Obamas Buddies at ACORN!

hanimmal

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Every mortgage that is over 100K (that's almost all of them) 40 bucks goes directly to ACORN...... it's in EVERY mortgage.

Acorn is the worst sort of community activism. The reason both Acorns were FIRED was because they were caught on tape..... this is going on in every Acorn office, make no mistake. That lady was an accountant for Pete's sake....the guy TELLS her he is running a child prostitution ring :lol: Her response? You can deduct them..... oh , and just don't file a return!
They are a pariah organization and represent the failings of socialism....especially in the mindset and methodology department.
Friends of Obama. I've had quite enough of Obama's friends......
How do you know that that lady did not have to go to twenty offices before she got those people to say that? I mean if I am going to try to scam someone chances are I am not going to get what I need on the first shot, I will have to work several people before I am able to get one success.

Where is this 40 bucks thing? This is new to me.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Everything is a surprise for you Han..... want me to BURY you with Acorn abuse stories.... it's easily done.

Take off the blinders.... ur being hoodwinked.
 

Green Cross

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Anyone else have any input?
Funny that the story calls them ACORN officials. It's like calling someone a Klu Klux Clan official. It's an oxymoron to give an incredible organization any credit


Libs use paid thugs like Acorn to stage fake protests, and push their agendas.

I suppose that's why they accuse the right of doing the same thing?
 

hanimmal

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Everything is a surprise for you Han..... want me to BURY you with Acorn abuse stories.... it's easily done.

Take off the blinders.... ur being hoodwinked.
I have seen the stories, but they keep coming up with news ones. Just looking for some specifics of that. I cannot be up to date on every story that gets told. But when new ones I hear, like you saying that $40 goes to Acorn, there should be some language in a bill somewhere that can be pointed to that says just that.

I was asking for that specific one, because it is interesting.

Why do you have to say that it is blinders that stop me from seeing that? I just use common sense that most things are wrong that get put up in the news and internet, because they are.
 

MuyLocoNC

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How do you know that that lady did not have to go to twenty offices before she got those people to say that? I mean if I am going to try to scam someone chances are I am not going to get what I need on the first shot, I will have to work several people before I am able to get one success.

Where is this 40 bucks thing? This is new to me.
I guess there isn't any way to know for sure, however I believe she is a journalist student in Maryland. I searched fairly well on google and I could only find one ACORN office in Maryland... the Baltimore office... the one they went to. I guess they could have travelled to several other states before going to the office right up the road, but I think that would be a bit of a stretch.
 

hanimmal

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You don't and cant debunk the above and respond by telling me I SHOULDN'T watch Fox News? Cripes, I wish I had a dollar for every time I've had to correct the fantasy numbers that are put forth in here. The fact is neither you nor anybody else in here has any idea how much of the 4+ billion will go to Acorn. But, the point is (and as usual, completely missed) they shouldn't be getting a dime of our tax money.
Sure people have an idea. It is simple arithmetic. You take the total: 4.9 Billion and you subtract different organizations that receive money. Like this:


http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/chicopee_boys_and_girls_club_g.html

Chicopee Boys and Girls Club gets $190,000 in federal stimulus funds to replace roof, heating and air conditioning system

by The Republican Newsroom Friday May 01, 2009, 3:26 PM


By HOLLY ANGELO
[email protected]


CHICOPEE - The Boys and Girls Club of Chicopee is reaping the benefits of the federal stimulus package to replace its roof and install new heating, ventilation and air-conditioning units.

U.S. Rep. Richard E. Neal, D-Springfield, Mayor Michael D. Bissonnette and club and city officials gathered inside the club's gymnasium on Friday to celebrate the club's $190,000 windfall. The club would have had to raise $150,000 for the roof and $40,000 for the cooling and heating units if the stimulus money wasn't used.
So there you go, B&G club got almost double the money that Acorn got. But if nothing else we are $190k closer to the total possible number that Acorn can get. I don't have time to try to find every organization that received money and subtract it, but it would be easier to just say that if B&G got double the money, then chances are better that they will recieve all the money over Acorn.

But I don't believe that either.


And I never said don't watch Fox News. I was saying that it is kool aid. And should be treated as such. I don't believe everything that I hear Michael Moore say either. It is the same thing, they are selling a product, and it is entertainment, and should be treated as such.
 

hanimmal

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I guess there isn't any way to know for sure, however I believe she is a journalist student in Maryland. I searched fairly well on google and I could only find one ACORN office in Maryland... the Baltimore office... the one they went to. I guess they could have travelled to several other states before going to the office right up the road, but I think that would be a bit of a stretch.
That is a good point, she most likely did only go to the one then. I will adjust a bit because logic is on your side there. How about several people doing similar things across the nation, it does not just have to be one person doing it all, but a giant smear campaign. I would not doubt that several 'new' stories surface in the coming weeks. Just that that was the most damning and led the bunch.
 

MuyLocoNC

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It's certainly possible. I did see an interview with the guy that starred in and videotaped the shenanigans and he has a history of doing this. I got the impression that this was an idea that these two kids came up with and executed. I don't think we'll be seeing any more of these, simply because everyone from all the other offices have seen it now... at least if they get their news from sources OTHER than the MM. They still aren't running it.
 

hanimmal

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I saw it on MSNBC the other day, so they are talking about it too, that was why I knew what it was about. Hmm actually I could have seen it first on Fox, not sure at this point I flip a lot, but did see it on MSNBC too, so there is some coverage on it.

But I don't underestimate the power of stupidity, it is only a matter of time before someone else in Acorn does something asinine and get it caught on tape again.
 

MuyLocoNC

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Update: The Washington Post and NY Times ran a minuscule AP article that puts the focus on the FIRING of the two employees. Looks like a third of the article is spent on identifying ACORN as advocates of the poor and defending past accusations of voter fraud as rare and insignificant. I guess the story got big enough they just HAD to pay it some kind of lip service.
 

hanimmal

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Ok so I get the child prostitute outrage, but regular prostitute, that will be paying taxes on the money they earn, is that really a bad thing?

I guess I am pro prosti's.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
There is an accountant working for an organization funded by the govt. telling two self incriminating criminals (child prostitution no less) how to defraud that govt.

No problems with Acorn? Fringe elements always fray the tapestry. They do not belong in places of influence over the taxpayer.
 

MuyLocoNC

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I can't back this up with any links but I was just watching NBC and they stated that Acorn alone is eligible for up to 8.5 billion dollars under the stimulus bill. Kinda makes that 4 billion I stated earlier pale by comparison.

Here's what I've found so far. It appears the correct statement is they could get UP TO 8.5 billion.

On the May 18 edition on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minnesota) said she was worried about the fact that ACORN and other organizations would "have access potentially to $8.5 billion" in federal funds.

ACORN, which Bachmann noted has received about $53 million in federal money since the early 1990s, has "a pattern of indictment for voter fraud," she said. "It's very concerning. No organization has a right to federal taxpayer money."

During the heated discussion that followed, longtime ACORN ally Frank said, "the notion that they're eligible for $8 billion is nonsense." A moment later Frank, who appeared last year in one of the group's promotional videos on YouTube called "ACORN Grassroots Democracy Campaign," repeated his mantra.

"But it's not $8 billion," he said.

Bachmann, whose provision blocking ACORN from receiving funding in a recent mortgage reform bill was stripped out at the urging of Frank, has previously said that ACORN and other left-wing advocacy groups could have a shot at pocketing up to $8.5 billion this year.

She's correct. I am the researcher who came up with the $8.5 billion figure.

Let's break the $8.5 billion down.

The relevant fiscal provisions are buried deep in the $800 billion-plus stimulus package now known formally as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 or Public Law 111-5 and in the $47.5 billion proposed fiscal 2010 budget for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

The stimulus legislation originally set aside $5.2 billion that could flow directly or indirectly into the coffers of ACORN and its liberal friends. The $5.2 billion was chopped down to $3 billion in the version of the bill that President Obama signed into law on February 17. The $3 billion consists of $2 billion in funds set aside for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes and $1 billion in Community Development Block Grants (CDBG).

CDBG is good old-fashioned graft. Local politicians of both parties adore CDBG because it is flexible. The program gives them wide latitude when spending grant money and allows local leaders to use federal dollars on local projects that they wouldn't dream of asking local taxpayers to fund. In the words of Heritage Foundation analyst Brian Riedl, CDBG "serves as little more than a congressional slush fund for favored interests...it funds local projects that local governments would not spend their own tax dollars on."

ACORN loves CDBG because it is especially adept at extracting CDBG funds from local governments.

In addition to the $3 billion available in the stimulus package, the proposed HUD budget for the fiscal year that begins October 1 provides $1 billion for the affordable housing trust fund and $4.5 billion in CDBG funds that could in theory find their way to ACORN and other liberal groups.

ACORN acknowledged at page 47 of its 2006 year-end report that it expected to be able to receive funds from "a housing trust fund" that would "make funding available for our development program." The housing trust fund ACORN was hoping for was not enacted until 2008 as part of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac rescue bill.

But the funding formula in the legislation enacted called for Fannie and Freddie to contribute to the housing trust fund out of profits, and it doesn't look like the two government-sponsored enterprises will be able to pay into the fund anytime soon. Adding new money to the fund through the HUD budget is an excellent way to roll out the goodies for loyal supporters in left-of-center political advocacy groups such as ACORN.

Moreover, as the Competitive Enterprise Institute's John Berlau wrote on these cyber pages last June 17, there is no guarantee that the trust fund monies will find their way to their intended recipient. The housing trust fund "is almost set up from the beginning to be diverted to purposes other than affordable housing," he wrote.

The legislation contains few safeguards to ensure the money is spent on affordable housing and has so many holes in it that "would allow the money to be easily siphoned off to liberal activist groups such as Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) for lobbying and political campaigning."

Federal lawmakers have known about ACORN's unorthodox financial practices, including its use of government resources to promote legislation and its commingling of funds within its network of affiliates.

A congressional report noted that there was "apparent cross-over funding between

ACORN, a political advocacy group and ACORN Housing Corp. (AHC), a non profit, AmeriCorp [sic] grantee" that is a major affiliate of ACORN.

The government-funded AmeriCorps, which promotes public service, suspended AHC's funding "after it was learned that AHC and ACORN shared office space and equipment and failed to assure that activities and funds were wholly separate."

The report noted that, "AmeriCorps members of AHC raised funds for ACORN, performed voter registration activities, and gave partisan speeches. In one instance, an AmeriCorps member was directed by ACORN staff to assist the [Clinton] White House in preparing a press conference in support of legislation." ("Report on the Activities of the Committee on Economic and Educational Opportunities During the 104th Congress," Report 104-875, January 2, 1997)

It's impossible to figure out where all of ACORN's money goes. As the Employment Policies Institute noted in a report: "Because it operates a virtual self-contained economy, ACORN entities exchange millions of dollars every year for goods and services. The scant financial documents available for public inspection paint a picture of a spider web of ACORN-run organizations that trade loans, leases, payments, and grants."

Congresswoman Bachmann is right to be worried about ACORN getting its hands on federal tax dollars.

Given its long history of electoral fraud and unorthodox accounting practices it shouldn't get even a penny of federal money.
 

RickWhite

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You know, this thread reminds me why I tend not to get into political discussions on the internet. Here is an issue where everyone should be equally outraged and yet people insist on digging their heels in to toe the party line instead of being objective.

IMO, there is nothing horrible about helping a prostitute do something positive in life (though I concede this is illegal). But, and this is a very big but, these people were talking about importing children for the purpose of prostitution. Upon hearing this, any reasonable person should call 911. And this is not the first time ACORN has been in trouble. Numerous members have been arrested for voter registration fraud - a major crime. These are crimes that should outrage everybody regardless of political affiliation, especially since this organization is slated to receive over 8 billion in tax dollars. Arguing otherwise is simply ludicrous.

As far as the connection to Obama. Obama worked closely with ACORN for years; he was their lawyer. Obama has full knowledge of what goes on there and it's foolish to think he doesn't just like it is foolish to believe he was clueless about what went on in Rev. Write's Church. Obama does have an inordinate amount of connections to shady characters and this latest news is some pretty damning evidence. It is becoming increasingly unreasonable to be dismissive of these connections the way many were before the election.

One of the biggest problems is that most of your major media outlets no longer practice objective journalism. If these stories were on the front page of every newspaper (which they should be), people might think a bit more objectively about what is going on. Unfortunately only the more Right Wing networks carry these stories so it makes it very easy for people to dismiss them as propaganda.

A scandal of this magnitude should receive attention from every news outlet, should spark a rigorous investigation and should outrage everyone.
 

hanimmal

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I come into to these things and always try to read the information and posts with no bias. Then make my decision based off of the info in it.

Did you guys actually read that? It is nothing but conjecture and guesswork, backed up with some facts about the dollar amounts of the different packages. Do you think that Acorn is the only community organization in the country? I am willing to be there are thousands of them that are competing for these grants.

ACORN, which Bachmann noted has received about $53 million in federal money since the early 1990s, has "a pattern of indictment for voter fraud," she said. "It's very concerning. No organization has a right to federal taxpayer money."
How about this one in 2004?
Catholic Charities USA has received a five-year, 100 million dollar federal contract to aid in disaster relief throughout the United States. The contract is the charity’s first ever federal contract.
So just in 5 years they have double the money that Acorn has received in 20.

The relevant fiscal provisions are buried deep in the $800 billion-plus stimulus package now known formally as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 or Public Law 111-5 and in the $47.5 billion proposed fiscal 2010 budget for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.
is that why it is on the first page (called a table of contents, that is obviously trying to say that it was somehow trying to be hidden from the public. These people think that whomever is reading this is a true believer and won't see any logic other than what was created.


CDBG is good old-fashioned graft. Local politicians of both parties adore CDBG because it is flexible. The program gives them wide latitude when spending grant money and allows local leaders to use federal dollars on local projects that they wouldn't dream of asking local taxpayers to fund. In the words of Heritage Foundation analyst Brian Riedl, CDBG "serves as little more than a congressional slush fund for favored interests...it funds local projects that local governments would not spend their own tax dollars on."
Yeah I mean don't detroiters have enough money to demo all the abandoned buildings on their own!

Here check it out, do the walk around thing too http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=detroit&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=il&start=0

2998 Canton St, Detroit, MI, United States is decent to start the street level at. The money to tear down those abandoned homes is important.


Anyway here is some of my favorite quotes that show how well written this article is:
"ACORN and other organizations would "have access potentially to $8.5 billion" in federal funds."
Holy cow some nut that thinks god talks to her says that Acorn and OTHER ORGANIZATIONS will have access to money! NOOO not 'other organizations!'

"Bachmann, whose provision blocking ACORN from receiving funding in a recent mortgage reform bill was stripped out at the urging of Frank, has previously said that ACORN and other left-wing advocacy groups could have a shot at pocketing up to $8.5 billion this year."
Yeah because there are no right wing advocacy groups, nor churches, nor non political groups, nor current government programs that would want that, so it would all go to Acorn.

The stimulus legislation originally set aside $5.2 billion that could flow directly or indirectly into the coffers of ACORN and its liberal friends.
Not could! Oh no! My grandmother could be my grandfather if she had balls.

The program gives them wide latitude when spending grant money and allows local leaders to use federal dollars on local projects that they wouldn't dream of asking local taxpayers to fund.
They do ask, but since these places are dirt ass poor, there is no more money to get. A couple dollars from a few people is hardly enough to pull down even one home.

ACORN loves CDBG because it is especially adept at extracting CDBG funds from local governments.

Oh nice, here this covered this as bullshit back in feb. But as that chick thinks god spoke to her, chances are he did not give her this info:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/02/the-stimulus-bill-and-acorn/

I wish that as smart as you guys are, you would start to question your sources more. They are tricking you into the same stupid furvor they tricked us with on Bush.
 

Wavels

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Here is some information regarding the young woman and her organization which uncovered the outrageous behavior of the ex-employees of ACORN.
:leaf:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Want-to-know-who-is-Hannah-Giles-59123682.html
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Want to know who is Hannah Giles?

By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
09/12/09 9:12 AM EDT



Hannah Giles, the young woman who dressed up and posed as a whore in the BigGovernment.com ACORN child prostitution sting videos, is an aspiring investigative reporter and National Journalism Center intern. You can read her Townhall.com bio here. Not familiar with NJC? Go here.
Actually, I shouldn't say "aspiring," as she's already accomplished something nobody from 60 Minutes, The New York Times, or any other mainstrream media thought to do, and that is find a way to expose the dirty truth behind the closed doors of ACORN. She was able to do that because she asked the right question, unemcumbered by the liberal conventional wisdom that blinds so many Mainstream Media journalists.
Reminds me of the undercover video stories done by Diane Sawyer years ago. Remember the green meat stories?
I hope Giles and her partner in this daring enterprise, Jamie O'Keefe, spark a mass movement of young conservatives who decide to become investigative journalists. As I've been telling such folks for years now, there is a target-rich environment out there just waiting to be exposed.
And a good place to start learning how to do that is the Database 101 Computer-Assisted Research and Reporting program that I started in 2000 at The Heritage Foundation and which continues today. Most of the one-day seminars are held at the National Press Club and are always free of charge for attendees.
Earlier this summer, we took the program on the road to Pittsburgh for the Right Online conference in conjunction with the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, a project of Heritage's State Policy Network, that is building a nationwide corps of investigative types.
Why is this important? As Patrick Henry said: "The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them."
 

Green Cross

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FOX news is the only news co that has reported this story, besides CNN.

No wonder Obama hates FOX, because he hates the truth.

Most the country is left living in ignorant bliss as usual
 
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