How to survive prison?

[panhead]

This is the shit that freaks me out, right here. I'm 5'11", 175#. I have a feeling that's kinda small for jail/prison. I look younger than I am. I'm not a pretty boy, but I have a chiseled face. I'm slim, not very hairy, etc.

And around here, in SoCal, I've got a feeling the situation could be fairly dire....

I were going to jail, I think I'd spend my time before going in trying to get as jacked as possible (steroids, HGH, what the fuck ever....) learning the basics of how to defend myself (beyond playground bullshit) and re-learning Spanish so I'm not perceived as a total cracker. The Aryans wouldn't touch me, and I might rather die than ask them for help anyway. My self respect wouldn't survive if I did and that would be just as deadly.

Does that sound reasonably sane?


This is a fucked up question, but here goes: can you buy protection w/o opening yourself to extortion?

I cant speak for federal prisons as i was never in one, but i was in both the prisons in the video clips,both MR (gladiator school) & Jackson which is the largest walled prison in the United States,both places are real fucked up but in Jackson you can have somewhat a normal life,in MR its a fucking circus 24/7 & you never know whats gonna happen,all time there is hard time no matter who you are.

Like i said each man has to do his own time,it can go smoothly or very hard,its all about who you are & how you carry yourself, & if your able to really defend yourself & know when to do it,the first 90 days are the hardest,your put in whats called quarintine as soon as you get there,then after 30 days your put in general population,now your the new guy,everybody is looking at you,the thugs are looking for marks to squeeze,the rapists are looking for sissies to trick & the normal guys are looking at you because your new,everybody in the place is looking at you.

One thing i can tell you,if you went in & looked down upon, or in any small way disrespected The Brotherhood ,Muslims or any other set you'll be an instant target,the white set's will not give a shit less about you being jewish or any holocaust related issues,inside the prison's i was at either your part of a set or your a number, there is no in between.

As for paying a set for protection,that would be the worst thing anybody could ever do,just asking to be protected makes you that set's property,they will bleed you dry & take everything you have,talk to you like shit & threaten in front of the population so everybody will know whats up,your family will never be able to meet the ever increasing demands they will put on them & your life would be hell.

Learning spanish would be a waste of time,in real life out on the street the Spanish or Mexican community is a very tight nit group,they tend to stick to their own for the most part,inside its even worse.

It's a fucked up scene & it's different where ever you go,there is no real way to prepare except to have several people in your family be aware that they will need to bring you real money on visit day.

 

[Maccabee]

You thought i was being serious?

I was being sarcastic too.

Heh. OK, now we're even

 

[Maccabee]

Like i said each man has to do his own time,it can go smoothly or very hard,its all about who you are & how you carry yourself, & if your able to really defend yourself & know when to do it

Figuring that shit out, I'd imagine, would be the hard part for me.

One thing i can tell you,if you went in & looked down upon, or in any small way disrespected The Brotherhood ,Muslims or any other set you'll be an instant target,the white set's will not give a shit less about you being jewish or any holocaust related issues,inside the prison's i was at either your part of a set or your a number, there is no in between.

Nah, I've got no problem with the Brotherhood or the Muslims. They bother me less than the Aryans, that's what I'm saying. I don't think I could bring myself to join a neo-Nazi gang.

As for paying a set for protection,that would be the worst thing anybody could ever do,just asking to be protected makes you that set's property,they will bleed you dry & take everything you have,talk to you like shit & threaten in front of the population so everybody will know whats up,your family will never be able to meet the ever increasing demands they will put on them & your life would be hell.

That's about what I figured.

Learning spanish would be a waste of time,in real life out on the street the Spanish or Mexican community is a very tight nit group,they tend to stick to their own for the most part,inside its even worse.

Well, I know some Spanish and some scary looking motherfuckers have lightened up a little in the past when I've used it. And it might be useful just to understand what is said around you? But those are more individual situations, I guess. I would make sense for street groups and prison sets to be different.

It's a fucked up scene & it's different where ever you go,there is no real way to prepare except to have several people in your family be aware that they will need to bring you real money on visit day.

That's good practical advice. Cool.

 

[Azgrow]

well speakin for ab maccabe you couldn't be reconginzed as you have tanited blood in their eyes an would never be accepted...you could be one of our prags but thats as far as it goes....peace az

 

[40acres]

well speakin for ab maccabe you couldn't be reconginzed as you have tanited blood in their eyes an would never be accepted...you could be one of our prags but thats as far as it goes....peace az

I've never heard prag except on OZ.

The brotherhood are the aryans. And for the most part they just hate people inside the prison with them, not jews or gypsies.I wouldnt even tell them and they won't figure it out. Prisons not really all that bad once you get used to it.

 

[Maccabee]

I've never heard prag except on OZ.

The brotherhood are the aryans.....I wouldnt even tell them and they won't figure it out. Prisons not really all that bad once you get used to it.

Oh, OK. I thought he was referring to another Muslim group I hadn't heard of, named after the old MB that assassinated Gamal Nasser. Duh.

Yeah, then I have a 'problem' with the AB on a cultural level. Not that I'd go looking for trouble, you'd have to be phenomenally stupid. I just can't imagine joining to survive. Good to hear that it's not typically necessary.

This doesn't really fit under the same heading of survival, but do they place limits on your efforts to fill time? Like, restrict the correspondence courses available to you, prevent you from operating a small business from inside, etc? Maybe it varies from place to place?

Once you get survival sorted out, there's the time itself. I'd be interested to hear about how people dealt with that too.

EDIT:

This isn't quite on-topic, but I think some of you guys who have been inside might find it interesting.

Temporary Services: Prisoners' Inventions

Temporary Services and WhiteWalls Prisoners' Inventions. Distributed for WhiteWalls. 119 p., 79 line drawings. 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 2003
Paper $12.00 ISBN: 978-0-945323-02-0 (ISBN-10: 0-945323-02-6) Fall 2005

Imagine that your house spans six by nine feet, your mattress is just two inches thick, you are known to your neighbors by an identification number, and items most consider crucial to everyday existence are outlawed. How do inmates in prisons like this throughout the United States make such lives bearable?
In 2001, the artists' collective Temporary Services asked an incarcerated artist named Angelo to share with them the ways in which inmates adapt to their confinement. Angelo responded with over one hundred pages of meticulously detailed ink drawings and text. The resulting compilation, Prisoners' Inventions, is a unique guide to prison life, covering subjects ranging from how to cook a grilled cheese sandwich in a locker to how to chill a soda using a toilet. Many of the documented items—such as cigarette lighters, condoms, even alarm clocks—are considered contraband, and Angelo includes anecdotes describing their creation and use.
Already featured in Playboy, Harper's, Le Monde, and on This American Life, Prisoners' Inventions provides powerful testimony to life "on the inside" as it is endured by over two million individuals in the United States alone.

[B]TABLE OF CONTENTS[/B]
 Editorial Note 
Introduction 

[I]I. Home Furnishings[/I] 
Pillows 
Cell Door Stops 
Air Vent Covers 
Light Covers 
Work Tables 
Entertainment Center 
Contraband Radio 
Modesty Curtain 
Covered Wagon 

[I]II. Storage[/I] 
Shelves 
Hook Assembly 
Clothing Hanger 
Property Locker Organizers 
Ballpoint Pen Organizers 
Pencil Box 
Color Pencil Organizer 
Sanctuary 

[I]III. Clothing[/I] 
Heating Food with Cell Light 
Stingers (Immersion Heaters) 
Steamer-Cooker 
Hotpot 
Toilet Paper "Bombs" 
Cooking with Toilet Paper "Bombs" 
Using the Cell Property Locker as a Grill 
Cottage Cheese 
Extra Finger 

[I]IV. Dining[/I] 
Eating Off the Floor 
Toilet Paper Mache Cup 
The Tumbler 
Insulated Bag 
Cooling Drinks 
Salt and Pepper Shakers 

[I]V. Personal Maintenance[/I] 
In-Cell Workout Weight 
Doing Laundry 
Clotheslines 
Double-Edged Razor 

[I]VI. Bathing[/I] 
Sink Nozzle 
Shower Nozzle 
Bird Bathing 

[I]VII. Smoking[/I] 
General Information 
Conserving Paper Matches 
Reconditioned Cigarette Lighter 
Battery Cigarette Lighter 
Wicks 
Wick Vent 
Wall Socket Cigarette Lighters 
Electric Cigarette Lighter 
Cigarette Lighter with Water Resister 
Cigarette Lighter 
Candle 

[I]VIII. Recreation[/I] 
Pooling/Flooding 
Prophylactics 
Muff Bag 
Seagull Rocket 
A Fishing Tale 

[I]IX. Gaming[/I] 
Paper Mache Dice 
Dice Table 
Chess Board 

[I]X. Arts & Crafts[/I] 
Tattooing 
Picture Frames 
Palette 
Special Brushes 
Stipple Brushed Portraits 
Card Game 
Glossing Over 
House of Cards 
Hobby Hot Glue Dispenser and Cigarette Lighter 
Christmas Tree 
Coca-Cola Machine 

[I]XI. Little Extras[/I] 
Stationary 
Pets 
Wake-up Alarm 
Speakers/Audio Aids 
External Speaker 
Typewriter Ribbon Slitter 
Mini Lathe

I came across this book doing research on the interaction of culture and technology and read it in the library. It really drew me in. The ingenuity that's represented by these devices can be really impressive, as it their variation.

 

[SHOOT2KILL66]

65% of the people on this thread will be someones bitch in jail when there time comes lmao

 

[hashtumbler]

They come from all walks of life,black,brown,white,yellow,burgulars,rapists,thieve's,killers,con men,drug addicts,there's no rhyme or reason as to who these guys are or what their in for,the common denominator with all of them is they act like thugs,wanna be OG's,usually very obnoxious people in the way they present themselves & the way they approach others,always trying to front.

Pedophiles in prison are normally quite people.

We all know how a thug acts with their standard in your face bullshit,once you show any sign of weakness its their cue to take it to the next level.

In my country we call them (paedophiles) nonces, and they are segregated from normal prisoners. Have their own wing with the protection heads (guys that ask for protection off the screws for whatever reason)... nonces don't go into gen population, many that try are quickly found out. I sen a guy beaten half to death for having sex with a 14 year old girl. One time the screws turned their back on the yard while 5 guys beat the shit out of a kiddie fiddler (we call them that too)... he was clinging to the fence screaming for the screws to help. They twitched a couple of times but didn't turn around till the guy had a good beating...

I seen it lots of times... one time this guy was walking around the yard a known jail head usually in for real crime, although this time he was in for fiddling with his disabled sister in the bath. He was walking around the yard and guys would just walk past and punch him... he stand there say what the fuck? but then he'd get hit again by another guy. The whole yard was hissing at him as he eventually got taken off the yard.

We don't stand for rapists either. I remember this big black guy... the blacks didn't want to do it so it was left to the whites. 6 guys got him in the shower and he put up a good fight... even when the screws came to take him to protection he was screaming that he didn't want to go.

We don't like that shit in my country.

 

[ganji2]

So, if a guys trying to rape you right? And you kick his ass, and rape him, Would that make him our bitch?

 

[hashtumbler]

So, if a guys trying to rape you right? And you kick his ass, and rape him, Would that make him our bitch?

So you're actually imagining raping another guy?

 

[ganji2]

No, lol. I knew I would get that response though. Would he be considered a bitch in the eyes of other prisoners?

 

[hashtumbler]

No, lol. I knew I would get that response though. Would he be considered a bitch in the eyes of other prisoners?

Just stick with beating his ass... that should be enough so nobody will fuck with you again.

fuck man, i'm still laughing about this... is shit really that bad for you guys in the US?

The only places jail rapes happen in my country is in long term prisons... if you serving under 7 years, chances are you'll never get to one of those jails anyway. Sure the guys serving those sentences will pass through... and i been in a lot of times and only heard of a few rapes going down... always cell mate on cell mate, none of this gang shit we watch on the t.v from you guys in the US. A guy that moves like that in my country gets no respect... at least not in the normal jails.

 

[ganji2]

Yes, I suspect we have harder prisons than in your country.

 

[SHOOT2KILL66]

Any gay sex in are jails usually gets dealt with and they then have to go into the block with all the other sex offenders for there own protection ,
When you do time this side of the pond the the lads in there hate sex offenders and that stuff just wouldent happen ,Thats fcking sick man ...

Theres a big heroin problem in are jails even thou its not on are streets its in there the all smoke weed and come out addicted to sleeping pills or H , That is all purley through choice thou,
In are jails there is only 4 different types in there eather from the green side or the orange side , then theres all the hoods , these all just stay togeather and mix with each other to only in there tho
And Then theres the pervs, sex offenders they dont get to mix with others they do there time alone and get scolded at every chance given

If you live in the us dont grow weed man

 

[hashtumbler]

Yeah the heroin problem came in when they brought in the piss tests... heroin moves out of the system quicker.

Things was better back in the day. Talking about back in the day, old skool jungle playing on SS radio right now: SS Radio station |

SS

 

[SHOOT2KILL66]

Yeah the heroin problem came in when they brought in the piss tests... heroin moves out of the system quicker.

Things was better back in the day. Talking about back in the day, old skool jungle playing on SS radio right now: SS Radio station |

SS

Haha Some of the old timers swear to me that some of the best raves were in jail later 80,s early 90,s

 

[hashtumbler]

Haha Some of the old timers swear to me that some of the best raves were in jail later 80,s early 90,s

It's the truth... all the good mixes today are remixes of the old tunes...

Junglist Massive---- it's coming back in a big way.

SS

 

[JohnnyBravo]

So you're actually imagining raping another guy?

LOL.....What are you wearin right now

 

[ganji2]

^^^^^ Roflcopterz

 

[40acres]

Prison is not all about rape. There are valuble things to learn there. It is a rich source of first hand knowledge, as well as networking. Alot of you think you know the game and have your hustle down to a science. I can tell you that unless you have done time, you are missing something.
For example, I had a bunky named swelly mack. 45yr old black guy and really intimidating. Ran the Gangster disciples inside. I never once tried to come off as something i wasn't and that went well. I ended up being able to talk to the guy about everything from the CIA to steinbeck. He also schooled me on alot of straight gangster ways. That guy runs the GD out of KC as well and owns stores and bars. I, a white guy from an urban background, am now able to call him at his home when i am in town. Anything i want.
What I am trying to say is that, when you are surrounded by people that have the possibility of helping you, use what you can. There are indubidably people inside that have done what you want to do, and can tell you what you need to know.Fakes don't last long, so it is usually good information. You can also find people of a like mindset as yourself, and they can help you when you get out.
I came away from prison thinking of it as a basic training ground for the encouragable. It will change you.