Hermie Cross Breeding

Truckn

Truckn

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Hey all, I have these two strains that are clone only, there are no seeds available. I'm interested in crossing them. So I was wondering if I successfully hermie'd out one of them, could I use it's pollen to fertilize the other plant. I've asked some people and they told me that there is no pollen in a hermie plant, but in what I have read it seems like the plant grows both female and male flowers which is how it forms seeds.

I was just curious if anyone out there could comment on weather or not this is feasible. I've heard that the seeds that form from a hermie plant aren't the best and are likely to be messed up when they flower.

Thanks
 
dbkick

dbkick

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I heard all that shit too and have a seedling of some shit that got a little seed in it and intend to grow it out just for the hell of it. so how do you intend to make it hermie, colloidal silver is what I hear the pros use.
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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if you use 2 clones of the same cut yes then hermie the one and use that pollen and hit the other clone with it. those seed will be as close as it gets to a copy and be a fem version. when we see all these hermies from fem seed its because they cheep out and do a self pollenation. by letting the pollen from the stressed hermie to fall on itself. this will make for more chances of more stressed hermied seedlings
 
Truckn

Truckn

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Well based on any input I receive on weather or not hermie plant do grow pollen sacks that I am able to extract from. I will then have to do some research, I'll look into colloidal silver. I was thinking just flowering it 12/12 with intermittent 30 minutes of light I heard that will stress it right.
 
Truckn

Truckn

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Cannabisworks said:
if you use 2 clones of the same cut yes then hermie the one and use that pollen and hit the other clone with it. those seed will be as close as it gets to a copy and be a fem version. when we see all these hermies from fem seed its because they cheep out and do a self pollenation. by letting the pollen from the stressed hermie to fall on itself. this will make for more chances of more stressed hermied seedlings
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Thank you for this information, I think I am going to try it.
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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the time needed to stress it by whatever way you chose will depend on how stable they are to begin with. ive made and used the silver and done food or light. id recomend the silver
the hermie plant dosent relay grow pollen sacks like a male would. it will shoot out small banana looking pods that will have pollen inside them just like a male flower does but the genetic code is set to be as close as it can to what the donor plant was.. chromosomes and so on have already been determined cause no new genetics have been added by using another male pollen...if that makes sence
 
canefan

canefan

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Maybe I am just overmedicated this morning and don't truly understand the question. If you are using cuts from the same plant and hermie one to pollinate the other there is NO difference than letting it pollinate itself. It is the same plant, period. I have never used the c. silver to change a plant but from what I have studied this would be the preferred method. IMHO by the time you waited until the nanner was ripe enough to have viable pollen you probably have already had some released on the parent plant. Just my two cents and if you are just chuckn' pollen enjoy, otherwise do some reading about breeding and genetics before you set off on preserving a strain with hermie genetics.
Best of luck and if you would like some links for this subject please PM me.
Canefan
 
dam612

dam612

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Why not just grow out a reg pack and make a nice cross naturally? Takes a bit more time but then you won't have stress and hermis in your genes.
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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oh...so we need to stress the first cut right. so a stressed mom isnt a good one to use to pollenate or that genetic stress trait continues as the moms genes are now all messed up in plain english.

ive been breeding many many years and this is the right way its done. the pollen itself isnt stressed, its the plant holding the naners that is. so anything she makes from her now messed genes are going to keep being messed up...or have a way higher risk of it. using the second mom is a stable cut that wont continue the stress.
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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dosent he want to try and save the one he has. the point to making the copy. if he bought seed then its not the same one. and there is also risk of crap in reg seed to and males on top of that
 
dam612

dam612

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Cannabisworks said:
dosent he want to try and save the one he has. the point to making the copy. if he bought seed then its not the same one. and there is also risk of crap in reg seed to and males on top of that
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He said he wants to cross two clone only strains. I would assume if he wanted the same genetics he would just stick with moms and clones...the point of the reg seeds is to get a male for your crossing and you would get them from a reputable breeder not like bagseed
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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ah i missread that
yes seems he want to make a cross...thx man. its still fine to do just wont be anything he can predict makinbg a new strain. will still be viable and doable but as a new grower or breeder i kinda doubt he have th eye or know how to find the original traits in the new mix...or have to space to. maybe if he lives on a huge farm
 
massah

massah

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making a hermi is simple...you dont need to waste money on products to make it happen...cut her randomly...trim her back...keep a fan blowing on her most of the time...fuck with her light cycle...she'll get pissed off enough she'll start growing nuts...let the nuts mature...harvest pollen...pollinate plant...done :D

Try to keep the other plant you are planning on pollinating in veg so the male parts on the hermi have time to mature to pollinate properly :)
 
Cannabisworks

Cannabisworks

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you think he has a separate room to set up lights and do all this. i wouldnt be doing it in same room with others. guys wants to do this way why try and tell him to do what others would do. its his way he wants and nothing wrong with it at all??..i dont get thre convincing to do something else others think is easier...its no easier. non of it is. and sprayin with silver is the least work to be honest.
otherwise he needs to mess with food. mess with light. off n on. more work than a once a day sprayin and go get baked.

and the fem is behind a male so she needs to be in flower before the male not after. pollen will be done before she shoots her pistills to pollenate them. when we hit a femal it should be about the 2 to 3 week mark for lots of pistils to pollenate. not sure why you think this silver is expensive..stuff is dirt cheep.
 
Truckn

Truckn

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Cannabisworks said:
ah i missread that
yes seems he want to make a cross...thx man. its still fine to do just wont be anything he can predict makinbg a new strain. will still be viable and doable but as a new grower or breeder i kinda doubt he have th eye or know how to find the original traits in the new mix...or have to space to. maybe if he lives on a huge farm
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This was a thread to see if the idea is possible, based on someone telling me that you can not get a female plant to grow pollen sacks. Now that I know it is possible, I have to read up a lot on breeding now. Like you said what traits to look for, along with having to grow all these seeds to see which one is the best. It's nothing I'm counting on being great. But if I could produce a plant with tight buds, lots of frost, and being very resistant against a lot of marijuana's nemesis. It would be worth it to give it a shot.

But to hermie the plant before any of this comes into play. I think I am going to try and find Colloidal silver and also give it 30 minutes of light twice during the flowering cycle. Would I start the plant on that interrupted light as soon as I flick it? Or until its a little way in the flowering cycle?
 
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