Barack says yes to weed

[email468]

Do your own fucking research. I know what his positions are. If you want to know, do the research. I don't owe you a fucking thing and you'll get no response from me on your bait posts. But being the true fascist oligarchic plutocrat, I'm sure you're not interested anyway, so fuck off.

I don't care for the current plutocracy masquerading as democracy but i'm not sure a return to a republican democracy is the "best" way to go either since that is what got us to the point we are currently in.

Perhaps some sort of oligarchical meritocracy?

 

[ccodiane]

What's wrong with a representative republic?

 

[tckfui]

YouTube - Barack Obama "I inhaled frequently" "That was the point"
hehehe

 

[email468]

What's wrong with a representative republic?

One problem is no checks and balances on the "free" press. The main issue is (and throughout history -see Greece/Rome- has been) our population has gotten too large to achieve any decent amount of consensus and far too many morons are allowed to vote.

Perhaps we can keep the republic if we start weighing votes differently. People that contribute greatly to society (either through medical breakthroughs or improving some major condition or alleviating problems) would have more "votes" than some loser dreg who doesn't know shit from shinola.

Do you really want the people who cut you off in traffic and then whip you the finger like you did something wrong electing your leaders? Or how about the folks you see in line at the grocery store? I sure as hell don't especially since I see where it has gotten us. Not that i have a lot to complain about but i can also imagine how much better things could be.

 

[Titania]

I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.
I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.
Hold on, there's one guy holding up both puppets.
Shut up!
Go back to bed America, your government is in control...

-Bill Hicks-

 

[ccodiane]

One problem is no checks and balances on the "free" press. The main issue is (and throughout history -see Greece/Rome- has been) our population has gotten too large to achieve any decent amount of consensus and far too many morons are allowed to vote.

Perhaps we can keep the republic if we start weighing votes differently. People that contribute greatly to society (either through medical breakthroughs or improving some major condition or alleviating problems) would have more "votes" than some loser dreg who doesn't know shit from shinola.

Do you really want the people who cut you off in traffic and then whip you the finger like you did something wrong electing your leaders? Or how about the folks you see in line at the grocery store? I sure as hell don't especially since I see where it has gotten us. Not that i have a lot to complain about but i can also imagine how much better things could be.

The founding fathers mulled over the idea of granting voting rights to ONLY property owners. Liberals will tell you they just wanted to keep the little guy down, but there was a great deal of wisdom in this idea. They knew that if everyone, including those that didn't own property, had the right to vote, it would only be a matter of time before the people without property would vote to take the property of those who had it. 16th Amendment? Modern Liberalism? Those founders sure were smart!

 

[email468]

The founding fathers mulled over the idea of granting voting rights to ONLY property owners. Liberals will tell you they just wanted to keep the little guy down, but there was a great deal of wisdom in this idea. They knew that if everyone, including those that didn't own property, had the right to vote, it would only be a matter of time before the people without property would vote to take the property of those who had it. 16th Amendment? Modern Liberalism? Those founders sure were smart!

yes they were which is why i try to figure out a way to make their ideas work - but some folks don't make that easy! When I ponder that time in history it seems odd that all those bright folks were gathered in one area at the same time... wow!

I am like a fish out of water when it comes to political science - give me good old biology or physics any day!

 

[ViRedd]

And then the big stick fell ... we gave women the right to vote.

Vi

PS: Just kidding, ladies.

 

[LoudBlunts]

The founding fathers mulled over the idea of granting voting rights to ONLY property owners. Liberals will tell you they just wanted to keep the little guy down, but there was a great deal of wisdom in this idea. They knew that if everyone, including those that didn't own property, had the right to vote, it would only be a matter of time before the people without property would vote to take the property of those who had it. 16th Amendment? Modern Liberalism? Those founders sure were smart!

wow. sounds to me like it IS another way to keep certain people from voting. liberal or not.

we won't refresh memories of why, but you get my drift.

 

[medicineman]

wow. sounds to me like it IS another way to keep certain people from voting. liberal or not.

we won't refresh memories of why, but you get my drift.

As far as the vote goes, it will be rigged in '08' just like it was in '00' and '04'. The PTB and the republicans are hard at it already,Trying to disenfranchise any and all blacks and poor people. I'm pretty sure if you left it to property owners only to vote, it would be a repuke majority all the time. Maybe those non-owning individuals are not prosperous but their vote should count as much as J.Paul Getty's. There's a wonderful accounting of voter fraud and disenfranchisement on LINK TV, Check it out. LINKTV.org.

 

[shamegame]

I declare this thread useless.

 

[medicineman]

I declare this thread useless.

Well, who made you the declarer?

 

[RAS. GMONEY]

i was just in a 420 rap with a couple people about this leg. buds an higher taxes an no income taxes an green house coffee shop type things will only make a dealers life hell cuz anything will b a F. for dist. so it wld b good to smokers but hell for sup. an dealers but for none smokers an 9-5'ers its cld b better just know "every action has an opposite or equal reaction"
respect!!!

 

[AnitaNuggs]

YouTube - Why Marijuana Should Be Legalized: An Expert's Perspective

 

[Chrisuperfly]

Sounds like typical political rhetoric to me, I would love to see it happen, love, love, love, to see it happen. Its not going to happen though. They are talking about making Salvia illegal for gods sake. Any time some politician gets up on his soapbox and says I will legalize or decriminalize Pot it goes nowhere. Its a plot to get people from the pot smoking culture to fall in rank and file.

I want it legalized you want it legalized it should be legalized but it aint gonna happen. Shit if I am wrong you all can tell me I told you so at a victory houka party at my house.

 

[shamegame]

Well, who made you the declarer?

I attended a 3-week internet class and got my online declarer degree.

 

[email468]

I attended a 3-week internet class and got my online declarer degree.

hey! i have one of those now what do we do? perhaps we could work in shifts?

 

[LoudBlunts]

As far as the vote goes, it will be rigged in '08' just like it was in '00' and '04'. The PTB and the republicans are hard at it already,Trying to disenfranchise any and all blacks and poor people. I'm pretty sure if you left it to property owners only to vote, it would be a repuke majority all the time. Maybe those non-owning individuals are not prosperous but their vote should count as much as J.Paul Getty's. There's a wonderful accounting of voter fraud and disenfranchisement on LINK TV, Check it out. LINKTV.org.

oh yea, most definitely

black codes, jim crow seems to come to mind. forget basic voting.

lets talk about being eligible first.

can someone tell me how would a black family or black person period be able to get property or land back then? please exclude when hell freezes over.

 

[LoudBlunts]

hey! i have one of those now what do we do? perhaps we could work in shifts?

i want in....you forgot about me bro

negative rep for you

 

[email468]

oh yea, most definitely

black codes, jim crow seems to come to mind. forget basic voting.

lets talk about being eligible first.

can someone tell me how would a black family or black person period be able to get property or land back then? please exclude when hell freezes over.

Hey LB - no doubt the slaves had it shitty no arguing that (losing argument anyway) but it wasn't like every black was a slave. Hell - there were plenty of slave-owning blacks! Blacks served (along side whites) in the Revolutionary War as well as the French and Indian Wars. In fact, one of the folks who was killed at the Boston massacre was black. So you could build an argument that a black was one of the first (if not the first) person killed at the start of the war for independence. I think too often we think every black was treated as a second class citizen and every white was a wealthy slave holding land owner and that just wasn't the case.

It wasn't until the time before and after the Civil War that ALL blacks started getting stigmatized most likely because many folks were unjustly blaming them for the war. Now don't get me wrong, racism was rampant and out in the open but the whole social darwinism argument wasn't being made since Darwin didn't publish Origin of Species until 1859 - hmmm right around the time of the Civil War. So prior to that, things weren't recorded as being bad for free blacks. The slaves lives continued to suck of course.

so to answer your question of how would a black buy land? like anyone else, pay for it.