit of it.

No one said anyone was innocent, nor did anyone say governments don't cover up but your shifting to such a comment proves neither the statement nor its opposite. Because governments cover up does not mean that this time they have. Again, we know nothing of what is in those documents.


How upset were you when Cheney refused to hand over specifics of his energy policy meetings?

 

[beenthere]

That YOU know of. LOL

But of course that forgives the hundreds of deaths on both of those president's hands in foreign countries. psh.

(and yes obama is just as guilty, i know, but my point is, the government does things all the time with the public not knowing, there's stuff going down right now without you, me, or almost anyone else knowing, so why are you getting all hung up when an operation fails... is it because we the public actually heard about it? honestly doesn't make a difference to me)

It makes a big difference to me, how can there be public outrage unless the people know?

 

[Wordz]

More hyperbole being used to "support" that first bit of it.

No one said anyone was innocent, nor did anyone say governments don't cover up but your shifting to such a comment proves neither the statement nor its opposite. Because governments cover up does not mean that this time they have. Again, we know nothing of what is in those documents.


How upset were you when Cheney refused to hand over specifics of his energy policy meetings?

I'm agreeing with you. We have no reason to question them since we don't have any documents of proof.

 

[abandonconflict]

It makes a big difference to me, how can there be public outrage unless the people know?

So public outrage against dems is the aim of the GOP?

We have more serious problems that deserve attention, don't you think?

And what will become of such outrage if those documents clear the administration of wrong doing?

 

[cannabineer]

So public outrage against dems is the aim of the GOP?

We have more serious problems that deserve attention, don't you think?

And what will become of such outrage if those documents clear the administration of wrong doing?

Would you bait a rodent trap with a bit of pumpernickel or a dollop of Brie?

Actual issues of merit are substantial nutrition, but sensation has always been journalistic gold to real issues' tin. cn

 

[canndo]

The adding of gps tracking devices, keeping the Mexican government in the loop and halting the program after realizing the guns were lost, goes way beyond just magnitude my friend, don't be ridiculous, take your partisan glasses off.

My understanding of the two operations is that gps were installed in both, that guns were allowed across the border (I have seen more than one right leaning person claim that purchasers were arrested on the spot - where are you folks getting your information?) and my understanding is that arrests were made under F&F and were not under OWR. I know you want to make more of this than it is, I know it is important to you to have the Obama administration at fault all the time for everything and that no proper comparisons can possibly be made to any other situation - this being the case, it may be you who is wearing those glasses. I do not excuse ineptitude, I do not excuse cover ups but unless and until Holder is actually found in contempt, this is no cover up.

 

[abandonconflict]

Would you bait a rodent trap with a bit of pumpernickel or a dollop of Brie?

Actual issues of merit are substantial nutrition, but sensation has always been journalistic gold to real issues' tin. cn

When have you read a report in the news on an issue of merit?

 

[Wordz]

My understanding of the two operations is that gps were installed in both, that guns were allowed across the border (I have seen more than one right leaning person claim that purchasers were arrested on the spot - where are you folks getting your information?) and my understanding is that arrests were made under F&F and were not under OWR. I know you want to make more of this than it is, I know it is important to you to have the Obama administration at fault all the time for everything and that no proper comparisons can possibly be made to any other situation - this being the case, it may be you who is wearing those glasses. I do not excuse ineptitude, I do not excuse cover ups but unless and until Holder is actually found in contempt, this is no cover up.

How could he be held in contempt for documents that obama says are his now? It's fucking impossible since the evidence is now gone.

 

[cannabineer]

When have you read a report in the news on an issue of merit?

It helps to read international sources. cn

 

[abandonconflict]

It helps to read international sources. cn

I find Al Jezeera to be a gem of nonpartisan anti-West expose. They decry all American officiates equally.

 

[canndo]

How could he be held in contempt for documents that obama says are his now? It's fucking impossible since the evidence is now gone.

Refusing to comply with Congress. He has yet to provide those documents. What problems did you have with Cheney's similar actions?

 

[Wordz]

It's the same thing they are all out to fuck us for their gain.

 

[beenthere]

My understanding of the two operations is that gps were installed in both, that guns were allowed across the border (I have seen more than one right leaning person claim that purchasers were arrested on the spot - where are you folks getting your information?) and my understanding is that arrests were made under F&F and were not under OWR. I know you want to make more of this than it is, I know it is important to you to have the Obama administration at fault all the time for everything and that no proper comparisons can possibly be made to any other situation - this being the case, it may be you who is wearing those glasses. I do not excuse ineptitude, I do not excuse cover ups but unless and until Holder is actually found in contempt, this is no cover up.

I'd like you to provide some information that substantiates gps tracking devices were used on Fast & Furious.
While you're at it, show us where the government of Mexico was kept informed by our government during this fiasco.

Refusing to comply with Congress. He has yet to provide those documents. What problems did you have with Cheney's similar actions?

What does Dick Cheney have to do with fast & Furious?
Trying to defend bad behavior with prior bad behavior, is a true sign of partisanship my friend.

 

[canndo]

I'd like you to provide some information that substantiates gps tracking devices were used on Fast & Furious.
While you're at it, show us where the government of Mexico was kept informed by our government during this fiasco.




What does Dick Cheney have to do with fast & Furious?
Trying to defend bad behavior with prior bad behavior, is a true sign of partisanship my friend.

I am looking into it now - again Beenthere, where did you get your information about RFID? (I read RfID and not GPS). Where did you get your information that OWR made arrests? I am finding lots of propaganda floating around that seems to be giving bad information. With regard to Cheney - I asked not in order to justify F&F witheld information but to see if there was some consistancy - any lack of consistancy would be such a sign of partisanship.

Did you have a problem with Cheney's refusal to divulge info on a government meeting regarding our nation's energy policy?

 

[Wordz]

Canndo, cheney is a crook also. Cheney has nothing to do with fast and furious. Do you have anything to add to this other than changing the subject to cheney? What about pudding? What about pudding?