Club T5

[OldGrowAddict]

Im not familiar with those bulbs (they're like t5's that are fused at the end right?) but I would think they would compare to 2 4ft t5 tubes @5500 lumens each. I use T5's and they work wonderfully for veg, nice short bushy plants w/ tight internodal distances. your 110w bulbs seem like they would compare to 4x 2ft t5's which would work well for 2 plants veg upto about 9"-12" HxW Those bulbs sound strong enough to grow, it just depends if they are tight/compact units that dont cover a large area, or if they are long enough to cover all the plants you want. Match their numbers up against t5's stats, if they're comparable (they sound like they are) then they'll grow fine. 6500k for vegging. Im pretty sure you meant 2500k earlier not 25000k. the 2500k will appear very orange and is better for flowering, but still has a useable spectrum for vegging. when you're choosing a spectrum for vegging, I would go 3/4 or 2/3 6500k to 2500k bulbs. if you're only getting 1 or 2 bulbs just get 6500k's. both those bulbs have blue/green/orange(very little useable red) just the 6500k will be heavier in blue and the 2500k will be heavier in orange. neither have any useable red, which is why many fail at flowering using fluoros, it is difficult to find bulbs that provide useable red wavelengths (orange is not really that great for photosynthesis)

Assuming they're comparable to t5's, I find good response down to about 18" from my tubes (I try to keep the tubes w/in 3-6" of the tops as they dont create much heat) So they dont start to outgrow my t5's until they're about 18" tall.

hope this helped

It did, greatly. Thanks!
I wasn't able to give rep, don't know why.
http://vimg.iflex.no//CompressImage.aspx?height=257&width=250&FileName=ProductImage/2x55wcflvekst000346.jpg
I was told PL-L is like T5 tubes but half length because they are bent like that. Don't know why they sell only 6500K and 25000K (or one of each), or why this is unusual.

Dimensions are: 59x20x5 cm(inches: 23.6 x 8 x 2).

I did mean 25000K, take a look at the unit for yourself (it does look like PL-L to me?, but the reflector looks cheap):

 

[Beta420]

Idea to maximize 4' T5?

Just some creative exploration here: for a 1-3 plant personal grow under 6 or 8 tube 4 footers -- what if you planted in rectangular trays say 8" deep x 12" wide by 4' long that ran the length of the light. Plant seedling at one end and LST the heck out of her to literally pull branches horizontally the length of the tray horizontally. Rather than grow up and suffer the inverse square effect you could keep light at same close distance for the entire plant. I'm thinking you could top 1 or 2 times and try to encourage a few long mains to run the entire length of the tray.

Youd Get the entire plant equidistant from the light. Like a scrog but using all the advantages of the long t5 bulbs. Get right down on top of those ladies their entire length

Thoughts?

If this seems valid imma lay another twist on this that came to me as I was thinking about this some more....


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[Undercover Cop]

I did mean 25000K, take a look at the unit for yourself (it does look like PL-L to me?, but the reflector looks cheap):

damn yeah you're right, 25k. I was gonna mention that 20k and above are basically your actinics but still a triband phosphor like the 6500k's, just a much heavier blue blend that evens out at the average kelvin temp. That pic looks like it might have a decent red output tho... hmmm. see if you can contact the mfg for a SPD for their bulbs to see what the light is comprised of. It IS possible that the 25000k's may have more useable red light than the 6500k's. Those have a very similar hue to gro-lux and other plant growth bulbs. Those actually may be better. And true the reflectors look cheap, but they have decent output for their compact size, maybe get one of each bulb for the fixture (2 total bulbs?) If whats in the pic is 2" long, I'd say it would be fine for 2 plants up to 14-18"H. how much are they, you could get a 4 bulb t5 for $70 which would be about the same as far as I could tell with a bigger selection of bulbs and ability to use 4 different bulbs. Im not trying to push the t5's, cuz it does look pretty nice, but I dont think they'd be as common as t5's for replacement selection.

oh, you gotta have over 100rep pts yourself before you can give rep, might be the reason. unless it said you have to wait. I know if you give rep before you have any yourself it doesnt actually count lol. keeps the turds with 2 accounts from repping themself back and forth

 

[Undercover Cop]

That resin thought it sdisgusting.
Why don't you clone? Then you would have endless growing depending on your choices.

And where I can I find pictures of this brtick?

I even broke some off to make it exactly 28g, that cut is smooth as marble lol (I originally had a qp of it, but didnt take a pic till it was wittled down to this. luckily its not usually this bad.



This is just a collection that has accumulated from scraping out my stem, and is kept around for dire emergencies lol. yes it tastes like ass to smoke, but it can give you a buzz enough to fall asleep when you're dry. And its MUCH bigger now, prob closer to 80-90g lol.

I will be cloning now that I am growing and have good genetics (check my sig). Im mid cure on my first plant since starting up again so I dont need to buy this anymore, and I never cloned before because my only seed supply was from this crap... no need to clone this lol. Long story why, but I finally have decent genetics and will be cloning. no more cartel brick for me

(sorry if I already posted these pic in this thread, I dont remember if I did here already)

 

[PetFlora]

The problem we have with T5s is getting them in the 660 range. Now I did pick up ONE FloroSun ($22+ tax) 2 days ago (they only had one), and went to several stores today in search of another- none to be had.

If you had say 2 @ 4 bulb fixtures you could put one or 2 of these 660s (see link below) in between, during flower. Wish I didn't have an 8 bulb, now.

90w UFO all 660s ($135!): http://www.ledwholesalers.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=399

Closet for seedlings/clones The cabinet is 2 x 2 x 5; fully lined with ref Mylar. Sockets in 4 corners midway up/down for side/underside cfl lighting + my 2+ yo UFO 90 hanging from the top. I picked up a 50 watt uvb reptile bulb to add to in one corner. Damn it was $18. Got it on a separate timer 4 hrs per day (12-4).

 

[jtrimbl3]

Will there be a substantial difference if i dont use a little bit of the blue spectrum while flowering? i have all 2900k tubes but i see a lot of others mix a little bit. ???

 

[Beta420]

Bueller...Bueller. Anyone?

Idea to maximize 4' T5?

Just some creative exploration here: for a 1-3 plant personal grow under 6 or 8 tube 4 footers -- what if you planted in rectangular trays say 8" deep x 12" wide by 4' long that ran the length of the light. Plant seedling at one end and LST the heck out of her to literally pull branches horizontally the length of the tray horizontally. Rather than grow up and suffer the inverse square effect you could keep light at same close distance for the entire plant. I'm thinking you could top 1 or 2 times and try to encourage a few long mains to run the entire length of the tray.

Youd Get the entire plant equidistant from the light. Like a scrog but using all the advantages of the long t5 bulbs. Get right down on top of those ladies their entire length

Thoughts?

If this seems valid imma lay another twist on this that came to me as I was thinking about this some more....


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[C.Indica]

Check this out. 90w UFO all 660s ($135!): http://www.ledwholesalers.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=399

We do not appreciate this, don'tcomeback with that crap.

 

[PetFlora]

We do not appreciate this, don'tcomeback with that crap.

My bad. I forgot to tell why I posted this (will also edit above). I am a T5 member in good standing. You can see all my posts on Pr0fs thread. The problem we have with T5s is getting them in the 660 range. Now I did pick up ONE FloroSun ($22+ tax) 2 days ago (they only had one), and went to several stores today in search of another- none to be had. If you had 2 @ 4 bulb bulb fixtures you could put one or 2 of these 660s in between, during flower. I did pick up a 50 watt uvb reptile bulb to add to my small starter closet. Damn it was $18

 

[mudminer]

Hi everybody,I've spent the afternoon reading this thread and honestly am impressed with what you've shown t5s to be capable of in the proper hands. At the risk of sounding ridiculous I'm wondering if anyone might be able to answer a ? concerning a thought that came to me in regards to how plants would react to lighting from below the canopy say between the stalk bases to allow for better development of lower growth. I'm not a lazy person but my back and hip conditions will prevent me from giving proper attn. to a scrogged canopy and thought that if it's at least a plausible idea, it may help me obtain better yeilds as painlessly as possible. If there are any thoughts on this they would be appreciated and thanx so much for the thread. It's been very enlightening.

 

[Undercover Cop]

Hi everybody,I've spent the afternoon reading this thread and honestly am impressed with what you've shown t5s to be capable of in the proper hands. At the risk of sounding ridiculous I'm wondering if anyone might be able to answer a ? concerning a thought that came to me in regards to how plants would react to lighting from below the canopy say between the stalk bases to allow for better development of lower growth. I'm not a lazy person but my back and hip conditions will prevent me from giving proper attn. to a scrogged canopy and thought that if it's at least a plausible idea, it may help me obtain better yeilds as painlessly as possible. If there are any thoughts on this they would be appreciated and thanx so much for the thread. It's been very enlightening.

SIDE lighting is very effective to help develop lower growth, but lighting the underside wont be effective since most (not all, but most) of the chlorophyll and photoreceptors are on the top of the leaves. You'll notice the top is a deep green and the underside is lighter and more rough textured, thats where the plant absorbs nutrients from the air and water. And some people trim the large fan leaves (Im guilty myself) to allow light to penetrate to the lower buds. However Ive since learned the leaves are basically the energy factories that feed the buds, buds dont use the light, infact the resin and trichomes are natural sunblock to protect the more delicate flowers from intense light. So dont worry about getting light onto the buds themselves, but putting a cfl hanging from a socket down between plants or into any unused space will definately help since most leaves will hang/droop down at an angle that will allow them to use light at a sideways angle, but the light shining up will be wasted on the undersides, and may actually cause them stress or to respond defensively against the light.

If you're growing indica's for your pain, if you top them they should be relatively small at harvest compared to sativa's. And T5's are accused of having low penetration, but if you keep the bulbs within 2-3" of your tallest cola, then your lower branches should still be within range (down to about 18") to recieve energy from the lights. With T5's its important to keep your healthy fan leaves and not trim them off, they help to scavenge all available light from all the angles the T5's provide it at (up to 180deg for plants in the center of the fixture)

 

[mudminer]

Thanks Undercovercop.Thats what I needed. Im not ready to do this yet (still live in a non-med state) but trying to have a plan in place for immediate post relocation to CO in future. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Been considering led (for some reason in my heart I really want that tech to work) but until it can at a competitive price, after seeing and reading what I did in here yesterday afternoon I think I can set up a 2-3oz/mo. grow staying within legal plant limits using t5s, t5s and a couple more t5s. Especially with the quality of and willingness to help of the folks Ive coresponded with here so far. Thanx so much again. Take care.

 

[Undercover Cop]

Thanks Undercovercop.Thats what I needed. Im not ready to do this yet (still live in a non-med state) but trying to have a plan in place for immediate post relocation to CO in future. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Been considering led (for some reason in my heart I really want that tech to work) but until it can at a competitive price, after seeing and reading what I did in here yesterday afternoon I think I can set up a 2-3oz/mo. grow staying within legal plant limits using t5s, t5s and a couple more t5s. Especially with the quality of and willingness to help of the folks Ive coresponded with here so far. Thanx so much again. Take care.

youre very welcome, most are here to help (most)

of course it depends on your budget, but an 8 bulb fixture, $150-$270 and the right bulbs will give you coverage for 4 good squatty indica's. plus a 4bulb for vegging, then a 2ft 4bulb for cloning... you could do that for $320 with you're choice of bloom/grow/10k/ActinicBlue bulbs... I dunno about pulling a certain yield with that combo, but you certainly could grow from clone thru harvest with that setup running perpetual (4 flower, 4 veg +4 rooting clones. = 12 legal limit in AZ, which is quite low for MMJ states... CA allows 100!)

 

[48martin]

I am so excited that there is a topic for T5 users.. This is great and the info so far is even better. Thank you to those who have contributed and made it easier for those trying to supply their own meds.
Im subscribed!

 

[HSA]

Hey guys: I'm no longer bitchin' about not covering more than the area of my fixture in my tent. I went to the hydro store Saturday prepared to part with the cash for an eight tube fixture four feet long and the salesman pointed out something I should have thought of myself. The eight tube fixture was about $250 and would cover all of my tent. It's 2' by 4'. Another four tube fixture was $140. He suggested I get another four tube fixture four feet long and plug it into my first fixture, then I would cover the whole 2' by 4' area of my tent.

Obviously he doesn't get a commission or he would have surely steered me the other way. Two fours use the same amount of electricity as the eight tube model and might give me even more flexibility. If I have a smaller grow I can position it under one fixture and when it gets bigger I can go with both. I set it up Sunday and it lights up my tent like a used car lot. What do you think? HSA

 

[C.Indica]

Badass, you couldeven tiltthetwo fixtures like 10 degrees to make a"teepee" oflight.
Don't know how to describe this other than "^"

 

[mudminer]

youre very welcome, most are here to help (most) of course it depends on your budget, but an 8 bulb fixture, $150-$270 and the right bulbs will give you coverage for 4 good squatty indica's. plus a 4bulb for vegging, then a 2ft 4bulb for cloning... you could do that for $320 with you're choice of bloom/grow/10k/ActinicBlue bulbs... I dunno about pulling a certain yield with that combo, but you certainly could grow from clone thru harvest with that setup running perpetual (4 flower, 4 veg +4 rooting clones. = 12 legal limit in AZ, which is quite low for MMJ states... CA allows 100!)

Well, CO allows only 6 plants with a 2oz (smokeable) pos. limit per patient. I can get beautiful , healthy, multi-nodal (5-6) clones for $10 apiece. At that price and quality I'm willing to forgo that portion of the grow in favor keeping plants in veg & flower for me & wifey. That gives me 12 total. I can replace havested plants immediately with new clones while staying within limits.Im thinking of at least 2 4x8 fixtures for veg at 1 fixture per month for height adjustments (Ill b needing larger plants to achieve goal of 2-3oz/mo) and a 2 stage flower as well with a 4x8 set above and a 4x4 set on 2 sides at both stages. I may need to bust out an old welding helmet for working in this thing.heheheh. I'll customize tube sets per inspiratio from you and then its air flow and super soil expenses and Im off. I realize its going to b pricey to initiate this set up but I also think I can make it pay off by being in total control of my meds. I wont have pics to post for a while yet but yous guys will be hearing from me from time to time til then. Thanx again to all of you and KNOW Ill b lurking and admiring. Thanx again to all for this kickass thread. Much peace and happy growing.

 

[truepunk87]

Just wanna say I'm glad this thread is still going. A lot of information on this thread anyays, ill be gone for a few months and will be back in July with a s.o.g or scrog grow... haven't decided yet. Here's a few pics of my slog clone finishing up and my buddy's bagseed plant my wife will finish for me.... see you guys soon. Peace




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[Noahp123]

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[Undercover Cop]

Hey guys: I'm no longer bitchin' about not covering more than the area of my fixture in my tent. I went to the hydro store Saturday prepared to part with the cash for an eight tube fixture four feet long and the salesman pointed out something I should have thought of myself. The eight tube fixture was about $250 and would cover all of my tent. It's 2' by 4'. Another four tube fixture was $140. He suggested I get another four tube fixture four feet long and plug it into my first fixture, then I would cover the whole 2' by 4' area of my tent.

Obviously he doesn't get a commission or he would have surely steered me the other way. Two fours use the same amount of electricity as the eight tube model and might give me even more flexibility. If I have a smaller grow I can position it under one fixture and when it gets bigger I can go with both. I set it up Sunday and it lights up my tent like a used car lot. What do you think? HSA

absolutely, Ive said it for awhile now since I have both the Radiion 8bulb fixture (clone of the sunblaze model) and 2 four bulb fixtures... you'd def be better off paying the 50$extra to get two fixtures over the one 8bulb, you can hang the 4 bulb panels at opposing angles to cover more on the sides and lower. as well as being able to adjust them independently to better cover the canopy. Thats rare for a salesdude to give the good advise, but Im with him, you'll have more options with better efficiency going with the two. good call!


edit... lol wrote this ^^^ post while my older pics were being posted simultaneously in the prev post lol, nice, but yeah just like I have em facing each other under the 400wHPS (If I had the extra$ I would swap out that HPS for another 8 bulb for the flowering box... prob will soon too Then the single 8 bulb over 4veggers... no complaints from me, nice tight internodes and thick foliage, no light burn, no stress (and those were ALL from shitty mexican seeds like what I would get from that lump of shit I posted pics of previously)


updated pics Jan28