Simple Solution to stop unemployment.

[jeff f]

+rep for the kindness and respect

I agree with the first half of your first post...but my values split from yours when i reached the second half. I don't think anybody deserves to work under such poor labor laws/conditions, and certainly not to produce low-quality junk for mega-corporations under a communist-style government with fascist principles where the corporations make the rules. maybe you feel the same way, idk

But I do feel that this is where we are headed unless we have a serious renniasance in the US. The opportunity for entrepreneurship will continue to shrink, the number of job opportunities will continue to shrink and the gap between the rich and poor will continue to expand until the middle class is non-existant.

I think it has everything to do with our federal reserve system, and the financial oligarchs who've abused their power over controlling the currency in their quest for power. I believe these people, due to their MONETARY or luxurious wealth, have lost touch with their spirituality and have become completely disconnected from the real world, and know no meaning of real VALUE

it's like that saying..."happiness is contentment" ...and the tiger/meal analogy that goes with it.

after all, a happy person is a content person. a content person is a spiritually and emotionally fullfilled person. this person, free of voids, does not seek power, dominance, or isolation...more importantly, that feeling of content can only come from a warmed soul

while all that sounds terrific, it doesnt represent reality.

the reality is we are being suffocated by our govt. the asnwer to the whole equation is, as its always been, energy. we need to produce energy of all kinds. we need to export energy.

its what frees people from oppression. with energy they can light their homes, heat them, build hospitals, roads, ect. there are large parts of the planet where people die just because of lack of energy. it improves lives plain and simple.

but what are the stupid fucks who run this country doing? shutting our energy production down. cant burn coal, cant use oil, no nuke plants.....but hey, windmills are awesome! fucking windmills, ugly ass windmills that cant light a home 24/7/365 and employ virtually nobody. thats their answer? idiots.

 

[abe23]

Why would you want a simple solution to a problem that is anything but simple...?

Jobs that can be done for cheaper abroad should be done abroad. Sure, we could sew our own swooshes on our nike's and make cheap electronics and plastic toys, but the result would be paying more for basic consumer goods, shitty factory jobs for everyone etc. Even the call center type jobs that are being outsourced to india aren't something we should be trying to keep in america at all costs. The better answer would be to encourage jobs in IT, biotech and green technology which is where tomorrow's economic growth is at.

As for immigration, you are only addressing half of the problem. The reason millions of people try to migrate to the US each year is that our economy relies on unskilled seasonal labor for agriculture and other low-end jobs in many other sectors. The answer is to make legal immigration easier for unskilled seasonal workers and smart, skilled people with the skills we need to grow our economy. Only after you do that, can you start cracking down on illegal immigration and the borders. To his credit, bush actually tried to do something about this, but the nativists in the republican party made sure it didn't go anywhere. The ugly truth about the 'anti-illegal immigrant' crowd is that what they simply don't like immigrants, especially from latin america and asia, whether they are have documents or not.

Also, what you are saying about 'illegals on welfare' simply isn't true. Most of them actually use fake SS numbers and pay the same payroll taxes as all of us but will probably never have access to medicare or social security. Sure, there are cases of abuse and they get sensationalized on talk radio but if you did a little research into this issue, you would find that this is really insignificant in comparison to the services undocumented immigrants pay for in taxes and never receive....

Making it easier for small business to hire by easing their tax burdens and health insurance costs so they start hiring and also making sure they have access to credit should be step number one if we're going to do anything about jobs. Investing money into science and infrastructure would be a good next step in my view but the fiscal conservatives will argue that we can't afford to do that. I would say we can't afford not to but that's a different debate....

 

[Woomeister]

while all that sounds terrific, it doesnt represent reality.

the reality is we are being suffocated by our govt. the asnwer to the whole equation is, as its always been, energy. we need to produce energy of all kinds. we need to export energy.

its what frees people from oppression. with energy they can light their homes, heat them, build hospitals, roads, ect. there are large parts of the planet where people die just because of lack of energy. it improves lives plain and simple.

but what are the stupid fucks who run this country doing? shutting our energy production down. cant burn coal, cant use oil, no nuke plants.....but hey, windmills are awesome! fucking windmills, ugly ass windmills that cant light a home 24/7/365 and employ virtually nobody. thats their answer? idiots.

If the world keeps burning coal and oil and doesnt think of alternatives then you wont have to worry about economic issues as the climate will be the only real issue. We are heading for an iretrievable situation in less than 10 years if attitudes dont change. You obviously dont realise how many people it takes to make the 'fucking windmills', install them and maintain them...

 

[TheBlazehero]

the thing with economics is that you can not take a problem, give it a solution and measure the response. there are unforeseen responses that will happen inevitably by market intervention. we do not operate in a true free market system. please don't blame capitalism. economics in one lesson by henry hazlitt is a good start to understanding how economics really works instead of the bs you hear from self interested parties.

 

[jeff f]

If the world keeps burning coal and oil and doesnt think of alternatives then you wont have to worry about economic issues as the climate will be the only real issue. We are heading for an iretrievable situation in less than 10 years if attitudes dont change. You obviously dont realise how many people it takes to make the 'fucking windmills', install them and maintain them...

hey dude, i can see almost 100 windmills on the mountains in front of my house. i know exactly how many people it emplys. a bunch of swedes, couple hundred chinese kids that put them together for general electric, and about 15-20 locals made up of electricians, masons, couple truck drivers, and lumber jacks. they take about 3 weeks to put up. and then poof, nobody working there. if one happens to break you have a handful of maintainers. thats it.

plus they put out about 5 kilowatts max. our local nuke plant puts out 19 million. you do the math on how much damage is needed to be done on the mountains being as you would need about 2000 windmills to do the job of 1 nuke plant.

do you want to make yourself look more stupid or have you had enough?

 

[Woomeister]

hey dude, i can see almost 100 windmills on the mountains in front of my house. i know exactly how many people it emplys. a bunch of swedes, couple hundred chinese kids that put them together for general electric, and about 15-20 locals made up of electricians, masons, couple truck drivers, and lumber jacks. they take about 3 weeks to put up. and then poof, nobody working there. if one happens to break you have a handful of maintainers. thats it.

plus they put out about 5 kilowatts max. our local nuke plant puts out 19 million. you do the math on how much damage is needed to be done on the mountains being as you would need about 2000 windmills to do the job of 1 nuke plant.

do you want to make yourself look more stupid or have you had enough?

lol, insults are stupid. Facts are facts.

 

[NoDrama]

hey dude, i can see almost 100 windmills on the mountains in front of my house. i know exactly how many people it emplys. a bunch of swedes, couple hundred chinese kids that put them together for general electric, and about 15-20 locals made up of electricians, masons, couple truck drivers, and lumber jacks. they take about 3 weeks to put up. and then poof, nobody working there. if one happens to break you have a handful of maintainers. thats it.

plus they put out about 5 kilowatts max. our local nuke plant puts out 19 million. you do the math on how much damage is needed to be done on the mountains being as you would need about 2000 windmills to do the job of 1 nuke plant.

do you want to make yourself look more stupid or have you had enough?

Actually the ones that are most commonly used on wind farms put out much more power than you think. They don't put out 5,000 watts, they normally produce around 1,300,000 watts per hour. We have quite a few wind farms in my neck of the woods, they recently added a 120 megawatt farm not too far away from where i live. A barrel of oil is approx 1.7 MW.

 

[jeff f]

Actually the ones that are most commonly used on wind farms put out much more power than you think. They don't put out 5,000 watts, they normally produce around 1,300,000 watts per hour. We have quite a few wind farms in my neck of the woods, they recently added a 120 megawatt farm not too far away from where i live. A barrel of oil is approx 1.7 MW.

i dont know where you got that number from 1300 mw but thats not even close to what the largest windmill can produce. the ones on the mountais here are rated at 2.5-5mw.

of course thats per hour so you have to do the math but its nothing compaired to a power plant. maybe a windfarm produces 1300 mwh but that would take about 300 windmills to generate that kind of power.

here is a source for our windmills.

http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/products/wind_turbines/en/index.htm

we are using ge. never seen anything even approaching 10mw windmills available. i highly doubt the exist.

edit; sorry i just saw my math error. its megawatts. your answer is correct however our
nuke plant puts out 19 million megawatts. a windmill max, 5 megawatts. do the math, still equals about 2000 windmills needed to approach 19 million.

 

[Woomeister]

Operation of ENERCON’s first E-126/6 MW took off in November this
year. Currently the world’s most powerful wind turbine, the E-126 is a
sophisticated version of the E112/6 MW. A larger swept area, the new
ENERCON blade design and a higher tower are intended to greatly
enhance performance. To facilitate truck transport to inland sites, the
enormous blades are now divided into two sections. And the E-126​

produces more electricity than the consumption of 5000 households.

1 windmill per 5000 households!!!

 

[herbygrower]

...i just laid off three months ago, its winter not alot of jobs. a factory wouldnt be so bad considering theres nothing else,im not big on selling my stuff either , but its an option . also an optoin not alot of other unemployed people have.
if there was i would take it and im sure alot of other unemployed people would too. maybe i just sound simple when i say this but i dont see the point in have all the tele marketing jobs in india when they can be performed here, instead of performed at slave labour price i could never compete with. like honestly if some one willing to do the jobs for pennies i cant actually compete with that when id need at least just 7 dollars an hour to provide my self with what i need in my country. where his pennies an hour could afford him a rather subtable living condition where he lives.....dont blast me to hard, two bong hits befor i put this down

 

[jeff f]

Operation of ENERCON’s first E-126/6 MW took off in November this

year. Currently the world’s most powerful wind turbine, the E-126 is a
sophisticated version of the E112/6 MW. A larger swept area, the new
ENERCON blade design and a higher tower are intended to greatly
enhance performance. To facilitate truck transport to inland sites, the
enormous blades are now divided into two sections. And the E-126​

produces more electricity than the consumption of 5000 households.

1 windmill per 5000 households!!!

a six megawatt windmill wont power 5000 homes unless its in a huricane.

look if you want to put up a windmill, do it, i could care less. it is not the answer to our energy needs.

maybe you can answer this, if you greenies are so concerned about the environment, how come you are willing to pollute and destroy entire mountain ranges with these f'n things?

 

[ilkhan]

Why do I keep hearing this windmill bullshit.
We need to replace all our coal fired plants
with the new forth generation nuclear power plants.
Our current nuclear plants only burn 3% of their fuel leaving 97% as waste.
Fourth Gen Nuclear power plants burns 99% of the fuel,
including the old waste we got sitting under mountains.
and leaves 1% as waste with a much shorter half life.
Clinton cut funding for those BTW.

Look it ain't the seventies anymore
Nuclear has come a long way sence then.
It is by far the cleanest safes and most reliable source of electicity we have.
Windmills indeed.

 

[PadawanBater]

Nuclear
Geo-Thermal
Windmills
Sea Farms
Solar Power

All of it is clean and safe (for the most part), cleaner and safer than most of the other shit out there, not to mention we're not sucking on the tit of the Middle East by utilizing them. But that's not the problem, the problem isn't the technology, it's political. The problem is the people who control the energy business right now make huge amounts of money and have tons of influence, especially on American politics. The corruption inside the system is so much that none of those green technologies will become widespread as long as those people who have high stakes in the current energy suppliers hold so much power, because all of them are competition, just like when hemp threatened the profits and it became illegal.

 

[jeff f]

Nuclear
Geo-Thermal
Windmills
Sea Farms
Solar Power

All of it is clean and safe (for the most part), cleaner and safer than most of the other shit out there, not to mention we're not sucking on the tit of the Middle East by utilizing them. But that's not the problem, the problem isn't the technology, it's political. The problem is the people who control the energy business right now make huge amounts of money and have tons of influence, especially on American politics. The corruption inside the system is so much that none of those green technologies will become widespread as long as those people who have high stakes in the current energy suppliers hold so much power, because all of them are competition, just like when hemp threatened the profits and it became illegal.

i dont have a problem with any of that as long as its cheap, and more importantly it works. i sont want a car with a top speed of 20.

hate to be the one to tell you but the govt makes the biggest profit accross all energy systems through taxes. oil is about 10 cents per gallon at every stage of development. depending on the state you live in the goverment get 50 cents or more.

 

[Woomeister]

i dont have a problem with any of that as long as its cheap, and more importantly it works. i sont want a car with a top speed of 20.

hate to be the one to tell you but the govt makes the biggest profit accross all energy systems through taxes. oil is about 10 cents per gallon at every stage of development. depending on the state you live in the goverment get 50 cents or more.

you are way behind the times because you live in acountry who doesnt want to move forward. This example is several years old:
MINI QED - A demonstration vehicle to showcase the best electric drive system in the world!

With the odd exception of some rather impractical and eccentric examples, today�s electric or hybrid electric vehicles substantially under perform when compared both with high performance gasoline cars and also with theoretical limits of electric drive systems. Why are major manufacturers not putting more emphasis on in-wheel electric drive systems?

As PML is a leader in high performance motor and drive system technology, we felt it time to demonstrate what really can be achieved today using the best technology available! The car you see today is the result of 8 months of intense effort following PML�s 4-year product development programme.

The MINI was chosen as the platform because of its broad appeal and iconic styling. However it is not a light vehicle and has limited space to integrate the substantial component set required for a top performance electric vehicle � if we can successfully convert this vehicle then most others should be easy by comparison!

Some key features are:
Independent Quad Electric Drive
Traction control and anti skid built into each wheel
Regenerative braking recovers almost all energy
Blistering acceleration and high top speed
Around 80 mpg via onboard engine / generator
No need to recharge ( although you can if you wish)
Seriously attractive and feature rich in car display
more...


Item Original target specification Emissions
Autonomy
Top speed
Acceleration
Braking
Fuel
BHP
Zero
1500 km
200 kph minimum
0-100 kph in 6 secs
No mechanical brakes
Zero carbon
250 bhp minimum
Current specificationEmissions
Autonomy
Top speed
Acceleration
Braking
Fuel
BHP
Zero for 4 hours
1500 km
240 kph
0-100 kph in 4.5 secs
No mechanical brakes
Carbon neutral option
> 640 bhp

Just for the record, I am in no way a 'greeny' as you so eloquently put it, I am a pragmatist. I too believe Nuclear power is the way forward.

 

[OregonMeds]

We need both green and nuclear power, there are places each makes sense.

Thanks for the post about the electric car, I'm off to read more on that. Wheel hub motors with no brakes is perfect, about damn time. That's practically zero maintenance and free driving, just tires every once in a while really. I hope someone will sell a conversion kit with those motors.

They've exported call support centers and tech support for almost all big players overseas, and that's not like exporting really shitty manufacturing jobs. Those jobs used to be stepping stones for people to go on to network engineer type jobs, provided a lot of starting places for people and now they're mostly gone. And the latest trend is to use at home workers when they have to use local talent, and they pay them horribly while requiring high speed internet service to work over the internet. $800 a month or so for 35hr/wk - $100 or whatever for the internet service who can live on that? And boy doesn't everyone love the 35 hour workweek shit they do now to ditch responsibilities and not pay for health care etc.

 

[jeff f]

you are way behind the times because you live in acountry who doesnt want to move forward. This example is several years old:
MINI QED - A demonstration vehicle to showcase the best electric drive system in the world!

With the odd exception of some rather impractical and eccentric examples, today�s electric or hybrid electric vehicles substantially under perform when compared both with high performance gasoline cars and also with theoretical limits of electric drive systems. Why are major manufacturers not putting more emphasis on in-wheel electric drive systems?

As PML is a leader in high performance motor and drive system technology, we felt it time to demonstrate what really can be achieved today using the best technology available! The car you see today is the result of 8 months of intense effort following PML�s 4-year product development programme.

The MINI was chosen as the platform because of its broad appeal and iconic styling. However it is not a light vehicle and has limited space to integrate the substantial component set required for a top performance electric vehicle � if we can successfully convert this vehicle then most others should be easy by comparison!

Some key features are:
Independent Quad Electric Drive
Traction control and anti skid built into each wheel
Regenerative braking recovers almost all energy
Blistering acceleration and high top speed
Around 80 mpg via onboard engine / generator
No need to recharge ( although you can if you wish)
Seriously attractive and feature rich in car display
more...


Item Original target specification Emissions
Autonomy
Top speed
Acceleration
Braking
Fuel
BHP
Zero
1500 km
200 kph minimum
0-100 kph in 6 secs
No mechanical brakes
Zero carbon
250 bhp minimum
Current specificationEmissions
Autonomy
Top speed
Acceleration
Braking
Fuel
BHP
Zero for 4 hours
1500 km
240 kph
0-100 kph in 4.5 secs
No mechanical brakes
Carbon neutral option
> 640 bhp

Just for the record, I am in no way a 'greeny' as you so eloquently put it, I am a pragmatist. I too believe Nuclear power is the way forward.

hey dude, i am a contractor. ever try and build a house with a vehicle like that? thought so. my chop saw wouldnt even fit in that let alone a table saw.

further, i wouldnt trust my family being safe at 60 mph down the highway in that skateboard. if you want to drive that fine. i wont....ever!

what business is it of yours what kind of car i drive? none.

 

[Woomeister]

Merely an example to counter your nonsensical argument about electric cars. Here you go another example to counter your last 'skateboard' argument!

Hot! Electric Ford F-150 Pickup


by Todd Kaho
12/01/2008

A full-size, crew cab pickup truck measuring over 20 feet long is probably not the first vehicle that comes to mind when talk turns to electric vehicles. But that’s precisely the point that British company PML Flightlink wanted to make with its latest clean power conversion: electric vehicles don’t necessarily have to be small to suit a mission. In this case, the mission was accomplished by converting the world’s best selling pickup truck to electric power with four Hi-Pa Drive in-wheel motors.
PML, the company responsible for the in-wheel motors in the Volvo ReCharge C30 concept car, revealed its Hi-Pa Drive F-150 pickup at the recent Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) Show in Las Vegas, Nevada. The company’s aim is to clearly illustrate not only to automakers, but also aftermarket suppliers and innovators the potential of electric drive conversions using the Hi-Pa Drive system.

DST Industries and PML built the Hi-Pa Drive F-150 in collaboration with Ford Motor Company. Due to its generous size and weight carrying capacity, packaging the electric conversion in the F-150 was in some ways easier than doing so in a smaller vehicle. Removing the big gasoline V-8 engine, transmission, driveline, axles, and fuel system left considerable room to work with, not to mention eliminating a great deal of weight. The Hi-Pa Drive F-150 conversion is all neatly contained under the hood and beneath the truck without encroaching on interior space or cargo room.
Power and performance are obvious concerns in a vehicle that must earn its keep as a workhorse. The factory V-8 offers 320 horsepower and plenty of torque. Although weighing just 66 pounds each, PML’s in-wheel motors are capable of delivering 150 horsepower at each wheel, offering a combined total of 600 horsepower and instant torque that’s off the charts. With four independent motors each driving a wheel, true all-wheel-drive capability can be tailored by computer control to suit specific applications.

Energy is stored in a powerful 40 kW battery mounted between the frame rails in the space formerly occupied by the gas tank, transmission, and driveshaft. The battery has enough capacity for 100 miles of driving on a single charge. The four in-wheel motors also aggressively recapture regenerative braking energy to recharge the battery pack. PML estimates that if the truck was configured as a series plug-in hybrid with a small internal combustion engine, range could be extended more than five fold.
The beauty of the in-wheel motor system is that it isn’t limited to one size or type of vehicle. Hi-Pa Drive points out in-wheel motors can be used on everything from tractors to trailers and perhaps offer the most flexibility for plug-in series electric cars. The small, lightweight motors can also be used for other power generation applications like integrated starter-generators, windmills, and gas turbines.

Keeping with the aftermarket custom flair that’s a hallmark of the SEMA Show, the Hi-Pa Drive F-150 was treated to an eye-catching green and black paint treatment with bold graphics to let the world know this is no ordinary hauler. Custom thin-spoke billet aluminum wheels were also installed to provide a good view of the in-wheel motors, which have been painted bright green to complement the exterior color scheme. The interior was also updated with plush leather seats stitched with the Hi-Pa Drive logo. Shifting between forward, neutral, and reverse is handled by a control mounted on the center console. The truck’s standard instrument cluster was replaced by LCD displays that graphically depict system status, speed, range, and charge.
The glitz and glamour of the SEMA Show is enough to quickly overload the senses. Still, amid the sea of octane, chrome, and custom paint, the all-electric Hi-Pa Drive F-150 was a big draw that got people thinking about advanced pickups and their place on the highways of the future.

Want to know more about advanced pickup trucks ? Be sure to check out these articles on GreenCar.com:

 

[OregonMeds]

The next excuse will be they don't want a car they have to plug in every night... Plugging in isn't necessary we have the technology to do completely wireless recharge.

 

[Woomeister]

hydrogen is the real way forward...