Highest THC Content?

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
any seed bank showing higher than low 20 for thc is full of it. they are missleading us by adding all cannabinoids and the precurser acids. after 30 years of this ive yet to see a true thc number alone of more that 20%...THC aln0oe notice..not total cannabinoids., theres more to it than THC,you want hi THC then cut from week 5 to 6. thats when we peek in THC. then it degrades at is roipens but we get cbd and cbn after this and is more important to the hi than thc is
bro, you should've looked at Full Spectrum's library before they closed. There are varieties that can test over 20% THC (this is delta-9-THC post decarboxylation just like when we smoke).

My top test so far was 19.6% and that was some bullshit genetics. My Vortex is probably at 20 or higher. The extract tested at 60%.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
HPLC and gc/ms both test in different ways to test the same thing only HPLC usually gives higher numbers because it adds the THC and THCA together for the final percentage not taking into account the degradation of cannabinoids when heated as if it were being smoked or cooked for consumption.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
bro, you should've looked at Full Spectrum's library before they closed. There are varieties that can test over 20% THC (this is delta-9-THC post decarboxylation just like when we smoke).

My top test so far was 19.6% and that was some bullshit genetics. My Vortex is probably at 20 or higher. The extract tested at 60%.
What's your yield on the extract?
 

RPsmoke420

Active Member
any seed bank showing higher than low 20 for thc is full of it. they are missleading us by adding all cannabinoids and the precurser acids. after 30 years of this ive yet to see a true thc number alone of more that 20%...THC aln0oe notice..not total cannabinoids., theres more to it than THC,you want hi THC then cut from week 5 to 6. thats when we peek in THC. then it degrades at is roipens but we get cbd and cbn after this and is more important to the hi than thc is
Any seedbank advertising any thc percentage is full of it. There is no way to absolutely know all variables that go into play. Period.

Much more to it then simply THC, and is often referred to as the "Entourage effect". Not just the other trace cannabinoids, but also terpenoids may play a role in the experience each of us have.

All strains are different as far as peek THC. In fact, different parts of the plants contain slightly different percentage points. Another interesting thing, was Harlequin (generally high CBD) displayed it's high CBD traits early in vegetive stage. Still only trace amounts, but the fact it is detectable that early, may save breeders years. Also, cannabinoids were tested throughout the flowering stage. CBD peaked in weak 8, but THC and flower development did not peak until weak 10. Suggesting THC peaks later then CBD, at least in that one instance.

We are just beginning to get a grasp, I think.

and if they use a gas chromatography then its a bunk reading because of the heat. liquid is the only true reading
I wouldn't go that far. GC is the gold standard and the recognized method in the scientific community. That said, HPLC has most definitely found it's niche.

My personal opinion, GC results offer a closer representation of cannabinoids when smoked. To smoke, or vaporize cannabis, we apply heat.
HPLC would then give a better understanding of unheated cannabis, or 'as-is'. This might give a better representation for your edibles and topical rubs.

Of course, nothing is that simplistic. Both a great tools, to find slightly different results.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
IDK, crap Im sure. I don't even keep the non-full melt grades, they go out the back door.

Which goes to show you that if you tested the hash in bulk it would be much lower and even if your bud was 25% resin by weight it would be impossible for the bud to be 20% by weight thc being that there is a minimal amount of THC in the actual plant matter as it is most prevalent in the resin.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Which goes to show you that if you tested the hash in bulk it would be much lower and even if your bud was 25% resin by weight it would be impossible for the bud to be 20% by weight thc being that there is a minimal amount of THC in the actual plant matter.
phahahaha, you are such a troll, that was funny. i dont know why i even bother.... cant lead this stoned horse to save his life. that doesnt even make sense. i don't know where to start.

FAILTALITY!

You obviously don't know anything about this topic so I'll just LOL and let you do your thing. Look up my results they are published in Kush magazine son. Maybe do some research and take a college course, then come back here and apologize for being so uninformed. Yeah, you are right and all the labs are wrong. This guy, LOLZ

FAILTALITY!!!!!

http://issuu.com/kushdailybuds/docs/kushnocal_july11

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stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
How about you stop trying to invent words and logically think what it means if the different grades of hash have different THC contents and think about the highest yield on your hash. Does it not make sense that the crap you throw out has a lower thc percentage than your refined hash and also accounts for a good portion of the weight you are getting from the extraction? Would your THC percentage not be lower if you tested all grades of hash in bulk? If hash holds the majority of THC in a plant, which it does, then logically THC % is not based on % of weight of plant material. Let's even say your bulk material tested at 40% instead of the 60% in your refined hash, even if the herb was 30% hash by weight it would mean that your plant material by weight would only be 12-15% by weight THC and those are some ridiculous numbers to be hitting, 30% yield and 40% THC on bulk hash is unheard of.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
obvioulsy alot here dont actualy do the testing themselves and have alot of missinformation. why would anyone need to know what the afetr smoked thc content is.??. i want to know before as a raw medicine so i know what to treat with it. using heat to test isnt getting accurate medicine answers to me. not sure how a plant has peek thc at 8 week when most are a 7 week harvest.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
Testing with heat is like smoking it or heating during the cooking process HPLC doesn't account for cannabinoid degradation do to this and doesn't help you in any way understand the potency more than GC.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
phahahaha, you are such a troll, that was funny. i dont know why i even bother.... cant lead this stoned horse to save his life. that doesnt even make sense. i don't know where to start.

FAILTALITY!

You obviously don't know anything about this topic so I'll just LOL and let you do your thing. Look up my results they are published in Kush magazine son. Maybe do some research and take a college course, then come back here and apologize for being so uninformed. Yeah, you are right and all the labs are wrong. This guy, LOLZ

FAILTALITY!!!!!

http://issuu.com/kushdailybuds/docs/kushnocal_july11

^^^ READ

The THC % will refer to the fact that THC accounts for the total peak area recorded in the chromatogram under the those specific method conditions.Two Peaks produced may have similar heights or areas but if the the response/unit concentration is not identical for each compound producing that peak they will not represent the same mass. You cannot equate it to a percentage by mass unless you can quantify each peak against a pure standard. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. You did study this in college didn't you? I'm really thrilled about you being in Kush magazine, it seems to be one of the most prestigious publications out there, lol.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
No it's not, it's impossible to say a line of seeds has a consistent thc %. Even the % can be debated depending on the type of test, testing conditions, the variables used in the test, and the competency of the person evaluating the test.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
the whole thing is a joke anyways when we cant do 2 grows the same in a row anyways. and we also dont have the rooms they do for the 1 grow they tested their on.
not sure i understood the post 292?..does that say there is calabrating standard to test against?..yes there is if thats what it meant.
i still dont get why we want the result from smoked weed?. its less potent cause the most the thc was killed off. using heat isnt accurate to the true weed content at all
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
Because it simulates the smoking of marijuana and what you actually consume. As to you not being able to understand post 292 I didn't figure most people would and why I tried other ways to express my point. As for a pure standard, no they don't have one. They would need a pure standard for every compound found in cannabis and they don't.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
lmao, that last sentence is very misinformed.

Gas chromatography for flowers and concentrates

Liquid chromatography for edibles and ingestibles, ingestibles reports also include THCA and CBDA levels
It’s all about sample preparation

When it comes to medicinal cannabis testing, the quality of the test is completely dependent on the quality of the sampling from harvest to lab.

It starts with the grower. A sample that represents the product as a whole must be selected. This means:

Choosing multiple flower clusters for the lab sample
Each grow area should be sampled
If possible, flowers from all sections of the grow are preferred for the most accurate results
Clean sample containers are to be used
It continues at the collective and the lab. Utensils are kept scrupulously clean between sample preparations to ensure no cross-contamination.

Highly accurate analytical balances are used to weigh the samples to ensure a precision result

Samples are extracted in containers certified for cleanliness using solvent certified for purity.

Actual weight versus dry weight
The results from Pure Analytics are expressed in percent weight of the purchased product.
Some labs express their results in recent dry weight.
Pure Analytics results are fair to the consumer; you want to know how much active ingredient is in each gram of what you buy, not each gram of 0% moisture product- that’s not what you’re buying!
In addition, if not performed by experienced chemists using the proper equipment, one can actually change the amount of cannabinoid present by handling or heating the medicine too much before testing.

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stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
So your telling me there is a pure standard for every compound found in cannabis? Seeing as they are still discovering cannbinoids I find it hard to believe they a standard for something they don't know exists or even the ones they can't test for. If your going to say I'm wrong you could at least explain your position as to why.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Cannabinoid Information
“Cannabinoids refers to a group of substances that are structurally related to Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or that bind to cannabinoid receptors. The term cannabinoids also refers to a unique group of secondary metabolites found in the cannabis plant, which are responsible for the plant's peculiar pharmacological effects.”(1).

“Mechoulam and Gaoni (1967) defined “cannabinoids” as a group of C21 terpenophenolic compounds uniquely produced by cannabis. The subsequent development of synthetic cannabinoids (e.g., HU-210) has blurred this definition, as has the discovery of endogenous cannabinoids (e.g., anandamide), defined as “endocannabinoids” by DiMarzo and Fontana (1995). Thus, Pate (1999) proposed the term “phytocannabinoids” to designate the C21 compounds produced by cannabis.”(2)
There are many different cannabinoids and terpinoids present in a sample of cannabis, however only the main cannabinoids have been linked to pharmacological activity so far. “The main cannabinoid types that are usually detected in each breeding strain or cultivar of cannabis are THC, CBD, CBN, CBG and CBC. However, there can be an enormous variation in their quantitative ratios.”(3). THCV is now also considered to be a main cannabinoid.

“In fresh cannabis plant material, THC is predominantly present in the form of its acidic precursor THC-acid (THCA). Under the influence of heat or storage, THCA can be converted into free THC.”(4). This statement about the acidic precursor is also true regarding CBD, CBG, CBC, and THCV as well. The test kit not only reveals the cannabinoids in their neutral/active form, it reveals the acidic cannabinoids in their natural form as well. “Cannabinoids are enzymatically biosynthesized in the plant as their corresponding carboxylic acid forms (Taura et al., 2007). Neutral cannabinoids are formed via decarboxylation (loss of CO2) of the acidic cannabinoids during exposure to light, heat (e.g. smoking), or as a result of prolonged storage (Thakur et al., 2005). Cannabinol (CBN) is the most common oxidative degradation product of Δ9-THC found in aged cannabis (Fig. 1) (McPartland and Russo, 2001).”(5).

Studies have determined that the acidic precursor of the neutral cannabinoids have important pharmacological properties as well. “The therapeutic value of the acidic cannabinoid THCA as an immuno-modulating agent has only been discovered very recently [Verhoeckx, 2006], and its effect has been patented. Examples like these show that the study of medicinal cannabis should include the whole array of cannabinoids present, as far as possible [McPartland, 2001]. The therapeutic potential of cannabinoids can be further clarified by pointing out the central physiological importance of the endocannabinoid system, and its homology to, and interaction with the endorphin system. In addition to the role as modulator of food intake, the cannabinoid system is involved in several physiological functions and might be related to a general stress-recovery system. This variety of effects was concisely summarized by Di Marzo et al. [1998], who stated that cannabinoids help you 'feel less pain, control your movement, relax, eat, forget (posttraumatic), sleep, and protect your neurons.”(6)
“The most commonly used method for analysis of cannabinoids is gas chromatography [Raharjo, 2004]. But because this method is based on heating of sample components, it converts acidic cannabinoids present in the sample into their decarboxylated counterparts. Therefore, GC analysis is not suitable for the determination of the authentic composition of the cannabinoids in the plant.”(7)
“The primary constituent of cannabis, THC, is approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for oral administration as appetite stimulant in the case of anorexia associated with weight loss in patients with HIV/AIDS.”(8) The other main cannabinoids have also been found to hold medicinal value. For example, “CBD provides antipsychotic benefits (Zuardi et al. 1995). It increases dopamine activity, serves as a serotonin uptake inhibitor, and enhances norepinephrine activity (Banerjee et al. 1975; Poddar and Dewey 1980). CBD protects neurons from glutamate toxicity and serves as an antioxidant, more potently than ascorbate and α-tocopherol (Hampson et al. 1998).”(9)
“The human body possesses specific binding sites on the surface of many cell types for cannabinoids, and our body produces several endocannabinoids, fatty acid derivatives that bind to these cannabinoid receptors (CB) and activate them. CB receptors and endocannabinoids together constitute the endocannabinoid system...To date two cannabinoid receptors have been identified, the CB1, and the CB2 receptor. They differ in signaling mechanisms and tissue distribution.”(10)
“CB1 receptors regulate pain perception, cardiovascular functions, gastrointestinal functions, steroid and hypothalamic hormone regulation, and reproduction. CB2 receptors seem to be involved in immuno-regulatory functions because of the relatively high level of expression in immune cells and tissues as well as the effects observed by compounds that interact with CB2 receptors. The endocannabinoid system undergoes tissue specific changes in response to pathological conditions (Di Marzo and De Petrocellis, 2006). The number of physiological functions mediated by the cannabinoid receptor system makes it a highly attractive system to study for medicinal purposes both with the use of natural ligands and synthetically derived ligands.....CBD is also now under considerable investigation as a medicinal agent due to its numerous pharmacological activities and unlike THC, CBD does not exhibit psychoactive effects. Experimental evidence indicates that CBD may be useful as a neuro-protective agent,
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an axiolytic, an anti-psychotic, and an anti-emetic agent. CBD may also be useful against autoimmune diseases such as type-1-diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis” (Mechoulam et al., 2007). ...Numerous researchers cite the importance of the plethora of chemical components found in Cannabis and preparations derived from Cannabis and the potential implications it may have on not only improving the therapeutic effect of the drug for a particular condition but also for alleviating the potential side effects caused by the main active ingredients in Cannabis such as THC (McPartland and Pruitt, 1999; McPartland and Russo, 2001b).” (11)
“The use of herbal marijuana as a medicine is here to stay. Both its safety and efficacy have been well established through much anecdotal and clinical experience.”(12)
Sources:
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid 2) Cannabis and Cannabis Extracts: Greater Than the Sum of Their Parts? John M.
McPartland, Ethan B. Russo
3) Cannabis; extracting the medicine, Arno Hazekamp, pg 15 Thesis, Leiden University
4) Cannabis; extracting the medicine, Arno Hazekamp, pg 32 Thesis, Leiden University
5) A Qualitative and Quantitative HPTLC Densitometry Method for the Analysis of Cannabinoids in Cannabis sativa L.-Justin Fischedick
6) Cannabis; extracting the medicine, Arno Hazekamp, pg 19 Thesis, Leiden University
7) Cannabis; extracting the medicine, Arno Hazekamp, pg 92 Thesis, Leiden University
8) Review on clinical studies... Hazekamp/Grotenhermen pg 16 9) Cannabis and Cannabis Extracts: Greater Than the Sum of Their Parts? John M.
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10)Cannabinoids and the Endocannabinoid System Franjo Grotenhermen Cannabinoids Vol 1, No 1, September 17, 2006
11)The Cannalogues: Thesis-Justin Fischedick Leiden University 2008 12)On the Future of cannabis as medicine. Thesis: Lester Grinspoon-Harvard
Medical School pg 1


THE BOLD WORDS ARE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY!!!!! GET IT?


GC represent what is in the smoke, so its used for flowers and hash because they are smoked or vaped
HPLC is used for edibles ect because they are pre-decarbed and do not get burned or vaped.

GET IT? done and done...
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
IF they don't know the mass of the other compounds how can they determine the weight of THC?

“The most commonly used method for analysis of cannabinoids is gas chromatography [Raharjo, 2004]. But because this method is based on heating of sample components, it converts acidic cannabinoids present in the sample into their decarboxylated counterparts. Therefore, GC analysis is not suitable for the determination of the authentic composition of the cannabinoids in the plant.”(7)
I never said anything to the contrary.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
IF they don't know the mass of the other compounds how can they determine the weight of THC?
Please, go read. Thanks.
http://radchem.nevada.edu/classes/chem455/lecture_20__gc_and_hplc.htm


This lecture covers gas chromatography (GC) and high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC). Gas chromatography is covered in Chapter 27. In this method a sample is vaporized, either from a gas-solid or gas-liquid interface. Principles in GC are presented. Instrumentation and applications are covered. In Chapter 28 HPLC is discussed. Four different types of HPLC separations with a liquid mobile phase are introduced. Properties, instrumentation, and methods used in HPLC are presented.
 
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