Bring back all the jobs that have been outsourced .India ,China are the main ones.And about CA.'s Debt.I got a answer, illegal immigration is a big part of its debt.Millions of Illegals come here,get payed under the table,or use fake Id's.SScards,have alot of babies,get welfare$,foodstamp$.Free medical, $chooling,government houseing,etc.And they dont pay taxes.Sales tax only.
Simple Solution to stop unemployment.
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jeff f
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so you want to work in a factory making toys? or how about a garment factory? you want your kids to strive to be the best seamstress in a sweat shop? no thanks. e still build things like boats, buildings, heavy equipment, airplanes, missiles, satellites and a whole bunch of other hightech stuff. let the miserable factory jobs you libs so crave stay overseas. i will send my kid to college to be a chemist or an accountant. you teach your kid how to put soles on sneakers.
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PadawanBater
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Isn't that the American dream? Send all your workforce and production cost overseas, where it's minimal compared to stateside, then rake in a huge profit margin and pay your workers shit on the dollar because their country doesn't have decent labor laws.
Lmao, capitalism... gotta love that shit...
The illegal immigration thing is a pretty big problem, but what can you do about that, really?
budsmoker87
New Member
what a selfish thing to say...just because the OP posted a thread that makes economic sense.
get this fucking "liberal", "convervative" BULLSHIT out of your heads. it's poison, and this ridiculous paradigm is shaping people's ideologies and thus blinding them from common sense and truth
and no, the US would and does not NEED to take up half the jobs overseas...how much BULLSHIT do we need to have to be happy in this country? the only country with self-storage units cuz ppl constantly crave more and more JUNK. fuck toys, fuck shit-quality china-mart made junk, fuck the huge oligarchical companies in this country that have bought and paid for the politicians and turned our republic into a fascist state. We need mom and pop stores, and we need wide-scale production from small farmers and entrapreuners with solid ideas and dreams. no government intervention, bailouts, tax breaks, loan gaurantees, NONE of it. We need desperately to get back to the basics- just take a look at the shit-quality things around you, and the zombie-like people with dead spirits, scrambling like ants. over-consumption of not just food, but garbage-media has severed people's spiritual connection with the earth, themselves and others. we need to get back to the roots of our origins to live quality lives again, and to adhere to the model that made america prosperous, free (in SPIRIT) and great
that's strongly how i feel
jeff f
New Member
where do you shop?
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
Well-Known Member
Your so full of it,,Than why were you republicans so not for stem stem research in it's hay day??? To put the US medical research teams to Forget it or send the best of the best overseas to explore, while thowing the US back a few more years?
Woomeister
Well-Known Member
Innovation is the key to any business model surviving, be it on a micro or macro level. Green energy is the way forward for creating new jobs and the next new 'must have' set of items. I run 3 businesses and one of them is a fish and chip shop. I am about to start a 4th producing biodiesel, natural progression really. Innovation and diversification is the key.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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I Like fish and chips,,I prefer cod or Haddack with Huge fresh cut potatoes soaked in water and white viniger,, Deep fried in vegetable oil.
Cooking in fun
budsmoker87
New Member
i buy chicken and eggs from my neighbor, about 200 feet away. i buy veggies at the local farm stands when theyre in season and grow/trade my own, and buy raw milk across town at a farm. I buy herbs from my buddy's mom who grows all kinds and i pick medicinal wild herbs and have cacti on my windowsill which i make extractions from for medicine. i shop at a natural mom and pop foodstore called earthwards down the street for organic local grains...and at market basket, where a large selection of their organic produce come from local organic farms.
as you can see, a good amount of my money & dedication go toward supporting the ecological and economic welfare of my community, because i like to support the vision for which I would like to see america become once again. makes me feel good when i show up at my neighbors place and help her w/some chores in exchange for eggs, or i show up at the local farm w/my reusable glass milk bottle for a morning-fresh weekly quart of milk and they know me by my name. I feel connected to them, the cows, the earth...as i peddle my bike to the farm, and i'm getting nutritious, wholesome raw milk
some things i can't avoid going to the super-giants for- gasoline/oil, for example. however, i do my best to support my beliefs
budsmoker87
New Member
+rep
jeff f
New Member
while thats very honorable its not the kind of life everyone wants to live. i totally support your free choice to live like that but that doesnt do anything to help people be protected from the criminal element.
fortunately we also have people that develop weapons systems to protect our population at home and abroad.
i will make a deal with you, i will support your efforts to be in touch with your beliefs. how about supporting my efforts to invest my money where i see fit?
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guitarabuser
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You are very out of touch with the economic reality. Look at the jobs that have been moved to India, China, and B.F.E.
Mechanical Engineers, Electrical Engineers, Process Engineers (there goes your kids future as a chemist), Software Engineers, and the list goes on and on. Where are all the new high-tech factories opening? China, Korea, India, and now SOUTH AFRICA is looking interesting to megacorps.
The jobs we are losing by the thousands are NOT minimum wage positions. They are the good paying careers that people in this country (US) spent a lifetime building through education and hard work.
BTW, I'm no liberal either. I voted republican in almost every election because I thought they were conservatives. I was wrong. Conservatives NEVER would have sold the economic backbone of our country to the highest bidder.
However, back to the point, if we really want to keep jobs for our people: Do what S Korea has done. They require any foreign company that wants to do business on their soil to have a S Korean business partner. They have a share of the business, so there is no way that the business can be completely moved out of the country just to save a few bucks on manufacturing once they have penetrated the market there.
qptyqpty
Active Member
NAFTA and CAFTA are primarily responsible for the "giant sucking sound" that would be American jobs going bye-bye. As Ross Perot often quoted, the passage of these bills would result in loss of national wealth and independence. See, free trade is great for the economy, but really only on the small to midsize business scale (imho) because at these levels businesses are typically family owned and are more aware of their impact economically and environmentally. Large global corporations churn out such large amounts of useless material that they have to turn a blind eye to certain conditions, such as environmental and human impact in the interest of profit.
China is the best example. The working conditions are absolutely horrifying, so that civilized nations can enjoy all the mcdonalds toys and cheap goods as they can buy. A typical chinese worker has work days that often go into triple overtime due to time constraints and deadlines. They get 30 minute sleep breaks AT THEIR STATION for their entire nights rest. If they dont comply they get fired. Shanxi Province. Look it up. Industrial waste is pumped into the yangtse and yellow rivers, causing the river to flow orange and toxic yellow. People are unable to grow with anything but polluted waters and have to consume contaminated water. Some have open sores on their skin from exposure to various solvents in low-hanging mist clouds around their homes.
This is all okay though, because the chinese government doesnt give a fuck about human rights or a lkiving wage, or 8-8-8. They could give a shit about the environment. Our global corporations dont care either, as waste disposal is a stubborn cost. If the work could be done overseas where they dont have to worry about fees for dumping and EPA standards... Well, wouldnt that be wonderful? Wont have to think of new, innovative ways to manufacture stuff while being proactive about the environment, that will cost money. profits wont pay the CEOs millions of dollar a year salary.
How about we give local and small businesses a fair chance again. Lets give the people their bailout. Offer small businesses that employ 100% american staff tax breaks and incentives such as low rates on small business loans and debt forgival. On the flipside, for the global corporations who are able to evade taxes by having a majority of business outside of US... they get tarriffed and taxed like a motherfucker. Employ workers in mexico for 3 dollars an hour while final assembly is done in texas? Well for every part of the car made outside of the US there is a VAT applied. They seem to be enjoying the thought of a VAT well stick it there. And since they want regulation, regulate the amount a damn car costs. $5,000 for the very first compressed air cars, that can be leased out by the government in order to pay for a program that enables people to obtain these cars and then sort of rent to own. The program would include a fee to apply that would cover the cost of employee wages. Would lower pollution and promote people purchasing small, economical transportation, and offering another market for jobs.
Then, on top of that, for each american company that is skirting through loopholes and whatnot, fined for going through loopholes, and fucking with the economic soundness of the united states! Federal reserve, pull the plug. BOOM. Investigate banks on derivatives and shit, then jail them for consumer fraud, ponzi schemes, whatever. Just string em up like chickens. Jail time, Jail time, Jail time, class action suits, etc. Lets use the system to the full advantage.
Jury Nullification is another great start. For all those jailed on pot crimes, or any other petty bullshit, lets use our damned american rights and call bullshit. Then we would have more people ready to work. The other side of the coin for the corporations is a relaxation on their (going to be) much higher taxation if they move their factories from out of the country and employ americans. Hitting the corps in their wallet is the worst you could do. And if they pull out of the us completely, americans will expand the local, small business market to fill the gaps, employing more americans AND generating spending, bringing us out of the depression.
Alll the while, we could focus on novel attempts at alternative energy and sustainability as an everyday word. the earth can no longer sustain our current growth rate. We will continue until food, water, and energy supplies can only sustain a certain number of people, then nature, being cyclical, will take care of the population numbers. However, there is a whole wide sky of trillions and trillions of stars. Theres definitely some importance in putting money in achieving intergalactic exploration and travel, for habitat, fuel, and resources. Hell, maybe even some trade routes? In the 1500's we explored the seas in search of new land. Now we go in search of new land. Maybe we will meet new peoples. Ill bet innovation without regulation will create jobs.
Man I could go on and on...
China is the best example. The working conditions are absolutely horrifying, so that civilized nations can enjoy all the mcdonalds toys and cheap goods as they can buy. A typical chinese worker has work days that often go into triple overtime due to time constraints and deadlines. They get 30 minute sleep breaks AT THEIR STATION for their entire nights rest. If they dont comply they get fired. Shanxi Province. Look it up. Industrial waste is pumped into the yangtse and yellow rivers, causing the river to flow orange and toxic yellow. People are unable to grow with anything but polluted waters and have to consume contaminated water. Some have open sores on their skin from exposure to various solvents in low-hanging mist clouds around their homes.
This is all okay though, because the chinese government doesnt give a fuck about human rights or a lkiving wage, or 8-8-8. They could give a shit about the environment. Our global corporations dont care either, as waste disposal is a stubborn cost. If the work could be done overseas where they dont have to worry about fees for dumping and EPA standards... Well, wouldnt that be wonderful? Wont have to think of new, innovative ways to manufacture stuff while being proactive about the environment, that will cost money. profits wont pay the CEOs millions of dollar a year salary.
How about we give local and small businesses a fair chance again. Lets give the people their bailout. Offer small businesses that employ 100% american staff tax breaks and incentives such as low rates on small business loans and debt forgival. On the flipside, for the global corporations who are able to evade taxes by having a majority of business outside of US... they get tarriffed and taxed like a motherfucker. Employ workers in mexico for 3 dollars an hour while final assembly is done in texas? Well for every part of the car made outside of the US there is a VAT applied. They seem to be enjoying the thought of a VAT well stick it there. And since they want regulation, regulate the amount a damn car costs. $5,000 for the very first compressed air cars, that can be leased out by the government in order to pay for a program that enables people to obtain these cars and then sort of rent to own. The program would include a fee to apply that would cover the cost of employee wages. Would lower pollution and promote people purchasing small, economical transportation, and offering another market for jobs.
Then, on top of that, for each american company that is skirting through loopholes and whatnot, fined for going through loopholes, and fucking with the economic soundness of the united states! Federal reserve, pull the plug. BOOM. Investigate banks on derivatives and shit, then jail them for consumer fraud, ponzi schemes, whatever. Just string em up like chickens. Jail time, Jail time, Jail time, class action suits, etc. Lets use the system to the full advantage.
Jury Nullification is another great start. For all those jailed on pot crimes, or any other petty bullshit, lets use our damned american rights and call bullshit. Then we would have more people ready to work. The other side of the coin for the corporations is a relaxation on their (going to be) much higher taxation if they move their factories from out of the country and employ americans. Hitting the corps in their wallet is the worst you could do. And if they pull out of the us completely, americans will expand the local, small business market to fill the gaps, employing more americans AND generating spending, bringing us out of the depression.
Alll the while, we could focus on novel attempts at alternative energy and sustainability as an everyday word. the earth can no longer sustain our current growth rate. We will continue until food, water, and energy supplies can only sustain a certain number of people, then nature, being cyclical, will take care of the population numbers. However, there is a whole wide sky of trillions and trillions of stars. Theres definitely some importance in putting money in achieving intergalactic exploration and travel, for habitat, fuel, and resources. Hell, maybe even some trade routes? In the 1500's we explored the seas in search of new land. Now we go in search of new land. Maybe we will meet new peoples. Ill bet innovation without regulation will create jobs.
Man I could go on and on...
budsmoker87
New Member
+rep agreed with just about every last idea
budsmoker87
New Member
+rep for the kindness and respect
I agree with the first half of your first post...but my values split from yours when i reached the second half. I don't think anybody deserves to work under such poor labor laws/conditions, and certainly not to produce low-quality junk for mega-corporations under a communist-style government with fascist principles where the corporations make the rules. maybe you feel the same way, idk
But I do feel that this is where we are headed unless we have a serious renniasance in the US. The opportunity for entrepreneurship will continue to shrink, the number of job opportunities will continue to shrink and the gap between the rich and poor will continue to expand until the middle class is non-existant.
I think it has everything to do with our federal reserve system, and the financial oligarchs who've abused their power over controlling the currency in their quest for power. I believe these people, due to their MONETARY or luxurious wealth, have lost touch with their spirituality and have become completely disconnected from the real world, and know no meaning of real VALUE
it's like that saying..."happiness is contentment" ...and the tiger/meal analogy that goes with it.
after all, a happy person is a content person. a content person is a spiritually and emotionally fullfilled person. this person, free of voids, does not seek power, dominance, or isolation...more importantly, that feeling of content can only come from a warmed soul
Woomeister
Well-Known Member
? where ? you forgot to hit the scales! lol.+rep
budsmoker87
New Member
OOPS lol...done 