Stelthy's 600W Hps Project! (New-Cab)
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StonedBlownSkiller
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Hey Stealthy whats up whitcha? Im stoned and just thinking to myself "Hmm I bet hes gonna have a hard time if he ever moves that thing." SO....how easy you think it is to move it around with all the upgrades on it and all? My next statement was going to suggest wheels on the bottom.
stelthy
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Hi dude ..believe it or not it HAS tiny coaster wheels the back two have cut into the floorboards lol it IS as heavy as fuck though ...n doubt I'll be moving it any time soon ..When we get a new carpet they can cut it in around it lol - STELTHY
StonedBlownSkiller
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hahaha hell yeaHi dude ..believe it or not it HAS tiny coaster wheels the back to have cut into the floorboards lol it IS as heavy as fuck though ...n doubt I'll be moving it any time soon ..When we get a new carpet they can cut it in around it lol - STELTHY
stelthy
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Alot of people bang on about medical Marijuana either cos they think its cool or to join in the hype, Or cos they do need it for medical help, I like the way it makes me feel...mainly happy but whilst on-line I found a sticker website and since the pic kinda depicts Medics,,,to a degree anyway
I decided to buy it and add it to my stat, I like it - STELTHY
stelthy
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And most importantly I got my De-Humidifier for flowering stage this little baby cost me £50 of beer n pizza money, but I know she'll serve me well...I plan to sit it on a corner styled shelf (again colour coded)
and put her on a timer for an hour throughout the day (mid-cycle) and all through-out the night....Less mould and a better habitat for the ladies (flowering) - STELTHY
stelthy
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Hi again, I had a crazy idea............But you know it may just work, I want to utilize my Co2 canister but with 2 open 6" ducts its seems like a waste of time, BUT after my crazy thought I suddenly stumbled across the idea of using Remote Electronic Duct Dampener's This would allow me to open the ducts ie/ My 6" in-let 90 degree elbow at the bottom left of my unit & and the intake to my cool-tube/Sun System's Super Sun Reflector (6" duct) for steady air flow and good cooling of my lamp But then upon lights off (night) I could close the dampeners (Remotely shut off the 6" duct's - Maybe on a timer) and remotely fill the room with the correct level of Co2.
This is just an idea and needs looking into.. I need to do my research on *COST, * CORRECT TIME TO ADD Co2, * REMOTE DAMPENERS, REMOTE Co2 INJECTORS *CORRECT LEVELS OF Co2, *WIRING, *POWER CONSUMPTION and *EASE OF USE.
I am sure there's probably other things to consider too...I wonder if anyone else has either thought of or done this in their grow cupboard??
I will add info as I find it, it IS just an idea but it looks like it could work so lets see - STELTHY
This would allow me to open the ducts ie/ My 6" in-let 90 degree elbow at the bottom left of my unit & and the intake to my cool-tube/Sun System's Super Sun Reflector (6" duct) for steady air flow and good cooling of my lamp But then upon lights off (night) I could close the dampeners (Remotely shut off the 6" duct's - Maybe on a timer) and remotely fill the room with the correct level of Co2.This is just an idea and needs looking into.. I need to do my research on *COST, * CORRECT TIME TO ADD Co2, * REMOTE DAMPENERS, REMOTE Co2 INJECTORS *CORRECT LEVELS OF Co2, *WIRING, *POWER CONSUMPTION and *EASE OF USE.
I am sure there's probably other things to consider too...I wonder if anyone else has either thought of or done this in their grow cupboard??
I will add info as I find it, it IS just an idea but it looks like it could work so lets see
- STELTHY
stelthy
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It is a US model but I can look into a UK model if my plan works out
Suncourt 6-Inch Diameter Normally Open Electronic HVAC Air Duct Damper with Power Supply (ZO106)
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Manufacturer's Part No.: ZO106
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As energy costs rise, it is important to find different solutions that help conserve energy and keep your heating and cooling expenses to a minimum. Because heaters and air conditioners are the largest energy consumers in homes today, one way to start reducing the use of energy is to install electronic air duct dampers. The Suncourt Zonemaster is a 6-Inch Diameter Normally Open Electronic HVAC Air Duct Damper with Power Supply that allows you to shut off airflow to unoccupied or unused rooms, which limits the flow of heated or cooled air to the areas that really need it. The airflow changes the temperature in the occupied areas faster than conventional air ducts, providing shorter run times for your heating and/or cooling system, allowing you to use less energy and save money. By adding one or more dampers you can create zones throughout your home that can be electronically controlled. A 24 Volt hardwired power supply is included that can be used to connect with an HVAC zone controller and a multi-zone thermostat.
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Save energy and utility costs by only heating or cooling occupied areas of your home
Dampers designed to be electronically opened and closed
Includes 24 Volt power supply transformer
reggaerican
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stealthy real cool cab your working on im subbed..
stelthy
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[video=youtube;O-iexjRgId0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-iexjRgId0[/video]
Hmm well its was a good idea whilst it lasted, apparently the lights need to be on whilst Co2 is added, Which means the fan has to be on to cool the lamp in this space
I could play about with seperate lamp and odor fans and ducting but am floored on the fact the added noise, the room it will take up etc...
I did have another idea...... - STELTHY
Hmm well its was a good idea whilst it lasted, apparently the lights need to be on whilst Co2 is added, Which means the fan has to be on to cool the lamp in this space
I could play about with seperate lamp and odor fans and ducting but am floored on the fact the added noise, the room it will take up etc...I did have another idea...... - STELTHY
stelthy
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Growing cannabis withCO2
Elevating carbon dioxide levels can increase Cannabis growth speed a great deal, perhaps even double it. It seems that the plant evolved in primordial times when natural CO2 levels were many times what they are today. The plant uses CO2 for photosynthesis to create sugars it uses to build plant tissues. Elevating the CO2 level will increase the Cannabis plants ability to manufacture these sugars and plant growth rate is enhanced considerably.
CO2 can be a pain to manufacture safely, cheaply, and/or conveniently, and is expensive to set up if you use a CO2 tank system. CO2 is most usable for flowering, as this is when the plant is most dense and has the hardest time circulating air around its leaves. If your strictly growing vegetatively indoors, (transferring your plants outdoors to flower), then CO2 will not be a major concern unless you have a sealed greenhouse, closet or bedroom, and wish to increase yield and decrease flowering time.
For a medium sized indoor Cannabis grow garden, one approach is to used CO2 canisters from wielding supply houses. This is expensive initially, but fairly inexpensive in the long run. These systems are good only if your area is not too big or too small.
The basic CO2 tank system looks like this:
20 lb tank $99
Regulator $149
Timer or controller $10-125
Fill up $15-20
Worst case = $395 for CO2 tank setup synced to a exhaust fan with a thermostat.
CO2 is cheaply produced by burning Natural Gas. However, heat and Carbon Monoxide must be vented to the outside air. CO2 can be obtained by buying or leasing cylinders from local welding supply houses. If asked, you can say you have an old mig welder at home and need to patch up the lawnmower (trailer, car, etc.)
For a small closet, one tank could last 2 months, but it depends on how much is released, how often the room is vented, hours of light cycle, room leaks, enrichment levels and dispersion methods. This method may be overkill for your small closet.
It is generally viewed as good to have a small constant flow of CO2 over the plants at all times the lights are on, dispersed directly over the plants during the time exhaust fans are off.
Opportunities exist to conserve CO2, but this can cost money. When the light is off you don not need CO2, so during flowering, you will use half as much if you have the CO2 solenoid setup to your light timer. When the fan is on for venting, CO2 is shut off as well. This may be up to half the time the light is on, so this will affect the plants exposure times and amount of gas actually dispensed.
Environmentally, using bottled gas is better, since manufacturing it adds to greenhouse effect, and bottled CO2 is captured as part of the manufacturing process of many materials, and then recycled. Fermenting, CO2 generators, and baking soda and vinegar methods all generate new CO2 and add to greenhouse effect.
CO2 generation from fermentation and generators is possible. A simple CO2 generator would be a propane heater. This will work well, as long as the gases can be vented to the grow area, and a fan is used to keep the hot CO2 (that will rise) circulating and available below at the plants level. Fire and exhaust venting of the heat are issues as well. A room that must be vented 50% of the time to rid the environment of heat from a lamp and heater will not receive as much CO2 as a room that can be kept unvented for hours at a time. However, CO2 generators are the only way to go for large operations.
Fermentation or vinegar over baking soda will work if you don not have many vent cycles, but if you have enough heat to make constant or regular venting necessary, these methods become impractical. Just pour the vinegar on baking soda and close the door, (you lose your CO2 as soon as the vent comes on). This method leaves a great deal to be desired, since it is not easy to regulate automatically, and requires daily attention. It is possible however, to create CO2 by fermentation, let the wine turn to vinegar, and pour this on baking soda. It is the most cost-effective setup for most closet growers, for whom $400 in CO2 equipment is a bit much to swallow.
In fermentation, yeast is constantly killing itself; it takes a lot of space. You need a big bin to constantly keep adding water to, so that the alcohol levels will not rise high enough to kill the yeast. Sugar is used quickly this way, and a 10 pound sack will run $3.50 or so and last about 2-3 weeks. This is also difficult to gauge what is happening as far as amounts actually released. A tube out the top going into a jar of water will bubble and demonstrate the amount of CO2 being produced.
Try sodium bicarbonate mixed with vinegar, 1 tsp: ~30cc- this will gush up all frothy as it releases CO2. do it just before you close the door on your plants. A MUCH cheaper way to provide CO2 is 2 Oz sugar in 2 liters of water in a bottle [sterilized 1st with bleach and water, then rinsed], plus a few cc urine[!] or if you insist, yeast nutrient from a home brewing supplier. Add a brewing yeast, shake up and keep at 25 deg celsius[~70 F] . Over next 2 weeks or so it will brew up about 1/2 Oz CO2 for every Oz sugar used. Keep a few going at once, starting a new one every 3 days or so. With added CO2 growth is phenomenal!!! I personally measured 38cm growth in 8 days under a 250watt HPS bulb[tubular clear, Horizontal mount.
A good container is a 1 gallon plastic milk jug, with a pin-hole in the cap. Also, the air-lock from a piece of clear tube running into a jar filled with water will keep microbes out and demonstrate the fermentation is working.
A variation is to spray seltzer water on the Cannabis plants twice a day. This is not recommended by some authorities, and receives great raves by people who seem to feel it has enhanced their crop. It stands to reason this would work for only a small unvented closet, but may be right for some situations. It could get expensive with a lot of plants to spray. Use seltzer, not club soda, since it contains less sodium that could clog the plants stomata. Wash your plants with straight water after 2 or 3 seltzer sprays. It is a lot of work, and you can not automate it, but maybe that is good! Remember, being with the plants is a beautiful experience, and brings you closer to your spiritual self and the earth. Seltzer is available at most grocery stores. Club soda will work if seltzer water is not available; but it has twice as much sodium in it. A very diluted solution of Miracle Grow can be sprayed on the plant at the same time. One factor of using selzter water is it raises humidity levels. Make sure your venting humidity during the dark cycle, or you could risk fungus and increased internode length.
CAUTION: Don not spray too close to a hot bulb! Spray downward only, or turn off the lamp first.
Even though CO2 enrichment can mean 30-100% yield increases, the hassle, expense, space, danger, and time involved can make constant or near constant venting a desirable alternative to enrichment. As long as the plant has the opportunity to take in new CO2 at all times, from air that is over 200 ppm CO2, (Or as surgested in the above video 1500PPM) the plants will have the required nutrients for photosynthesis. Most closets will need new CO2 coming in every two or three hours, minimum. Most citys will have high concentrations of CO2 in the air, and some growers find CO2 injection unnecessary in these circumstances.
Some Cannabis growers have reported to High Times that high CO2 levels in the grow room near harvest time lower potency. It may be a good idea to turn off CO2 2 weeks before cannabis harvesting.
Here is some useful information on Co2, I still think I will have to wait for a larger grow opportunity in the future to get to use my Co2 But never say Never I do still have another crazy Co2 idea .... - STELTHY
Elevating carbon dioxide levels can increase Cannabis growth speed a great deal, perhaps even double it. It seems that the plant evolved in primordial times when natural CO2 levels were many times what they are today. The plant uses CO2 for photosynthesis to create sugars it uses to build plant tissues. Elevating the CO2 level will increase the Cannabis plants ability to manufacture these sugars and plant growth rate is enhanced considerably.
CO2 can be a pain to manufacture safely, cheaply, and/or conveniently, and is expensive to set up if you use a CO2 tank system. CO2 is most usable for flowering, as this is when the plant is most dense and has the hardest time circulating air around its leaves. If your strictly growing vegetatively indoors, (transferring your plants outdoors to flower), then CO2 will not be a major concern unless you have a sealed greenhouse, closet or bedroom, and wish to increase yield and decrease flowering time.
For a medium sized indoor Cannabis grow garden, one approach is to used CO2 canisters from wielding supply houses. This is expensive initially, but fairly inexpensive in the long run. These systems are good only if your area is not too big or too small.
The basic CO2 tank system looks like this:
20 lb tank $99
Regulator $149
Timer or controller $10-125
Fill up $15-20
Worst case = $395 for CO2 tank setup synced to a exhaust fan with a thermostat.
CO2 is cheaply produced by burning Natural Gas. However, heat and Carbon Monoxide must be vented to the outside air. CO2 can be obtained by buying or leasing cylinders from local welding supply houses. If asked, you can say you have an old mig welder at home and need to patch up the lawnmower (trailer, car, etc.)
For a small closet, one tank could last 2 months, but it depends on how much is released, how often the room is vented, hours of light cycle, room leaks, enrichment levels and dispersion methods. This method may be overkill for your small closet.
It is generally viewed as good to have a small constant flow of CO2 over the plants at all times the lights are on, dispersed directly over the plants during the time exhaust fans are off.
Opportunities exist to conserve CO2, but this can cost money. When the light is off you don not need CO2, so during flowering, you will use half as much if you have the CO2 solenoid setup to your light timer. When the fan is on for venting, CO2 is shut off as well. This may be up to half the time the light is on, so this will affect the plants exposure times and amount of gas actually dispensed.
Environmentally, using bottled gas is better, since manufacturing it adds to greenhouse effect, and bottled CO2 is captured as part of the manufacturing process of many materials, and then recycled. Fermenting, CO2 generators, and baking soda and vinegar methods all generate new CO2 and add to greenhouse effect.
CO2 generation from fermentation and generators is possible. A simple CO2 generator would be a propane heater. This will work well, as long as the gases can be vented to the grow area, and a fan is used to keep the hot CO2 (that will rise) circulating and available below at the plants level. Fire and exhaust venting of the heat are issues as well. A room that must be vented 50% of the time to rid the environment of heat from a lamp and heater will not receive as much CO2 as a room that can be kept unvented for hours at a time. However, CO2 generators are the only way to go for large operations.
Fermentation or vinegar over baking soda will work if you don not have many vent cycles, but if you have enough heat to make constant or regular venting necessary, these methods become impractical. Just pour the vinegar on baking soda and close the door, (you lose your CO2 as soon as the vent comes on). This method leaves a great deal to be desired, since it is not easy to regulate automatically, and requires daily attention. It is possible however, to create CO2 by fermentation, let the wine turn to vinegar, and pour this on baking soda. It is the most cost-effective setup for most closet growers, for whom $400 in CO2 equipment is a bit much to swallow.
In fermentation, yeast is constantly killing itself; it takes a lot of space. You need a big bin to constantly keep adding water to, so that the alcohol levels will not rise high enough to kill the yeast. Sugar is used quickly this way, and a 10 pound sack will run $3.50 or so and last about 2-3 weeks. This is also difficult to gauge what is happening as far as amounts actually released. A tube out the top going into a jar of water will bubble and demonstrate the amount of CO2 being produced.
Try sodium bicarbonate mixed with vinegar, 1 tsp: ~30cc- this will gush up all frothy as it releases CO2. do it just before you close the door on your plants. A MUCH cheaper way to provide CO2 is 2 Oz sugar in 2 liters of water in a bottle [sterilized 1st with bleach and water, then rinsed], plus a few cc urine[!] or if you insist, yeast nutrient from a home brewing supplier. Add a brewing yeast, shake up and keep at 25 deg celsius[~70 F] . Over next 2 weeks or so it will brew up about 1/2 Oz CO2 for every Oz sugar used. Keep a few going at once, starting a new one every 3 days or so. With added CO2 growth is phenomenal!!! I personally measured 38cm growth in 8 days under a 250watt HPS bulb[tubular clear, Horizontal mount.
A good container is a 1 gallon plastic milk jug, with a pin-hole in the cap. Also, the air-lock from a piece of clear tube running into a jar filled with water will keep microbes out and demonstrate the fermentation is working.
A variation is to spray seltzer water on the Cannabis plants twice a day. This is not recommended by some authorities, and receives great raves by people who seem to feel it has enhanced their crop. It stands to reason this would work for only a small unvented closet, but may be right for some situations. It could get expensive with a lot of plants to spray. Use seltzer, not club soda, since it contains less sodium that could clog the plants stomata. Wash your plants with straight water after 2 or 3 seltzer sprays. It is a lot of work, and you can not automate it, but maybe that is good! Remember, being with the plants is a beautiful experience, and brings you closer to your spiritual self and the earth. Seltzer is available at most grocery stores. Club soda will work if seltzer water is not available; but it has twice as much sodium in it. A very diluted solution of Miracle Grow can be sprayed on the plant at the same time. One factor of using selzter water is it raises humidity levels. Make sure your venting humidity during the dark cycle, or you could risk fungus and increased internode length.
CAUTION: Don not spray too close to a hot bulb! Spray downward only, or turn off the lamp first.
Even though CO2 enrichment can mean 30-100% yield increases, the hassle, expense, space, danger, and time involved can make constant or near constant venting a desirable alternative to enrichment. As long as the plant has the opportunity to take in new CO2 at all times, from air that is over 200 ppm CO2, (Or as surgested in the above video 1500PPM) the plants will have the required nutrients for photosynthesis. Most closets will need new CO2 coming in every two or three hours, minimum. Most citys will have high concentrations of CO2 in the air, and some growers find CO2 injection unnecessary in these circumstances.
Some Cannabis growers have reported to High Times that high CO2 levels in the grow room near harvest time lower potency. It may be a good idea to turn off CO2 2 weeks before cannabis harvesting.
Here is some useful information on Co2, I still think I will have to wait for a larger grow opportunity in the future to get to use my Co2
But never say Never I do still have another crazy Co2 idea .... - STELTHY
stelthy
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Cheer's man
There's loads more cool stuff still to come...even if I cant use Co2 in the conventional way.. there's gotta be a way.. - STELTHY
stelthy
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Here's one idea I had on Co2, If (IF) I covered the ladies with a couple of clear sacks and filled the sacks with Co2 and tied them so they were o2/Co2 (air tight) Then the Co2 couldn't excape and the light could still get to the plants and the fan could remain cooling the lamp, and keep the room at approx 26oC
NB/ I would have to release the seal of the clear bags every few hours to stop sweating of the plants and water build up etc and would have to refill the bags with more of the correct amount of Co2 PPM.
But despite the hassel of doing this I would think this could be an answer...If anyone has any other answer/ideas please let me know and I'll have some REP ready and waiting for you - STELTHY
NB/ I would have to release the seal of the clear bags every few hours to stop sweating of the plants and water build up etc and would have to refill the bags with more of the correct amount of Co2 PPM.
But despite the hassel of doing this I would think this could be an answer...If anyone has any other answer/ideas please let me know and I'll have some REP ready and waiting for you
- STELTHY