Fox Farm Ocean Forest Soil and Ph?

[max316420]

I kinda fucked up with the title of this thread because I was really trying to get to the root of my problem using promix, decided to switch over to ffof and now I think that I have gotten to the root of my problem with the promix... I'm guessing alot of people have this problem in promix because about 85 % of people say that it needs lime or some buffering agent. I wish alot of people would read this thread because there is alot of good info in here.. good luck to all you promix users and hopefully this helps... and i'm still diggin how my ladies are lookin in the ffof

 

[newbie1272]

Bublon - I posted this tonight and came across this thread after... https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/428823-how-do-you-ph-balance.html#post5669945
Please read it and throw some thoughts at me please.
I used fox farm ocean forrest before and had a low ph problem, switched to promix bx as it claims balanced ph but after I put in my nutrients,
my ph is way low... anyways looking forward to hearing your thoughts

Also they say enough humus buffers the ph and no need to check ph anymore... any thoughts on this ??

Thankjyou very much for your time I do apprichate any feed back

 

[newbie1272]

Can you add to much lime to a mix and create a problem ??

 

[deprave]

If you put way too much probably but Id say it would be hard to do - other than that not really - keep in mind too much cal can lock out mag and vice versa - this is however not as important to note in soil growing vs soiless/hydro as its a lot more difficult to overdose on these if you grow with the organic approach properly.

 

[max316420]

Bublon - I posted this tonight and came across this thread after... https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/428823-how-do-you-ph-balance.html#post5669945
Please read it and throw some thoughts at me please.
I used fox farm ocean forrest before and had a low ph problem, switched to promix bx as it claims balanced ph but after I put in my nutrients,
my ph is way low... anyways looking forward to hearing your thoughts

Also they say enough humus buffers the ph and no need to check ph anymore... any thoughts on this ??

Thankjyou very much for your time I do apprichate any feed back

Are you checking your waters ph?

 

[Nullis]

^ Humus is what 'buffers' pH, yes. Humus and clay have a high cation exchange capacity; sphagnum peat moss has CEC also which varies depending on the source of the peat, but is less than that of soil/humus (considering humus/clay has greater bulk density). Again what this means is that there are all these negatively charged 'exchange sites' which attract and hold onto positively charged ions (cations), including plant nutrients (most of which are cations). Ultimately what this means is that a higher CEC media (such as one with lots of clay and/or humus) tends to better resist sudden fluctuations in soil solution pH (either way, up or down) because the humus does act like a 'buffer' or reserve.

So for example, a high CEC soil or medium will tend to require more lime at once but fewer applications, while a medium with a lower CEC (such as peat) requires less lime more frequently.

Humus also contains humic substances, including humic and fulvic acids. These are quite complex substances that range from high molecular weight, carbon rich (HAs) to low molecular weight, oxygen rich (FAs) compounds which can form complexes with ions and increase their availability to the plant; hence they are organic chelating agents. With an appropriate amount of lime and healthy soil with a good humus content pH shouldn't be a concern. I routinely fertigate with solutions which have a pH from 5 to 4, and this isn't a problem.

Only issue with humus is that like clay it consists of very small particles, which can become too densely packed. Too much humus isn't good because it will lead to drainage issues.

 

[max316420]

So I'm gonna go out and get another bag of FFOF and got my perlite and my lime, gonna add 1 1/2 cups (of lime) to the full bag. Do you think that, that will keep my ph in check for the whole cycle? Making sure my waters ph is good of course...


And this question is directed to NULLIS, Could you recommend a good root stimulator? Not for cloning but when my ladies are already planted. I refuse to pay a $100 for voodoo just tho..

 

[newbie1272]

I always adjust my water ph before I water every time. I have to go in with 8.0 on this crop as my soil is low, when doing this ph comes out around 6.3-6.5

 

[max316420]

From what I read and have been reading is that your runoff really doesn't mean shit when it come to checking your soils ph. I'm guessing that your soils ph is real low, like around 5-5.5.

 

[doc111]

So I'm gonna go out and get another bag of FFOF and got my perlite and my lime, gonna add 1 1/2 cups (of lime) to the full bag. Do you think that, that will keep my ph in check for the whole cycle? Making sure my waters ph is good of course...


And this question is directed to NULLIS, Could you recommend a good root stimulator? Not for cloning but when my ladies are already planted. I refuse to pay a $100 for voodoo just tho..

I realize you are asking Nullis but I figured I'd throw out the name of a product I've been using for some time with really good results. Great White. This stuff has several species of endo and ecto-mycorrhizae, as well as several species of beneficial bacteria and trichoderma. It's a bit pricey but I'm really liking the results.

http://www.planetnatural.com/site/mycorrhizal-fungi.html

 

[max316420]

lol all imput is appreciated.. as a matter of fact I also posted in general and got recommended this


Mykos (mycorrhizae)
Is a highly-beneficial soil fungus which, once applied to plant roots, lives for the life of that particular plant. When Mykos fungi colonize a “host” plant’s root system, it spreads out thin fungal filaments called “hyphae” from the root surface into the surrounding soil. These hyphae spread out far beyond the reach of the root hairs and access vastly-larger amounts of soil (up to a thousand times more), retrieving otherwise inaccessible stockpiles of nutrients and water. This nutrient “super-mining” effect, is one reason why a partnership between Mykos and plants so highly-beneficial. Mykos greatly increases plants’ ability to absorb and compete for precious soil nutrients.


http://xtreme-gardening.com/mykos/what-is-mykos/

 

[doc111]

lol all imput is appreciated.. as a matter of fact I also posted in general and got recommended this


Mykos (mycorrhizae)
Is a highly-beneficial soil fungus which, once applied to plant roots, lives for the life of that particular plant. When Mykos fungi colonize a “host” plant’s root system, it spreads out thin fungal filaments called “hyphae” from the root surface into the surrounding soil. These hyphae spread out far beyond the reach of the root hairs and access vastly-larger amounts of soil (up to a thousand times more), retrieving otherwise inaccessible stockpiles of nutrients and water. This nutrient “super-mining” effect, is one reason why a partnership between Mykos and plants so highly-beneficial. Mykos greatly increases plants’ ability to absorb and compete for precious soil nutrients.


http://xtreme-gardening.com/mykos/what-is-mykos/

I don't know about that stuff but I like the fact that Great White has a bunch of different species of mycorrhyizae and beneficials. I'm not aware of another product that contains all the different species that Great White does. I'm sure it's a good product though. Mycorrhizae is good stuff but certain species take a long time to populate the root zone so some are of little benefit to us since we don't typically keep our plants around for more than a few months anyways.

 

[max316420]

ever heard of humboldts myco madness? Got a 4 oz container given to me and thought I'd give it a shot. p.s. if i'm repeating myself you'll have to excuse me cause i'm a tad on the fried side today

 

[doc111]

ever heard of humboldts myco madness? Got a 4 oz container given to me and thought I'd give it a shot. p.s. if i'm repeating myself you'll have to excuse me cause i'm a tad on the fried side today

I have heard of it but never used it. This is the first product of its kind that I've tried. I've used soils which have myco's and bene's in them. If it's free then hell yeah! Go for it! lol!

 

[max316420]

wonderin if maybe i can just add the jar into my soil instead of watering with it, hmmmmm think ill give them a call and ask

 

[max316420]

lololol their number is 888-420-7770 hehe and tech support ext is 420 hahahaha shit made me giggle... to bad she(tech dept) didn't know either : (

 

[kbo ca]

I always adjust my water ph before I water every time. I have to go in with 8.0 on this crop as my soil is low, when doing this ph comes out around 6.3-6.5

wow thats pretty high man. How are your plants reacting?

 

[max316420]

prolly not to well, what type of lime are you using?

 

[Pipe Dream]

Too many come here, ignorant, pick up info from the forums from a bunch of dim-wits and children (no offense) who are only concerned about growing weed and whatever they think is going to make their plant potent or yield big, etc

This has got to be the most confusing sentence I have ever read on here. All these dim-wits only interested in growing weed and increasing yeild and potency, well I guess I'm a dim wit because those are all relevant to my interests.

 

[IVIars]

Roots Oregonism has the same as Great White for cheaper, fungiperfecti.com has a product thats the same but cheaper also. Mykos has just one type of endo in it.