Jon Stewart sums up Fast and Furious

Wordz said:
lulz c'mon liberals explain this shit...obama hiding the records.
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Its sad they avoid all of these threads lolz.

They still think the President that has spent the most on the drug war and is publicly against decriminalization is the best mmj candidate. Not to mention, he pulled a Nixon and used Executive Privilege to cover up a drug war scandal which should be something that the MJ community should be outraged about. They are such partisan little children.
 
Wordz said:
lulz c'mon liberals explain this shit...obama hiding the records.
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We can't explain it. Obama promised a transparent government under his watch and we have yet to see it. It may be that he is finally taking some stands with an obstructionist republican party but I would he hard pressed to explain why he is doing so on this issue.
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Its sad they avoid all of these threads lolz.

They still think the President that has spent the most on the drug war and is publicly against decriminalization is the best mmj candidate. Not to mention, he pulled a Nixon and used Executive Privilege to cover up a drug war scandal which should be something that the MJ community should be outraged about. They are such partisan little children.
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While there may be some partisanship in the behavior of Dems, it pales in comparison to that on the other side.
 
Naww I'd say it's pretty fuckin bad to give 2 million dollars of guns to the cartels. At least they never kill people though, right.
 
canndo said:
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Oh I don't think so. Obama's lies have not resulted in the death of thousands of our troops and hundreds of thousands of civilians.
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seriously? we've been droning the shit out of the middle east

he also ordered a drone kill of US citizens. You can hate Bush and rightfully so but Obama is doing the same damn shit if not "and then some". Bush never ordered the cold blooded murder of citizens without a trial as far as we know. If he were Republican he would most likely be called a murdering fuck.

Nothing changes if we can't be honest about our leadership just because we voted for him, or he looks good in a bathing suit.
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Its sad they avoid all of these threads lolz.

They still think the President that has spent the most on the drug war and is publicly against decriminalization is the best mmj candidate. Not to mention, he pulled a Nixon and used Executive Privilege to cover up a drug war scandal which should be something that the MJ community should be outraged about. They are such partisan little children.
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I am avoiding it until it pans out, all I can do is speculate until then, same as you, same as Jon Stewart.

I'm going to say this though, if I was a partisan member of the administration and a partisan Congress was targeting me, whether I was guilty or not, I would have asked for executive privilege. If some of those documents that Holder did not want congress to have, actually clear him, why would he want to give them to a hostile partisan congress looking to score political points against the administration? That is like Dantes giving Villefort the only document proving his innocence in the Count of Montecristo.. Instead he gave them to his lawyer, Barry Obama. It certainly looks like it will be hard to prove Eric Holder is innocent though. If Barry pulls it off, he will score HUGE political points against the GOP, maybe even shut them up for a few years. He certainly has the moxy and the discerning political maneuverability to do so if it can be done. Who knows what those documents say...This saga ain't had it's last episode, that is for sure.

This issue is nothing more than partisan political gains, it can have no other meaningful outcome.
 
canndo said:
While there may be some partisanship in the behavior of Dems, it pales in comparison to that on the other side.
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The Clinton administration invoked executive privilege on fourteen occasions.
Hardly a "pale in comparison"

I'll give Bush and Clinton one thing, at least there wasn't a coverup where our government was responsible for the death of a US law enforcement agent.
 
Wordz said:
Naww I'd say it's pretty fuckin bad to give 2 million dollars of guns to the cartels. At least they never kill people though, right.
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Obama handed out those weapons did he? And beyond that, there was a program identical in every way except magnitude in place before Obama took office, Bush's program, Operation Wide Receiver. Now this doesn't exempt Obama but it goes to your original point.
 
beenthere said:
The Clinton administration invoked executive privilege on fourteen occasions.
Hardly a "pale in comparison"

I'll give Bush and Clinton one thing, at least there wasn't a coverup where our government was responsible for the death of a US law enforcement agent.
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so it is your contention that every invocation of executive privilege is rooted in some sort of evil intent?
 
abandonconflict said:
I am avoiding it until it pans out, all I can do is speculate until then, same as you, same as Jon Stewart.

I'm going to say this though, if I was a partisan member of the administration and a partisan Congress was targeting me, whether I was guilty or not, I would have asked for executive privilege. If some of those documents that Holder did not want congress to have, actually clear him, why would he want to give them to a hostile partisan congress looking to score political points against the administration? That is like Dantes giving Villefort the only document proving his innocence in the Count of Montecristo.. Instead he gave them to his lawyer, Barry Obama. It certainly looks like it will be hard to prove Eric Holder is innocent though. If Barry pulls it off, he will score HUGE political points against the GOP, maybe even shut them up for a few years. He certainly has the moxy and the discerning political maneuverability to do so if it can be done. Who knows what those documents say...This saga ain't had it's last episode, that is for sure.

This issue is nothing more than partisan political gains, it can have no other meaningful outcome.
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fast and furious has been known about for over 1/2 a year. It's already old news to crazy Alex Jones
 
canndo said:
so it is your contention that every invocation of executive privilege is rooted in some sort of evil intent?
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I'd say when all the records with the proof to put the crooks away is horded by obama it sure points to nefarious activities.
 
canndo said:
Obama handed out those weapons did he? And beyond that, there was a program identical in every way except magnitude in place before Obama took office, Bush's program, Operation Wide Receiver. Now this doesn't exempt Obama but it goes to your original point.
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The major differences between Fast & Furious and Wide Receiver.

Wide Receiver - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 300. Fast & Furious - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 2,000.

Wide Receiver - Guns were traced with miniature GPS devices inserted inside the guns. Fast & Furious - No tracking devices were used.

Wide Receiver - ATF agents were ordered to follow the gun smugglers from the gun store to the US/Mexico border. Fast & Furious - ATF agents were ordered to stand down and not follow the gun smugglers after they left the gun store.

Wide Receiver - Mexican army and police was in the loop about Wide Receiver. They took over the surveillance of the gun smugglers after they crossed with the guns in Mexico. Fast & Furious - Mexican authorities were kept in the dark by the ATF and the US DOJ. They had no idea about Fast & Furious and the fact that guns provided to gun smugglers by the American authorities were "walked" in Mexico into the hands of drug cartel murderers.

Wide Receiver - When a small number of guns (30-40) were lost due to the malfunctioning GPS tracking devices operation Wide Receiver was immediately aborted and cancelled. Fast and Furious - Operation continued even after ATF and DOJ lost track of all 2,000 guns sold to Mexican drug cartels.
 
beenthere said:
The major differences between Fast & Furious and Wide Receiver.

Wide Receiver - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 300. Fast & Furious - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 2,000.
Wide Receiver - Guns were traced with miniature GPS devices inserted inside the guns. Fast & Furious - No tracking devices were used.
Wide Receiver - ATF agents were ordered to follow the gun smugglers from the gun store to the US/Mexico border. Fast & Furious - ATF agents were ordered to stand down and not follow the gun smugglers after they left the gun store.
Wide Receiver - Mexican army and police was in the loop about Wide Receiver. They took over the surveillance of the gun smugglers after they crossed with the guns in Mexico. Fast & Furious - Mexican authorities were kept in the dark by the ATF and the US DOJ. They had no idea about Fast & Furious and the fact that guns provided to gun smugglers by the American authorities were "walked" in Mexico into the hands of drug cartel murderers.
Wide Receiver - When a small number of guns (30-40) were lost due to the malfunctioning GPS tracking devices operation Wide Receiver was immediately aborted and cancelled. Fast and Furious - Operation continued even after ATF and DOJ lost track of all 2,000 guns sold to Mexican drug cartels.
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My understanding is that OWR did allow weapons to "walk". beyond that, as I pointed out, the only difference was in magnitude - just as you stated.
 
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