So Called "Master Seed Breeders" Who Am Merely Combine Others Strains

ubermench

ubermench

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as far as I can see only Mandala seeds truely creates their own strains from landrace strains, they personally find from all over the world.all the rest just plagerize each others work or juggle each others pre-existant strains and then take credit for an all new strain .I guess we are all master seed breaders,every time we put 2 or more strains together.by the way,my own true f1 hybrids are better than any of the original parent strains i bought from the dutch.I curious to know if anyone else noticed this?also who teaches english to the dutch,its as though speed racer,and yoda tought these guys our language.nothing but run on sentences,and strange phrasiology.you'ld think they'ld proof read they're strain discriptions,or pay an intelligent person to write for them.again only mandala seems to grasp the rudiments of correct sintax.I guess its just a Dutch thing(jersey thing rrr).
 
Why is it a bad thing that breeders work with genetic lines selected by other breeders? It takes a whole lot more work than just crossing two plants to make some seeds, but even that isn't all that bad if you select a good, strong male to pollinate with. Years of experience and generations of test crosses and selections go into creating a strain. Using landrace strains is a great way to bring new genetics into the gene pool, but recombining the alleles of existing strains can bring out some incredible traits. Your f1 hybrids are probably exhibiting hybrid vigor.
 
Its just how it goes when 2 plants sex, you may not be a master breeder but you did just "breed" and the new offspring is considerd a new Hybrid or whatever...

usually 25%will be better 25%worse and 50 will be average...i know i like to keep seeds that get me high plant them and if they so happen to make seeds i keep the ones from the BETTER plants and continue the process. this is what i call "Ghetto breeding"

to be a master seed breeeder like your saying you need to invest alot of time and money and keep a real close watch on everything.
 
ubermench said:
as far as I can see only Mandala seeds truely creates their own strains from landrace strains....
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Do you have any experience with Mandala? I got a freebie safari mix and was not impressed with anything that those beans gave me. On the other hand, I was very impressed with the Serious Seeds that I ordered which is where my freebies came from.

While I agree with the gist of your post, there are breeders out there that are not just crossing crosses.
 
satori at thc28%yields more weed,is tougher against disease,bugs,mites,and mold,and anything i breed satori to looks like satori and has its potency increased ,ie nother lights satori & white widow satori.also mandala no1 has the rare property of actually turning truely purple unlike the urkle(deep purple) seedsmans purple bud,and the worst of the bunch purple widow!if a 21% true purple plant that smells like rasberry .both strains are from true landrace they actually created from their own genetics.my hat is off to them!!!
 
the reason its a bad thing to plagerize others work,(there are many)is that the strains become weaker and more and more alike no mater what you order,ww,nl,haze,sk no 1 ,bgum,blueberry,1 or all is in about everything offered and at some point they are just another juggling of the same tiered genetics!its nice to find something truely new and wonderful.
 
ubermench said:
the reason its a bad thing to plagerize others work,(there are many)is that the strains become weaker and more and more alike no mater what you order,ww,nl,haze,sk no 1 ,bgum,blueberry,1 or all is in about everything offered and at some point they are just another juggling of the same tiered genetics!its nice to find something truely new and wonderful.
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I totally agree. It's one thing to pollen-chuck on a personal level but it's another thing to do it commercially and promote the sh*t out of yourself. With a few exceptions, what we have these days are seed producers, not breeders.
 
ubermench said:
satori at thc28%yields more weed,is tougher against disease,bugs,mites,and mold,and anything i breed satori to looks like satori and has its potency increased ,ie nother lights satori & white widow satori.also mandala no1 has the rare property of actually turning truely purple unlike the urkle(deep purple) seedsmans purple bud,and the worst of the bunch purple widow!if a 21% true purple plant that smells like rasberry .both strains are from true landrace they actually created from their own genetics.my hat is off to them!!!
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There's plenty of plants that turn dark purple. Look up "Nightshade". Out here in the Bay everyone calls it "Sideshow". It turns 100% purple with fuschia undertones running throughout. From my knowledge it's also a sativa dominant strain.
 
i did look it up and it looked suspitiously alot like urkle.i'm trying g13's purple haze,so far its a vigorious plant,that clones well .but i've yet to smoke it and its not yet turning purple about 3wks into bud.i bought a single fem seed and got very lucky.i plan to breed it to mandala no.1 and to the purple urkle/bgum the 2 males currently available.i'm also breeding blueberrygum(g13) to urklegum i've got great hopes for both breedings!
 
I don't think people should be judged on the methods of breeding but on the results.

Not a fuck would be given if I found a bomb ass strain created by some Noob Half Ass Pollen Chucking RIU member. Strain before the Name baby.
 
RawBudzski said:
Not a fuck would be given if I found a bomb ass strain created by some Noob Half Ass Pollen Chucking RIU member. Strain before the Name baby.
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Pollen chucking F1 hybrids is not breeding, it's seed producing, but I know what you're saying.

EDIT: I should clairfy a little more. 'Closet breeding' can produce excellent results, but is that worth $10/seed? Usually those excellent results take a least 20 beans to find. Real commercial breeders sell packs of 10 and with stable strains (not to be confused with crosses), one can easily find a keeper in a 10 pack.
 
Theowl..Not so..When humans have kids not evey kid is the same but certain traits show in each one. The breeders will take 1000 seeds from a plant that shows big heavy buds then maybe they have one that has a smell they want. They will cross those take the babies and find the ones that carry a perfect mix of both. Then they cull out mayb 10 plants and breed them. Now some will be what is wanted some will have a variation known as a pheno type. Now they will take the ones exactly how they like and pollenate that or feminize it and then verify the seeds keep the trait. You will get some variations but eventually you get a plant that replicates its genes regularly and you have a stable strain...You do get an issue with some guys just pollanating another plant putting it out not refined and muddying the gene pool with genetic mutations. The larger breeders take advantage of other breeders best finds as the work is half done and they create their own variation or crosses from those. Its pretty complicated. I make my own fem seeds from strains I buy and that alone is a bit of work.
 
I'm so happy I found Mandala Seeds for my first grow. After reading through their site I knew it was the grower for me. In one interveiw they were in one of their greenhouses that contained one thousand selected and seeded mother plants. Sheesh.

Do yourselves a favor and read their site; http://www.mandalaseeds.com/.
 
It is inevitable this sort of thing happens. Happens in every other business or field. In a illegal field with no regulations, well it is several times as bad as legal businesses. Legalize it!
 
FilthyFletch said:
Theowl..Not so..When humans have kids not evey kid is the same but certain traits show in each one. The breeders will take 1000 seeds from a plant that shows big heavy buds then maybe they have one that has a smell they want. They will cross those take the babies and find the ones that carry a perfect mix of both. Then they cull out mayb 10 plants and breed them. Now some will be what is wanted some will have a variation known as a pheno type. Now they will take the ones exactly how they like and pollenate that or feminize it and then verify the seeds keep the trait. You will get some variations but eventually you get a plant that replicates its genes regularly and you have a stable strain...You do get an issue with some guys just pollanating another plant putting it out not refined and muddying the gene pool with genetic mutations. The larger breeders take advantage of other breeders best finds as the work is half done and they create their own variation or crosses from those. Its pretty complicated. I make my own fem seeds from strains I buy and that alone is a bit of work.
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As I said, if it's a stable strain, then they should all be keepers.
 
Theowl said:
As I said, if it's a stable strain, then they should all be keepers.
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They certainly could all be keepers but there will always be slight phenotype variation in stable strains and there will always be a 'best pheno' according to one's preferences. The key word when talking about 'stable strains' is uniformity. You're not guaranteed uniformity when buying seeds from a pollen-chucker.
 
ubermench said:
as far as I can see only Mandala seeds truely creates their own strains from landrace strains, they personally find from all over the world.all the rest just plagerize each others work or juggle each others pre-existant strains and then take credit for an all new strain .I guess we are all master seed breaders,every time we put 2 or more strains together.by the way,my own true f1 hybrids are better than any of the original parent strains i bought from the dutch.I curious to know if anyone else noticed this?also who teaches english to the dutch,its as though speed racer,and yoda tought these guys our language.nothing but run on sentences,and strange phrasiology.you'ld think they'ld proof read they're strain discriptions,or pay an intelligent person to write for them.again only mandala seems to grasp the rudiments of correct sintax.I guess its just a Dutch thing(jersey thing rrr).
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You are right about how most strains are created today, they are simple f1 crosses of existing strains from other breeders
it is a little bit like making music by sampling the songs of others, this does not mean that the results will be bad though

what is wrong with all this imo, is not the breeders or the "plagiarism" but the cheerleading fanboys who follow these chumps around in the first place putting breeders on a pedestal this is what creates the notion of master breeders
some of these breeders have and will admit to only using 50 plants to select from for breeding material LOL might as well forget natural selection then

i am not sure why you focus on mandala, who really are nothing more than "new kids on the block"
you should really of mentioned neville and shantibaba who between them are responsible
for more of the original genetics that is still used today in 100s of crosses than any other breeders

still none of this changes anything, since good weed is a personal preference, just like good music

peace :)
 
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