taking a plunge in AN's line up.

backyardagain

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lol. all this over a nute company, imma have to go with scooby on this one, i have yet to try it so i cant say my self it works or not, im using a base grow and bloom with fluvic acid soluble silicate rootroids anbd humic acid, all from a local company, for 30 bucks i got atest kit with 500ml of the basegrowbloom and 8oz bottles of the rest
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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the simple fact that he said he uses 5ml of Dyna as opposed to 12ml of Sensi shows me he was way messed up from the start and had no clue what he was doing. it's been tested by a few people and Sensi is more concentrated and only slightly more expensive. so in reality it's a wash.
 

backyardagain

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ive just decided to do a side by side with 2 at the same time, i have 2 afgan kush ryders and 2 pieappleexpress both autos, ill do advance sensi a&b with b52 possibly prianha and for flower will be sensi bloom a&b with bud candy big bud blood bud over drive and for the other just the technaflora recepie for sucess. figure a 40doller box of nbutes to 200 dolelrs ofnutes but figure if they were all the same size not to big of a difference of price, but lets see how the quality goes.
 

lordjin

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I think AN Sensi two part is easy to use and effective. You also don't need all that crap they market.
 

kilo810

Active Member
LOL I followed AN's directions, 12 ml per gallon. Dynas is 5 ml per gallon. you really are a AN fanboy. I guess it takes time and maturity to learn from your mistakes. . Thats my flaw I suppose, I read and do as they instruct. I find it hilarious that you can claim that I have no idea on what I am doing, youve never seen my grow or tasted my product. And by the way I never complained about not being able to grow healthy plants with AN, Every grow I have had has been fine. my complaint is pricing.

Note too that when AN did the Nutrient Challenge and put it on youtube, they DID NOT use Dyna Gro products. Says a little something there. You should really check out Homebrewers comparison journal. You might learn a thing or two instead of sitting on here calling people dumb and claiming that they have no idea what they are talking about because we gave up a company that overcharges becuase they have pretty pictures on the bottles and have a huge marketing team.

As for the fact of reading books, at least I am trying to learn more and understand my plants better than those that just sit back and try to grow without any prior knowledge. I guess ignorance is bliss in your case, maybe you should read the books instead of trolling forums spewing crap information. I try all sorts of tricks and find what works and what doesn't. AN worked fine for me, but when you look at the overall cost of products vs production and then there is something cheaper that does the same, I wont waste my money.

Notice this; you've been on here since may 2012, with 850 post, maybe you should get off the CPU and play with your plants, Do some of your own research, I have and so have most Dyna Gro users. Just because we come on here and try to help keep someone from making a mistake all you AN freaks jump all over us with aboslutely no experience with the products, you just read ingredients and try to tell us we are wrong.

Backyardagain, you will do fine with either product, just stay away from VooDoo Juice, way over priced, use great white and make a tea. Also anything claiming to be a bud booster is crap, use anything high in magnesium and calcium, molassas works as a carbo booster for plant production and bud weight; personally for that I use Liquid W8 from green planet still. works wonders. Be careful on here man trolls will try to get you to buy anything.
 

kilo810

Active Member
the simple fact that he said he uses 5ml of Dyna as opposed to 12ml of Sensi shows me he was way messed up from the start and had no clue what he was doing. it's been tested by a few people and Sensi is more concentrated and only slightly more expensive. so in reality it's a wash.
Can you give me a link to this, Homebrewers page has plenty of info stating the opposite.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
ive just decided to do a side by side with 2 at the same time, i have 2 afgan kush ryders and 2 pieappleexpress both autos, ill do advance sensi a&b with b52 possibly prianha and for flower will be sensi bloom a&b with bud candy big bud blood bud over drive and for the other just the technaflora recepie for sucess. figure a 40doller box of nbutes to 200 dolelrs ofnutes but figure if they were all the same size not to big of a difference of price, but lets see how the quality goes.
post a journal for it man. would love to watch that.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
LOL I followed AN's directions, 12 ml per gallon. Dynas is 5 ml per gallon. you really are a AN fanboy. I guess it takes time and maturity to learn from your mistakes. . Thats my flaw I suppose, I read and do as they instruct. I find it hilarious that you can claim that I have no idea on what I am doing, youve never seen my grow or tasted my product. And by the way I never complained about not being able to grow healthy plants with AN, Every grow I have had has been fine. my complaint is pricing.

Note too that when AN did the Nutrient Challenge and put it on youtube, they DID NOT use Dyna Gro products. Says a little something there. You should really check out Homebrewers comparison journal. You might learn a thing or two instead of sitting on here calling people dumb and claiming that they have no idea what they are talking about because we gave up a company that overcharges becuase they have pretty pictures on the bottles and have a huge marketing team.

As for the fact of reading books, at least I am trying to learn more and understand my plants better than those that just sit back and try to grow without any prior knowledge. I guess ignorance is bliss in your case, maybe you should read the books instead of trolling forums spewing crap information. I try all sorts of tricks and find what works and what doesn't. AN worked fine for me, but when you look at the overall cost of products vs production and then there is something cheaper that does the same, I wont waste my money.

Notice this; you've been on here since may 2012, with 850 post, maybe you should get off the CPU and play with your plants, Do some of your own research, I have and so have most Dyna Gro users. Just because we come on here and try to help keep someone from making a mistake all you AN freaks jump all over us with aboslutely no experience with the products, you just read ingredients and try to tell us we are wrong.

Backyardagain, you will do fine with either product, just stay away from VooDoo Juice, way over priced, use great white and make a tea. Also anything claiming to be a bud booster is crap, use anything high in magnesium and calcium, molassas works as a carbo booster for plant production and bud weight; personally for that I use Liquid W8 from green planet still. works wonders. Be careful on here man trolls will try to get you to buy anything.
wow...you don't even measure your ppm's? you just follow the directions on the bottle? that's hilarious and all the more reason i have NO faith in your grow skills or the advice you give. i highly doubt you actually research growing...i already had to school you on B-1 vitamins in the other thread. all you have to do is google "B-1 vitamins for plants" and the top 6 or 7 things that come up are how B-1 vitamins have been shown to be useless in root zone applications. you might want to check your research methods.

i have checked out homebrewers journal. that's an entirely different conversation there. you may want to go check out some real growers using AN like lordjin, collective gardener, humbolt, and a few others. someone just posted a new thread in the design section. new grower with a 14,000w room running advanced with amazing results. i'm not talking about guys doing tubs of plants. i'm talking about professional commercial growers. also, how is it that so many people (including myself) can grow amazing plants using Sensi or Connoisseur but homebrewer burnt the crisp out of his? makes you wonder.

you can call my information crap but at least i'm actually giving opinions based on knowledge, research, and experience. you're just regurjitating the same crap you hear around these forums and claiming you actually did the research. lmao.

i've actually been here a lot longer than May. this is my second account. do some research and you'll find out who you're actually talking to. i dare you to post some bud pics of your dyna plants! i'll show you what a real grower can do with AN. i don't need to spend hours in my room cause i actually know what i'm doing and my plants look great. guys like you who are always chasing pH or deficiencies spend all day in there cause you think this is rocket science. too funny.

that's fucking hilarious. you tell backyard to stay away from Voodoo just because it is too expensive but then turn around and tell him to use Great White? are you kidding me? 1L of voodoo juice for $90 is used throughout veg and the first 2 weeks of flower at an application rate of basically 4mL per gallon. So it will make about 250 gallons of nutrient solution. now Great White at $200 for 32 ounces will make about 350 gallons of tea. hmm...which is "expensive"?

you just make it too easy bro. guys like you should not be giving advice to ANYONE about growing or nutrients. you're advice on 2 threads has been dead wrong and you look like an idiot.

Can you give me a link to this, Homebrewers page has plenty of info stating the opposite.
i'm tired of doing your homework for you so this is it. https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/515187-after-trying-dyna-gro-im-11.html

these guys ran the test in response to homebrewers claims. even after he got proven wrong he came in and tried to make up excuses about additives. simple fact is that Sensi is more concentrated than Dyna. and it only cost $10-$15 more for a gallon. so in reality they are the same price basically. do some actual research and stop repeating what other people tell you. pathetic.

post some actual bud pics so we can see how well you grow. if not, then your opinion doesn't mean shit. i already know what your plants look like just based on your comments here on RIU. this should be a good laugh.

p.s. don't gimme that crap about you don't post bud pics. i'm not asking for pics of your room or your house.
 

backyardagain

Well-Known Member
soon, might also do it one the og 18 clones, might be in the process of moving again. so waiting for the ddr's to finish, then wait for the og to be able to clone ad do that 4 clones 2 in soil 2 in coco.or advance 4
 

homebrewer

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i'm tired of doing your homework for you so this is it. https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/515187-after-trying-dyna-gro-im-11.html

these guys ran the test in response to homebrewers claims. even after he got proven wrong he came in and tried to make up excuses about additives. simple fact is that Sensi is more concentrated than Dyna. and it only cost $10-$15 more for a gallon. so in reality they are the same price basically. do some actual research and stop repeating what other people tell you. pathetic.

post some actual bud pics so we can see how well you grow. if not, then your opinion doesn't mean shit. i already know what your plants look like just based on your comments here on RIU. this should be a good laugh.

p.s. don't gimme that crap about you don't post bud pics. i'm not asking for pics of your room or your house.
Phil, didn't you get banned dude? How on Earth do you have time to post 66 times per day? :lol: What is this, like the 4th account you've started here?

It's funny that you quote that 'after trying DynaGro...' thread because the only thing that thread proved was that the OP has a lot to learn about being a consistent grower. Notice how the OP in that thread (TreeKing) claimed he was going to post all these pictures of his current grow, yet the only pictures he posts are of preflowering plants before he screws them up with his preferred plant food.

Speaking of pics, why don't you post up some of your current grow. Include something in the photo that indicates they were taken today. With 60% of your posts being in 'Toke and Talk', I'm beginning to think that's all you do ;).
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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Phil, didn't you get banned dude? How on Earth do you have time to post 66 times per day? :lol: What is this, like the 4th account you've started here?

It's funny that you quote that 'after trying DynaGro...' thread because the only thing that thread proved was that the OP has a lot to learn about being a consistent grower. Notice how the OP in that thread (TreeKing) claimed he was going to post all these pictures of his current grow, yet the only pictures he posts are of preflowering plants before he screws them up with his preferred plant food.

Speaking of pics, why don't you post up some of your current grow. Include something in the photo that indicates they were taken today. With 60% of your posts being in 'Toke and Talk', I'm beginning to think that's all you do ;).
actually this is only my second account. nice try though. and it's not really a secret that it's me...not like i'm trying to hide it. the link under my avatar goes to my IM account which is my name and i've been posting some of the same pics all over the forum. all the mods know and so does the admin. guess you didn't get that memo.

i agreed with you in Tree King's thread and even said that 300ppm didn't sound right to me at all. but unlike you, i wasn't gonna sit there and bash the guy for 30 pages. he wanted to talk nutes so i did...he's a nice guy and i had a fun time talking with him. if he says he gets nute burn at 300ppm in late flower then all i can do is state my case. if he doesn't want to listen then that's his right. i'm not gonna pop into his thread and talk shit for 30 pages like you seem to do.

i've posted hundreds of bud pics on this site. go find them yourself. post some pics of your plants with something indicating that it is today. i posted some badass buds that i grew with advanced and you still talked shit. everyone else disagreed with you but you just had to make a point. what you really ended up soing was making yourself look like an ass. post some more pics of your grow homebrewer. i wanna see where your plants are at right now. i also want proof that it is from today. we all know how you like to use the same pics over and over again.

still haven't answered any of the hard questions there homebrewer. you've been proven to be a fraud. anytime someone proves you wrong you just slink away and go spewing your diahrrea in another thread. you were wrong about the concentration levels of advanced vs. dyna. you were wrong about connoisseur not being a quality nutrient. you burnt your plants to a crisp while newbs are growing quality buds with the same nutrient. either you aren't near as good a grower as you think you are OR you did it on purpose to shill for Dyna. i'm leaning toward the latter based on your trach record on here and other forums.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
post some more pics of your grow homebrewer. i wanna see where your plants are at right now. i also want proof that it is from today. we all know how you like to use the same pics over and over again.
Actually I will and you're going to do the same thing, got it?

still haven't answered any of the hard questions there homebrewer.
What hard questions?

you were wrong about the concentration levels of advanced vs. dyna. you were wrong about connoisseur not being a quality nutrient.
What are you talking about? DG is waaaay more concentrated than Connoisseur, it's not even close actually. Tree even posted some Sensi numbers the other day and those were even less concentrated than Connoisseur. Those numbers were even backed up by another member. Connoisseur simply sucks in hydro and you should know that as your hydro plants looked just as deficient as mine at harvest when using Connoisseur.

I'm currently testing AquaFlakes and it's doing surprisingly well actually. It's more concentrated than Connoisseur, more pH stable and H&G uses better mineral sources. Those sorts of things show when it comes time to harvest and I'll post pics of that grow at harvest in about 25 days. Oh, and Connoisseur is 3 times more expensive to run than both DG and AquaFlakes.

Ok Mr. 66 posts per day, I'll be posting some pics in about 12 hours and I expect you to do the same. We'll both write the date on a piece of paper and include that in the photo. Easy enough?
 

backyardagain

Well-Known Member
how did my thread get taken over by people bashing the line up im going for good for you, you dont like it or didnt do good with it or you dont like the price so why keep posting on how you disliek it so much and go jump on a dyna thread or something else? i mean jeeze all this over a company ya so what they have a lot of choice on products is that a bad thing? no it gives you the oppertiunity to pick the ones you like. its not like if you buy sensi anb you gotta buy everyohter product.. im just going to run it side by side 2 in soil 2 in coco. and i will be the udge, both same starin and everything

yall can keep bashing advance but stop it here. its a nusense and id rather like to hear from the people who like advance and have sucess with it and what and how they use it then listen to the people say shit stuff about it.

thanks.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
Actually I will and you're going to do the same thing, got it?

What hard questions?

What are you talking about? DG is waaaay more concentrated than Connoisseur, it's not even close actually. Tree even posted some Sensi numbers the other day and those were even less concentrated than Connoisseur. Those numbers were even backed up by another member. Connoisseur simply sucks in hydro and you should know that as your hydro plants looked just as deficient as mine at harvest when using Connoisseur.

I'm currently testing AquaFlakes and it's doing surprisingly well actually. It's more concentrated than Connoisseur, more pH stable and H&G uses better mineral sources. Those sorts of things show when it comes time to harvest and I'll post pics of that grow at harvest in about 25 days. Oh, and Connoisseur is 3 times more expensive to run than both DG and AquaFlakes.

Ok Mr. 66 posts per day, I'll be posting some pics in about 12 hours and I expect you to do the same. We'll both write the date on a piece of paper and include that in the photo. Easy enough?
lmao...you call those plants deficient from my last harvest? seems to me like you were the ONLY one in the entire thread that thought the plants were deficient. just seems weird to me that i would be getting plus rep and positive responses from EVERYONE except the Dyna shill. hmmm...makes you wanna think.

you might wanna go back and re-read that thread again HB. Dyna was LESS concentrated than both Connoisseur and Sensi. looks like i have to do your homework for you again...

very important post right here thank you trich fiend!

HOMEBREWER IS 100% WRONG SAYING DYNA GRO IS ALOT MORE CONCENTRATED THAN ADVANCED NUTRIENTS

after you add everything up the sensi 2 part might be like 15% more money but 10 ml of a and 10 ml of b is more concentrated than 10 ml of dyna gro bloom i ran some tests and heres what i found

630 tds 10 ml of dyna gro bloom in a gal of water
790 tds 10 ml of sensi a bloom and 10 ml of sensi bloom b

a gal of sensi 2 part a&b is like $73

a gal of dyna gro bloom is like $50

these nutes are basically almost the same price do the math! i should mention though that dyna gro grow is alot more concentrated than the bloom so theres an advantage there. i got 985 ppm with 10 ml of grow in a gal of water
here's a copy of your response where you basically admit that Sensi and Connoisseur are more concentrated and try and back your way out of it by claiming that you need other additives with AN that you apparantly don't need with Dyna. funny to me cause you seem to be the one running ProTekt, KLN, Great White, etc...

I've been away but I wanted to address this real quick. Sensi is a 4 part system meaning you have two parts for grow and two more for bloom. In your example above, you're using 20mls of Sensi vs 10mls of DG, how does that make any sense if you're comparing concentration levels? In addition, I never made claims about the potency of Sensi as I tested Connoisseur which is actually more concentrated than your Sensi numbers. But based on your numbers above, you're right in that when using bases only, DG is only about 15% cheaper.

Concentration levels and price-point are just the beginning, how about the number of bottles needed to grow a plant from seed to harvest? How about the need for additional bottles down the road because of lack-luster NPK ratios for hydro or incomplete base nutrient formulas? How about pH stability or ease of use? If you want to talk about the true cost of a grow, you need to look at more than just the price of the bases, especially when dealing with canna-specific nutrient companies whose only goal is to empty your pockets. After all, we're talking about salts in water here, not pixies dust and magic potions that guarantee success.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what plant food one uses when one lacks the skills to dial-in everything else it takes to grow a healthy plant. A great example of this occurred last week when a friend was watching my garden while I was gone. I don't know what happened but one of my perfectly healthy flowering dirt plants died while I was gone. I dunno King, should I blame the plant food or the person who was caring for the plants? ;)
the best part is your logic here above. did you fail math class or something? if you use 10ml per bottle of 2 part and 10ml per bottle of Dyna then you'll be using the bottles up in the same amount of time. it's not rocket science. and claiming that Dyna is SO much cheaper than AN when in reality you are getting a 25% more concentrated nutrient for 40% more in price. yes, it is slightly more expensive...but hardly what you make it out to be. and with Dyna you have to purchase a veg nute as well so stop trying to act like Dyna is one stop shopping. if you run you Dyna Bloom in veg then great...it's still the same price and concentration difference than Sensi Grow.

and then you digress into the same old argument as always. claiming that you need ALL these additives to grow with AN when tons of guys here are doing just fine with maybe 2-3 additives ust like you. and your Great White is twice the cost of anything we're using from AN.

i'm sure 12 hours will give you plenty of time to photoshop some pics or make up another excuse for why you burnt the shit out of you Connoisseur run when relative newb growers are getting fantastic results with Connoisseur. if you burnt them...then it was grower error. don't blame the nute...it was you. and if you wanna start a pissing contest then go start your own thread. stop hijacking every AN thread that pops up on the forum. you wanna get into a picture conteat then start a thread and send me a link.

sorry backyard...this guy is just a shill that get's under my skin.
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
lmao...you call those plants deficient from my last harvest? seems to me like you were the ONLY one in the entire thread that thought the plants were deficient. just seems weird to me that i would be getting plus rep and positive responses from EVERYONE except the Dyna shill. hmmm...makes you wanna think.

you might wanna go back and re-read that thread again HB. Dyna was LESS concentrated than both Connoisseur and Sensi. looks like i have to do your homework for you again...



here's a copy of your response where you basically admit that Sensi and Connoisseur are more concentrated and try and back your way out of it by claiming that you need other additives with AN that you apparantly don't need with Dyna. funny to me cause you seem to be the one running ProTekt, KLN, Great White, etc...



the best part is your logic here above. did you fail math class or something? if you use 10ml per bottle of 2 part and 10ml per bottle of Dyna then you'll be using the bottles up in the same amount of time. it's not rocket science. and claiming that Dyna is SO much cheaper than AN when in reality you are getting a 25% more concentrated nutrient for 40% more in price. yes, it is slightly more expensive...but hardly what you make it out to be. and with Dyna you have to purchase a veg nute as well so stop trying to act like Dyna is one stop shopping. if you run you Dyna Bloom in veg then great...it's still the same price and concentration difference than Sensi Grow.

and then you digress into the same old argument as always. claiming that you need ALL these additives to grow with AN when tons of guys here are doing just fine with maybe 2-3 additives ust like you. and your Great White is twice the cost of anything we're using from AN.

i'm sure 12 hours will give you plenty of time to photoshop some pics or make up another excuse for why you burnt the shit out of you Connoisseur run when relative newb growers are getting fantastic results with Connoisseur. if you burnt them...then it was grower error. don't blame the nute...it was you.

sorry backyard...this guy is just a shill that get's under my skin.
why then if I may inquire, aren't the leaves green if they are not deficient? Thanx
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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why then if I may inquire, aren't the leaves green if they are not deficient? Thanx
you do realize you are talking about the same plants that you gave me +rep for and said in the quote that they were "truly beautiful"? are you sure you are remembering the same pics? there were ABSOLUTELY no deficiencies in those plants. and the leaves were perfectly green on the cheisel and purple, red, yellow on the chemdawg which is strain specific to that pheno i had.

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afrawfraw

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When you start buying your nutrients at a Farm Store, you've graduated to Master Organics. As for mineral nutrients, as was mentioned, realize exactly what your plants need, buy nutrients which contain all of these minerals, and you'll find it's quite cheap. My base nutrients are Maxi Gro from GH. If I can grow with Maxi line, you can grow with most other products. Just realize that some companies split up these 15 some odd minerals into "parts", fuck that.
 

backyardagain

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All good scooby, but isnt yellowing near the very end normal anyways, cant see the pic you posted on android but not every leaf is gonna be green throught the grow. Ive been yankin the stragllers and dyin ones. I just dont understand the hate towards advance. Who cares if their price is a bit more if its outta your range dont talk smack on stuff you cant afford. As for me im fine with actually putting money in all aspects including nutes, as for quanity I dont need a gallon of everything I can manage with the smallest bottles seeing as I only do 3_4 plants at a time. I just dont understand the fact that people have to bash other companies on useless stuff, im just gettin annoyed of all the hate towards a product that works for basically everyone. But oh welll time to toke check the bavies before lights out and im done for now. Tuesday ill have the nuets and ecry th ing so will update with pics then.
 

Kite High

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you do realize you are talking about the same plants that you gave me +rep for and said in the quote that they were "truly beautiful"? are you sure you are remembering the same pics? there were ABSOLUTELY no deficiencies in those plants. and the leaves were perfectly green on the cheisel and purple, red, yellow on the chemdawg which is strain specific to that pheno i had.

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apologies I was a confused as to pics....but truly dude you have hb down bad...solid for real dude and I know he makes nothing from dg except the excellent results he gets
 
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