Who's Sick Of Obama Yet?

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FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
You act like I have said that Obama is not a politician. Way before you put on that stupid avatar that you think upsets people, I have said that Obama is a politician and should not be trusted, and will lie for his own ends. I just don't buy all the conspiracy garbage that keeps getting pushed. Since it is moslty bullshit. If you are stupid enough to think that there are not always handpicked people in the stands well then I am sorry that you are easily deceived.

Fletch: Ok guess I gotta set you straight too. the avatar is for myself not for anyone else. it expresses my thoughts about him and I find it amusing and correct. If you knew me you would know I give 2 fucks about what anyone thinks about me or what I do so that being said I dont care if it offends or pleaes anyone .Its my avatar I choose as I liked it.Now as I said yes we know all politicians lie but there seems to be this democartic believ Obama is honest and true and is transparent and that was just to show anyone not just you that he is as big a liar as any politician so the he is honest and a change shit is out the window,,

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Congrats on quitting smoking. I would love to (smoke about 3 a day) but my fiance' is adicted to them so I do it to talk with her outside when she smokes.

There are taxes on liquor because of those very things you say. If the companies that provided alchohol and cigerettes paid for all the care that the people that use their products end up needing when they develope cancer or get into an accident then there would be no reason to tax them. But until they do we the people have to pick up their tab, and if people want to be destructive I am all for it, but they need to pay for it eventually, we should not be left with their bill when they leave the resturaunt of life.

Fletch: Quitting was hard for me I smoke 4 packs a day for maybe 12 years then while at the batting cages it felt like I got kicked in the chest. When i got in the car to go home I rolled the window down to light up and said fuck it tossed the pack out the window and quit which was in 2000...when was the last 168% tax increase on alcohol? Do they make drinkers go outside and drink so those in the restaraunt dont have to be around it? I dont know but they seem to target smokers. If you dont have insurance then you dont get medical help. I have no insurance if I need stitches I have 2 options go in and pay out of pocket or self stitches and I have stitched myself many times over the years . no one pays for my medical but me.
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How can it be a lack of transperacy when he is talking about different ideas that he is thinking about doing, especially when it was one of the ones that WAS NOT USED. Transperancy is hiding things from the public, and that was an idea that he put out into the public to open the debate of what to do. It was an idea for health reform that was discarded early on.

People amaze me. You want transperancy but when you get it you use it as a way to say, see he is lying about this because look he said this here, when it is a totally different idea.

FLETCH: When he sayss absolutly no new taxes or tax increases of any kind on those under $250000 what does that mean to you? To me if its transparent it mean no new taxes at all not one which mean no new cig tax, no vehicle tax, no budget repy tax, no home tax, no proerty tax, no gas tax, not one tax not just the big income tax. And thats what he ran on but I knew better Im not stupid anyone with a brain knows thats not possible and just bullshit to get the dummies to vote and it workewd great plan. But it does mean he is a liar and not transparent. see he calls himself transparaebt and brings it up almost daily which is why its bad as he is as secretive and closed off as all politicians but the more he bol;dly lies whne he is so bad at it it makes him look stupid in the same time..
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Again you are mistaking one way to do something with the way that it must happen. I need to pay a bill. I can directly write a check, I can pay cash that I have in the house. I can use a credit card, I can open a tab, I can cut off the power, I can do some financing, ect. They are all means to an end, but using one doesn't mean that is how it has to be done. That link is a article that pretends to say that there is only one way to do something that the person that is doing it has repeatedly said he is not going to do.

Fletch: Ok if I say this costs $10 and it has to be paid off within 12 months at 5% interest per month the result is the same no matter how you pay. The numbers are there you cant change the facts and the numbers that were used are Obamas numbers and rates. TYhey are not made up..No matter what 2+2=4 always you cant change the resukts unless the numbers change and those are the numbers Obama has said are his numbers so not much you can hide thier or change..
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God please no youtube video, just need a link that shows Obama or his people saying that there will be a tax on the middle classes, that is not from a third party saying that is what he meant to say, and not from the election.
Fletch: So if I found a youtube video of CNN or MSNBC actuial report thats not real?
 

hanimmal

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Fletch: Ok guess I gotta set you straight too. the avatar is for myself not for anyone else. it expresses my thoughts about him and I find it amusing and correct. If you knew me you would know I give 2 fucks about what anyone thinks about me or what I do so that being said I dont care if it offends or pleaes anyone .Its my avatar I choose as I liked it.Now as I said yes we know all politicians lie but there seems to be this democartic believ Obama is honest and true and is transparent and that was just to show anyone not just you that he is as big a liar as any politician so the he is honest and a change shit is out the window,,
You are a tool. You go all waspish about your avatar, news flash I don't care how lame your avatar is. I said that because I knew you think you are cool by having something that is over played. You are so misunderstood.

You think that people don't understand that Obama is a politician? And you think that people think that politicians don't lie? And if you don't why do you feel that you need to attack everything with falsities?

Fletch: Quitting was hard for me I smoke 4 packs a day for maybe 12 years then while at the batting cages it felt like I got kicked in the chest. When i got in the car to go home I rolled the window down to light up and said fuck it tossed the pack out the window and quit which was in 2000...when was the last 168% tax increase on alcohol? Do they make drinkers go outside and drink so those in the restaraunt dont have to be around it? I dont know but they seem to target smokers. If you dont have insurance then you dont get medical help. I have no insurance if I need stitches I have 2 options go in and pay out of pocket or self stitches and I have stitched myself many times over the years . no one pays for my medical but me.
Smoking affects others (2nd hand smoke). Alcohol is only a danger by the person drinking it.

What happens if you get into a car accident and are put into a comma?

FLETCH: When he sayss absolutly no new taxes or tax increases of any kind on those under $250000 what does that mean to you? To me if its transparent it mean no new taxes at all not one which mean no new cig tax, no vehicle tax, no budget repy tax, no home tax, no proerty tax, no gas tax, not one tax not just the big income tax. And thats what he ran on but I knew better Im not stupid anyone with a brain knows thats not possible and just bullshit to get the dummies to vote and it workewd great plan. But it does mean he is a liar and not transparent. see he calls himself transparaebt and brings it up almost daily which is why its bad as he is as secretive and closed off as all politicians but the more he bol;dly lies whne he is so bad at it it makes him look stupid in the same time..
Republican tactic #306 If you have no real retort, go ahead and argue a completely different point.

What you replied above has nothing to do with what I had said. You linked a biased reporting about a idea of his that had been put out into the public, and was never used back when they were beginning the talks about health care reform, and you call that not being transperent.

Fletch: Ok if I say this costs $10 and it has to be paid off within 12 months at 5% interest per month the result is the same no matter how you pay. The numbers are there you cant change the facts and the numbers that were used are Obamas numbers and rates. TYhey are not made up..No matter what 2+2=4 always you cant change the resukts unless the numbers change and those are the numbers Obama has said are his numbers so not much you can hide thier or change..
There are too many ways to collect taxes than to just pick one that has been repeatedly told is not going to happen because it scares the shit out of people that refuse to say one good thing about the guy.

He could further raise taxes on the top tax brackets, he could increase corporate gains taxes, he could cut military spending, he could get rid of some other government programs like ss and medicare, he could shut the government down for a month, he could drop the post office (not a bad idea if we had those workers ready for a new career. On and on, but you pick one and run with it, when again repeatedly told is not going to happen.

Once his administration comes out and says that this is the case, or starts to drop hints (not outside politicians, but inside the Obama administration) it is better to err on the side of it not happening, since it doesn't change anything anyway except your bloodpressure.

Fletch: So if I found a youtube video of CNN or MSNBC actuial report thats not real?
No they are a joke. If you find the articles that the Obama administration is quoted saying it then maybe. Well hell post the video if you think that it is real, why not.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Its pointless to continue this with you as you now have stated any video recording of cnn or msnbc is fake and that all reports Fox make are lies...soo according to you if you were not in front of Obama as he spoke and wrote it then its a lie so no way to prove anything to you until you get the personal ass raping he is getting you ready for.Anyone else feels like debating a dem in denile go ahead I give up as its pointless when everyone but him is a liar
 

what... huh?

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Smoking affects others (2nd hand smoke).
No it doesn't. The EPA study that was able to produce those results could not be reproduced anywhere else in the world. It was a political tactic and the study has long since been denounced by the researchers involved as junk science that they were pressured to engineer.

Alcohol is only a danger by the person drinking it.
Alcohol affects the individual drinking its ability to reason, which puts everyone around them at risk. Especially on the road.

What happens if you get into a car accident and are put into a comma?
By a drunk driver?

He could further raise taxes on the top tax brackets,

By all means... punish success. Completely remove any motivation to innovate.

he could increase corporate gains taxes,
Or just force them to pay income taxes, as the point of incorporation is to be viewed as an entity to indemnify the executives from the machine.

he could cut military spending,
No.

he could get rid of some other government programs like ss and medicare,
Or welfare.

he could shut the government down for a month
Yes. Make them even more ineffective.

he could drop the post office (not a bad idea if we had those workers ready for a new career.
We have the most effective post office in the world. It is one of the few government programs that is efficient and largely self sustaining... but it could go away.


The notion that because people have things that the government has any right to come take them because others do not, is decidedly un-American. I have 2 houses... should the government come take my rental property because there are homeless people? It is asinine.
 

CrackerJax

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I'm all for shutting down the govt. for a month......make it three months. Shut it down until Obama coughs up the Long Form BC...:lol: Sweet!!

Either way..... America wins!!
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
remember how it supposed to be the states run the federal government and tell it how to represent them wow how that got twisted hell now the government tells business what they will sell or offer and for how much lol
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Its pointless to continue this with you as you now have stated any video recording of cnn or msnbc is fake and that all reports Fox make are lies...soo according to you if you were not in front of Obama as he spoke and wrote it then its a lie so no way to prove anything to you until you get the personal ass raping he is getting you ready for.Anyone else feels like debating a dem in denile go ahead I give up as its pointless when everyone but him is a liar
No you are wrong, if it is showing what he has said with video at a press conference or w/e then by all means show it. If it is talking heads saying that he means to say this, then it is manufactuered. The 24 hour news is a joke. They lie all the time, that is why if you cannot see it in print and it is not coming out of the mouth of the Obama administration, chances are there is very little truth to it.

You just are mad because you have nothing that is true with your arguments. You are scared for no reason and I am just trying to help you to see that there is a lot of benefit for you.

And you are a republican that refuses to see that someone is trying to make things better.

No it doesn't. The EPA study that was able to produce those results could not be reproduced anywhere else in the world. It was a political tactic and the study has long since been denounced by the researchers involved as junk science that they were pressured to engineer.
I just asked this to my fiance' and she said that there is a lot of science behind this, so I would be very interested in it. Doesn't really matter I am more curious now to see what is pointing to it being junk science.

Alcohol affects the individual drinking its ability to reason, which puts everyone around them at risk. Especially on the road.
That is why I said the person drinking it is the danger to others, not the alcohol itself.

By a drunk driver?
No just in general. If he gets into a car accident today and is put into a coma who pays for him not having insurance?

By all means... punish success. Completely remove any motivation to innovate.
I am a household that will have to pay more money. And I will tell you this, I would not pass up on another dollar to not pay an extra 13 cents.

We have the most effective post office in the world. It is one of the few government programs that is efficient and largely self sustaining... but it could go away.


The notion that because people have things that the government has any right to come take them because others do not, is decidedly un-American. I have 2 houses... should the government come take my rental property because there are homeless people? It is asinine.
I was just pointing out that there are a million ways to cut spending. In fact Obama just said that his idea is to not allow tax deductions be larger for people that have over a certain amount of money than they are for the people that make less when they give to charity.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Its pointless as if I offer anything you ask for you call it a lie if it doesnt fit what you want..How about a fox news report ohh non no they are liers and republicans. I said what about a youtube posting of the actual cnn or msnbc news showing the story your like noo no youtube its fake and not real hell its the damn news from tv just recorded so its impossible to give you any proof as like I said if its not from you directly standing by Obama its a lie so yeah you win can debate someone who is so parnoid that everything not from his mouth is lies cant be done. So Im done. Im good with me and knowing the truth and you be good with you know what you think is true
 

what... huh?

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Fair tax.


That is all.



My old man was upper level management at EPA during that study, and it was the reason he left. The lead researcher was at our home many times for dinner... so I have a little bit more perspective than most... but it is widely documented. I have to go just now... remind me and I will hunt down some info for you tomorrow.
 

hanimmal

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My old man was upper level management at EPA during that study, and it was the reason he left. The lead researcher was at our home many times for dinner... so I have a little bit more perspective than most... but it is widely documented. I have to go just now... remind me and I will hunt down some info for you tomorrow.
That is awesome man thank you I would love to hear more about this.

Its pointless as if I offer anything you ask for you call it a lie if it doesnt fit what you want..How about a fox news report ohh non no they are liers and republicans. I said what about a youtube posting of the actual cnn or msnbc news showing the story your like noo no youtube its fake and not real hell its the damn news from tv just recorded so its impossible to give you any proof as like I said if its not from you directly standing by Obama its a lie so yeah you win can debate someone who is so parnoid that everything not from his mouth is lies cant be done. So Im done. Im good with me and knowing the truth and you be good with you know what you think is true
It is because all the news channels have switched from actual news to being a entertainment channel. They no longer rely on the facts to make a story.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that unless there is proof that this is happening, and not a guess by someone trying to make a news story interesting, that it means nothing?

Obama continues to say that he does not want to raise taxes on the middle classes. But yet everyone says no thats not true. Nothing this big in Washington that affects America happens overnight. Can it happen, of course it can, but in the void of actual facts I feel that the people that are making the decisions on it should be taken largely into consideration. We will have better signals that it is happening than just conjecture on behalf of the fake news organizations.
 

Big P

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Fair tax.


That is all.



My old man was upper level management at EPA during that study, and it was the reason he left. The lead researcher was at our home many times for dinner... so I have a little bit more perspective than most... but it is widely documented. I have to go just now... remind me and I will hunt down some info for you tomorrow.


ya if you could that would be nice, i got kids and i smoke the house

and my dad keeps telling me i am harming my children

our lungs are strong and are used to inhaling smoke cuz we lived by camp fire for 200,000 years i cant imagine second hand smoke is harmful, unless u are always in a visably smokey room
 

purplekitty7772008

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Make it forever, let the states govern themselves in all aspects.
Yeah, that sounds good.

:-P

Lets face it, Obama is a liar, just like most other politicians.

I sat there and watched him lie at the town hall conference.
I asked my grandpa if he supports the bill, and he said yes.

So I sent him the bill, and highlighted all the things Obama said WOULDN'T happen, and he changed his mind as soon as he read it.

People need to read the bill, and I'm pretty sure they would oppose it.

Thanks to Hannimal for sending me the link. It just makes me
hate the bill even more.

Lets just say fuck the government, and the states can govern
themselves.

What we really need to do is throw out all the unhonest money grubbing politicians, and congressmans, and replace them with

NORMAL middle class Americans (obviously educated ones) that have a heart.
We need to total re-do washington....

The first person I'd re-vote back in would be Ron Paul.
He wants the audit the Fed for crying out loud.

Who wouldn't want to shut down a private bank that's the
root of most of America's debt problems?

Fuck yeah!!!

Or better yet, convince your state to secede. We don't
need anyone telling us what to do.

What don't these politicians and the government understand
about "LIVE AND LET LIVE" ?
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
good post purple except id pass on ron paul unless he was just hired to audit not be in charge and Id pass on succession but clean the whjole lot out all the old blood both dems and rebulicans and any stray liberals lol
 

purplekitty7772008

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good post purple except id pass on ron paul unless he was just hired to audit not be in charge and Id pass on succession but clean the whjole lot out all the old blood both dems and rebulicans and any stray liberals lol
lol. No, I didn't mean it as Ron being in charge.

We should just vote in people that don't have a specified
party.

Labeling ourselves and Democratic and Republican only
seperates us more and makes it harder for us to ban

together and rebuild America.


Just my .02
 
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oasis515

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"if" things get better, will anyone give obama credit? doubt it. Even though it will be because of his policies,
everyone will keep talking about how he wants usa into turn into nazi germany and how obama has a taste for newborn baby blood.
if at the end of four years the USA is in much worse shape then he will be voted out. i doubt the next four could be worse than the past eight.

btw when a better alternative comes up to a situation and you take it over the previous option, that isn't lying- it's adapting. Just like crappy Republicans are trying to change their angle of attack with "wedge" issues that have nothing to do with healthcare to get people stirred up.

I like the guy who was freaking out about terrorists being imprisoned in america at a town hall meeting about healthcare. Besides, i'm pretty sure terrorists don't have magical fire breath that allows them and nobody else to escape from modern max security prisons. I mean, we keep people in there that eat other peoples brains.....
 

CrackerJax

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No, Obama won't get the credit from ppl who understand economics......

He will get the credit from those who do NOT understand how the economy works.

This should leave Obama with a false positive, which he will gladly accept. As long as the ppl are fooled, that's good enough.
 

hanimmal

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No, Obama won't get the credit from ppl who understand economics......

He will get the credit from those who do NOT understand how the economy works.

This should leave Obama with a false positive, which he will gladly accept. As long as the ppl are fooled, that's good enough.
Ok CrackerJax explain the money multiplier model. You seem to be a economic genius, so this should be very easy for you to do as you can find it with a fast google search, but I am curious what you come up with.

Just like everything else, republicans you will refuse to give him credit for anything. But what else would be new.
 

CrackerJax

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I hope you are aware that the evil FED pulled us back from the brink of the Govt. caused financial meltdown last January?

The FED cannot be replaced at this juncture......not without making good on our debts (an impossibility)
 
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