Greenhouses in Detroit? Possible?

[gladstoned]

My entire family is from Detroit's East side. The white flight was all of my family (and many others). I have lived in Detroit several times over the years and absolutely love Detroit. I miss Detroit. Detroit is fucked up. I know of entire neighborhoods and blocks that are vacant. People are putting up nice gardens and small crops. On a trip to Detroit recently I stopped at a dispensary by Gaylord and started talking with the owner about greenhouses and hydroponic greenhouses. I am talking food mainly. This guy said he grows thousands of tomato plants and lettuce and supplies a lot of East coast and gulf coast. So anyway, how possible is this to set up in Detroit and operate as non-profit and honestly help city and community as much as I possibly could.
Obviously there is a long long list of all the problems that would exist and I imagine this would be one of the most difficult places to do this. I am well aware of Detroit's self-destructive tendencies to anything new. Just wanted to discuss this with anyone interested.
I am a caregiver and I would 100% live in Detroit and grow my medicine in Detroit, this is not some front for a marijuana operation. I guess my intent can be confusing to some. I am not convinced top-shelf marijuana can be grown in a greenhouse in Michigan as opposed to indoors, but I am not against trying it. I am sure I wouldn't be able to grow marijuana in a greenhouse with vegetables for the public. Growing marijuana in a greenhouse is one topic, but I would like to discuss having vegetable green houses. For operating costs, being a Detroit company providing for stores, restaurants and with Eastern Market should be relatively easy with plenty for soup kitchens, church's, treatment centers, neighborhood etc.

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

Actually Detroit is rebounding well. Housing sales are up and business is gaining momentum. If you have a few millions dollars to spare then by all means build a greenhouse. Not many know this but Michigans 'Emerald Triangle'(SW Michigan) produce more annuals and bedding plants annually than any where else in the world........

 

[gladstoned]

I few million? lol. I don't want to farm out entire East side from grosse pointe farms to chrysler plant. lol. I am talking about buying a house and three four vacant lots to start with one greenhouse, continuously add. I am talking under $40,000 to start.

 

[squarefodder]

Actually Detroit is rebounding well. Housing sales are up and business is gaining momentum. If you have a few millions dollars to spare then by all means build a greenhouse. Not many know this but Michigans 'Emerald Triangle'(SW Michigan) produce more annuals and bedding plants annually than any where else in the world........

I agree with the above. You will need to buy a piece of property zoned for this type of operation. Then you have to build a greenhouse. It would be less expensive if you rented some farmland and did a summer grow with and without greenhouses (still requires a lot of cash flow).

http://www.recpropertiesforsale.com/9317056/Acres-Farm-Log-Barn barryton mi. cheap land and a place to live.

Take the profits and re invest each year until you could afford to buy in the city AND build a giant greenhouse. Then you have to deal with worrying having blocked sunlight from other buildings or even worse you buy a property in the city and years later construction obstructs sunlight. plus all the other variances and permits you will need. Its a lot of risk.

 

[squarefodder]

I few million? lol. I don't want to farm out entire East side from grosse pointe farms to chrysler plant. lol. I am talking about buying a house and three four vacant lots to start with one greenhouse, continuously add. I am talking under $40,000 to start.

can you do that in a residential area? tearing down a old house and rebuilding requires permits and time etc. buy cheap farm property

 

[gladstoned]

I own property in UP and could do a greenhouse here, no problem. I would like to help out east side though.

 

[st0wandgrow]

It's already happening glad.


http://www.mgmgranddetroit.com/press-room/press-releases-template.aspx?ID=1020

 

[gladstoned]

MGM bastards!!!!! Just kidding. lmao. This is happening all over the world, it doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, this may make it easier. Thanks for the link. I should have googled this shit. There is an organization called lifebuilders detroit that I was going to contact.

 

[FatMarty]

My entire family is from Detroit's East side. The white flight was all of my family (and many others). I have lived in Detroit several times over the years and absolutely love Detroit. I miss Detroit. Detroit is fucked up. I know of entire neighborhoods and blocks that are vacant. People are putting up nice gardens and small crops. On a trip to Detroit recently I stopped at a dispensary by Gaylord and started talking with the owner about greenhouses and hydroponic greenhouses. I am talking food mainly. This guy said he grows thousands of tomato plants and lettuce and supplies a lot of East coast and gulf coast. So anyway, how possible is this to set up in Detroit and operate as non-profit and honestly help city and community as much as I possibly could.
Obviously there is a long long list of all the problems that would exist and I imagine this would be one of the most difficult places to do this. I am well aware of Detroit's self-destructive tendencies to anything new. Just wanted to discuss this with anyone interested.
I am a caregiver and I would 100% live in Detroit and grow my medicine in Detroit, this is not some front for a marijuana operation. I guess my intent can be confusing to some. I am not convinced top-shelf marijuana can be grown in a greenhouse in Michigan as opposed to indoors, but I am not against trying it. I am sure I wouldn't be able to grow marijuana in a greenhouse with vegetables for the public. Growing marijuana in a greenhouse is one topic, but I would like to discuss having vegetable green houses. For operating costs, being a Detroit company providing for stores, restaurants and with Eastern Market should be relatively easy with plenty for soup kitchens, church's, treatment centers, neighborhood etc.

Terrible idea for one reason: The rightwing Rethugligans of Western Michigan and State government control the greenhouse industry in Michigan.
We would first need to wrest control of those laws and regs that favor the bad guys or they would screw it up and steal all of the money.

What about giving homesteads to immigrants in large swaths of abadoned land and give them seed money to build homes and farm the land itself?
You could have Black run farming communities and Mexican and Arab and Polish, etc.
Not everyone would need to be an immigrant; but the idea is to build small community based on a common theme and goal.

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

There is no such thing as "cheap" farmland......tilled acerage decreases every year in the US, making farmland a prime commodity......

 

[gladstoned]

Terrible idea for one reason: The rightwing Rethugligans of Western Michigan and State government control the greenhouse industry in Michigan.
We would first need to wrest control of those laws and regs that favor the bad guys or they would screw it up and steal all of the money.

What about giving homesteads to immigrants in large swaths of abadoned land and give them seed money to build homes and farm the land itself?
You could have Black run farming communities and Mexican and Arab and Polish, etc.
Not everyone would need to be an immigrant; but the idea is to build small community based on a common theme and goal.

Sorry I woke up really really early and an medicated pretty nicely. Could you please translate for me>

 

[squarefodder]

There is no such thing as "cheap" farmland......tilled acerage decreases every year in the US, making farmland a prime commodity......

yes there is considering where im from 35 acres for 135k is cheap lol.

 

[gladstoned]

... and a lot in Detroit is a few hundred in back taxes and for something like this they would probably had you land.

 

[abe supercro]

I own property in UP and could do a greenhouse here, no problem. I would like to help out east side though.

Michigan doesn't get a whole lot of sun light hours. The UP gets even less. Also the costs of heating a GH would be prohibitive.
With a GH you would be dealing w the health dept and inspectors galore if you wanted to produce food. Just think about all that cheap warehouse space in Dtown. Medical could be how you finance your dream. Keep the big ideas coming.

 

[gladstoned]

Michigan doesn't get a whole lot of sun light hours. The UP gets even less. Also the costs of heating a GH would be prohibitive.
With a GH you would be dealing w the health dept and inspectors galore if you wanted to produce food. Just think about all that cheap warehouse space in Dtown. Medical could be how you finance your dream. Keep the big ideas coming.

I am in the garden belt of UP and there are a lot of greenhouses - only in my area though. I was thinking about moving to Detroit and helping give to community though. I would want cheap commercial warehouse for medical. Just kinda thinking outloud and I know there are many aspects that I don't know about. Downtown is where its at too. As far as health department and inspectors - it's Detroit. lol. They have restaurants that do everything illegal including stealing the gas water and electric. lmao.
Thanks for input. Probably is pipe dream and I will stay here in the woods on my laptop. lol.

 

[kindfarms420]

glad im in the process of starting my own greenhouse business not by detriot but more north and there are many ways to alternative heat.. you may need to add supplemental lighting in the winter but you really only have to run them for about 4 hours a day 2 hours before it gets dark and 2 hours after it gets dark you will NOT need supplemental lighting if your only growing leafy greens and herbs and stuff in the winter but for fruiting crops you will... one really cool thing i learned that if its sunny outside in the winter it can be in the negative degrees but inside a UNHEATED greenhouse at somepoint in the day it will get too hot in the greenhouse and thats when you take that heat blow it into a large "lungroom" that stores the heat then when the greenhouse is cold you take the heat from the "lungroom" and blow it into the greenhouse.. you can also take tubing under the garden beds from the "lungroom" and blow heat down under the ground to keep the roots and ground from freezing.. dont go hydro hydro veggies suck ass and if you can grow a plant you can produce just as much off something organic in soil.. good luck man

 

[FatMarty]

Sorry I woke up really really early and an medicated pretty nicely. Could you please translate for me>

You need $10 million of liability insurance and a surity bond.
Or whatever they conjure up.

Point is the other flower growers already own that industry here and they are the Senator Jones of Michigan.
They want to grow all medical marijuana for michigan in ten greenhouse operations owned by their family and friends.
What we don't want are large scale operations that must be regulated tightly.
Unless you want to work for them.

 

[kindfarms420]

You need $10 million of liability insurance and a surity bond.
Or whatever they conjure up.

Point is the other flower growers already own that industry here and they are the Senator Jones of Michigan.
They want to grow all medical marijuana for michigan in ten greenhouse operations owned by their family and friends.
What we don't want are large scale operations that must be regulated tightly.
Unless you want to work for them.

i dunno where you need 10mill in insurance i sure as hell dont and im having my business up and running in the next month or two... and they can go ahead and grow the weed down there its gonna suck and be commercial grade or less if you grow good weed you can always get rid of it

 

[squarefodder]

glad im in the process of starting my own greenhouse business not by detriot but more north and there are many ways to alternative heat.. you may need to add supplemental lighting in the winter but you really only have to run them for about 4 hours a day 2 hours before it gets dark and 2 hours after it gets dark you will NOT need supplemental lighting if your only growing leafy greens and herbs and stuff in the winter but for fruiting crops you will... one really cool thing i learned that if its sunny outside in the winter it can be in the negative degrees but inside a UNHEATED greenhouse at somepoint in the day it will get too hot in the greenhouse and thats when you take that heat blow it into a large "lungroom" that stores the heat then when the greenhouse is cold you take the heat from the "lungroom" and blow it into the greenhouse.. you can also take tubing under the garden beds from the "lungroom" and blow heat down under the ground to keep the roots and ground from freezing.. dont go hydro hydro veggies suck ass and if you can grow a plant you can produce just as much off something organic in soil.. good luck man

good advice + rep

 

[FatMarty]

i dunno where you need 10mill in insurance i sure as hell dont and im having my business up and running in the next month or two... and they can go ahead and grow the weed down there its gonna suck and be commercial grade or less if you grow good weed you can always get rid of it

When this law first passed there proposals in Lansing to take over the growing and regulate it.
Those paying attention learned that the players were all well connected greenhouse industry biggies.

Once you start asking them for large scale pot growing you lose control if they agree.

But none of that shit matters anyway - you can't even begin to fix Detroit with it's land mass of abandoned and vacant properties equaling all of the property of NYC and Phily.
The city has more abandoned and derelict property than most other American cities have property!


Therefore you need to segment it and enable 'settlers' to resettle it in some way.
You might be able to do something like that if you invested in clearing land and passed legislation to make it possible.
Immigrants are often the hardest workers - and it would require people that would work - they also feel safer among their own until settled.
Look at Dearborn now, or the Hamtramack of old, or any number of other ethnic or social communities if you disbelieve me.
I just think it would be more managable to create enclaves that are expected to exert local control rather than try to rebuild that cesspool in one feel swoop.