STFU dick cheney....

[joker152]

well first off on a fairly different note i do remember sean hannity explicitly saying that he doesnt think waterboarding actually is torture and said on his heavily partisan fox news program that he would actually allow someone to waterboard him if it would "shut those hippies up". so instead of wasting your time with this petition when you should just be harrasing your senators about it why dont we start a petition holding sean hannity to his claims and require him to actually be waterboarded in front of an audience, furthermore we should try to make this event pay-per-view and use that money to bail out gm instead of tax money? that sounds like a fucking awsome idea, who wouldnt pay to see that shit? im a broke ass college student and i would bust out the already almost maxed out credit card to watch that shit.
also isnt dick cheneys daughter a lesbian? and didnt he denounce her sexuality outright after he was elected while doing his best to try to hide it while they were up for election?

 

[jrh72582]

Well you see, I think the difference is that Max insults everyone in generalities instead of in specific like you.

Cause I don't really see him replying to you and saying that you are a piece of shit, but I do see you saying that he is a piece of shit (despite your weak attempts to censor it.)

Oh I understand very well the rhetorical strategy of addressing particular audiences in generalities so as to avoid any negative ethos that may be gained by offending anyone. However, I speak to him without the veil of bullshit by calling him out and calling it what it is. You know damn well what he said and I addressed it as such. Period.

Don't speak down to me. Did I call HIM a racist? YES, because he is a piece of shit. I said it very clearly. I don't resort to generalities. I could say that those who act under his banner are worthless pieces of shit, but I would rather call him out and save anyone else from being caught in any association with this guy's beliefs, as he is a piece of shit. Do you understand?

Rhetoric is a tool used by those with something to gain. I don't use rhetoric when we're supposed to be sharing ideas for the purpose of learning. I don't use fallacy to prove my point, because I'm not here to prove a point. I'm here to engage in edifying discourse. Max (aka - the piece of shit) uses rhetoric and fallacy to coerce his ridiculous opinion on others.

 

[tilemaster]

i think all this media torture hype is crap.. we had 2 jets flown in2 our buildings..top officials wanted info..they tortured to get it..this shit dates back to B.C. this world is all to familiar with torture..this is just 2009 am more empathic world.. i say keep on smashn and water beating mo fuckers who perpertrate....my ignorant views..

 

[tipsgnob]

well first off on a fairly different note i do remember sean hannity explicitly saying that he doesnt think waterboarding actually is torture and said on his heavily partisan fox news program that he would actually allow someone to waterboard him if it would "shut those hippies up". so instead of wasting your time with this petition when you should just be harrasing your senators about it why dont we start a petition holding sean hannity to his claims and require him to actually be waterboarded in front of an audience, furthermore we should try to make this event pay-per-view and use that money to bail out gm instead of tax money? that sounds like a fucking awsome idea, who wouldnt pay to see that shit? im a broke ass college student and i would bust out the already almost maxed out credit card to watch that shit.
also isnt dick cheneys daughter a lesbian? and didnt he denounce her sexuality outright after he was elected while doing his best to try to hide it while they were up for election?

I would pay even more to see cheney waterboarded...

 

[natrone23]

John Bolton

Another warmonger who ducked service when it was his time.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Oh I understand very well the rhetorical strategy of addressing particular audiences in generalities so as to avoid any negative ethos that may be gained by offending anyone. However, I speak to him without the veil of bullshit by calling him out and calling it what it is. You know damn well what he said and I addressed it as such. Period.

Don't speak down to me. Did I call HIM a racist? YES, because he is a piece of shit. I said it very clearly. I don't resort to generalities. I could say that those who act under his banner are worthless pieces of shit, but I would rather call him out and save anyone else from being caught in any association with this guy's beliefs, as he is a piece of shit. Do you understand?

Rhetoric is a tool used by those with something to gain. I don't use rhetoric when we're supposed to be sharing ideas for the purpose of learning. I don't use fallacy to prove my point, because I'm not here to prove a point. I'm here to engage in edifying discourse. Max (aka - the piece of shit) uses rhetoric and fallacy to coerce his ridiculous opinion on others.

Strange, for some one that objects to being spoken down to like a child you sure do have a habit of engaging in hypocrisy by committing the same error.

Of course I understand your point in calling him a piece of shit, but I'm saying that the reason why he hasn't been banned is because he is addressing everyone in a group instead of singling some one out for abuse.

Something that you are failing to do (and something that I got an infraction for failing to do.)

You asked why he wasn't banned, or stated that you didn't understand why he hadn't banned and I provided you with my opinion on why that was so. There was no talking down to you, there was providing you with a simple opinion on why he hadn't been banned.

Though I fail to see how he can be a racist piece of shit, I mean, I see the cliche discriminatory phrase rag-head, but seeings as how those people did kill 3,000 of our citizens and destroy two very expensive buildings I do believe that people are entitled to having an opinion that they are rag-headed sons of bitches and something less than human. Especially in the event that they lost family members in the 9-11 attacks.
To return your prose I can only ask if you understand the point I am trying to make. So, do you understand my point?

 

[TheDemocrat]

Line starts here. All you brave young men.

http://www.youtube.com/[youtube]9G2wZ5A2zRA[/youtube]

 

[jrh72582]

Strange, for some one that objects to being spoken down to like a child you sure do have a habit of engaging in hypocrisy by committing the same error.

Of course I understand your point in calling him a piece of shit, but I'm saying that the reason why he hasn't been banned is because he is addressing everyone in a group instead of singling some one out for abuse.

Something that you are failing to do (and something that I got an infraction for failing to do.)

You asked why he wasn't banned, or stated that you didn't understand why he hadn't banned and I provided you with my opinion on why that was so. There was no talking down to you, there was providing you with a simple opinion on why he hadn't been banned.

Though I fail to see how he can be a racist piece of shit, I mean, I see the cliche discriminatory phrase rag-head, but seeings as how those people did kill 3,000 of our citizens and destroy two very expensive buildings I do believe that people are entitled to having an opinion that they are rag-headed sons of bitches and something less than human. Especially in the event that they lost family members in the 9-11 attacks.
To return your prose I can only ask if you understand the point I am trying to make. So, do you understand my point?

I understand your point. My question as to why he has not been banned was a rhetorical one. I know the answer - I was merely addressing the bullshit justification. He's playing it safe and doesn't get banned - it's bullshit. I was trying to make a point. Maybe the mods should take consideration. If not, I don't care - I merely wanted to make my point. I did not mean to talk down to you, although I came across as such.

And I use the term 'racist' to describe Max because of numerous things he's said (in addition to the word 'rag-head' being thrown around as proper nomenclature or vernacular). Many people wear turbans - FEW are terrorists. Just because the assholes who perpetrated 9/11 wore turbans does NOT mean that everyone who wears a turban is a terrorist. Max was using metonymy to justify his argument that everyone who wears a turban is a terrorist. That is racism - judging a whole group of people because of a shared characteristic that others display. Plain and simple - racism.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

I understand your point. My question as to why he has not been banned was a rhetorical one. I know the answer - I was merely addressing the bullshit justification. He's playing it safe and doesn't get banned - it's bullshit. I was trying to make a point. Maybe the mods should take consideration. If not, I don't care - I merely wanted to make my point. I did not mean to talk down to you, although I came across as such.

And I use the term 'racist' to describe Max because of numerous things he's said (in addition to the word 'rag-head' being thrown around as proper nomenclature or vernacular). Many people wear turbans - FEW are terrorists. Just because the assholes who perpetrated 9/11 wore turbans does NOT mean that everyone who wears a turban is a terrorist. Max was using metonymy to justify his argument that everyone who wears a turban is a terrorist. That is racism - judging a whole group of people because of a shared characteristic that others display. Plain and simple - racism.

Yeah, but do you really think he cares?

 

[jrh72582]

Yeah, but do you really think he cares?

No, he doesn't.


I honestly like hearing from the various opinions on this site. A large demographic is represented on this site as well as a contingent of independent, free-thinking people with ideas. I love it. I respect conservatives, libertarians, leftists (pretty much anything other than dem/rep) and enjoy their perspective. What I do not appreciate is a racist or bigot. They merely drag discourse down to impure depths.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

No, he doesn't.


I honestly like hearing from the various opinions on this site. A large demographic is represented on this site as well as a contingent of independent, free-thinking people with ideas. I love it. I respect conservatives, libertarians, leftists (pretty much anything other than dem/rep) and enjoy their perspective. What I do not appreciate is a racist or bigot. They merely drag discourse down to impure depths.

You know that, I know that, but its easier to ignore them.

And yeah, I love the arguments I get into here, having my opinions challenged allows me to refine them (which is a continual process.)

If I wanted to form my opinions with out argument, input, having to express them so I can look at them objectively (from another perspective) I wouldn't post here, I'd go to a Republican-Conservative site and allow myself to be surrounded by yes-man.

Which would be very, very, very boring and very, very, very unstimulating. I mean, who besides politicians want to be surrounded by yes-men?

 

[jrh72582]

You know that, I know that, but its easier to ignore them.

And yeah, I love the arguments I get into here, having my opinions challenged allows me to refine them (which is a continual process.)

If I wanted to form my opinions with out argument, input, having to express them so I can look at them objectively (from another perspective) I wouldn't post here, I'd go to a Republican-Conservative site and allow myself to be surrounded by yes-man.

Which would be very, very, very boring and very, very, very unstimulating. I mean, who besides politicians want to be surrounded by yes-men?

You nailed it! It's absolutely necessary to surround ourselves with gadflies so that me might continually improve and refine. I'm a Socratic at heart and agree wholeheartedly with this line of reasoning. It's my guiding philosophy and my pedagogy.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

You nailed it! It's absolutely necessary to surround ourselves with gadflies so that me might continually improve and refine. I'm a Socratic at heart and agree wholeheartedly with this line of reasoning. It's my guiding philosophy and my pedagogy.

I've always thought of myself more as a stoic.

 

[LiEBE420]

she is right...I saw it on the news last week....

word

 

[jrh72582]

I've always thought of myself more as a stoic.

But you don't seem like someone who resigns himself to the ways and realities of the world.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

But you don't seem like someone who resigns himself to the ways and realities of the world.

Whereas events are ultimately outside my control that does not mean I can't be prepared for them, or try to alter them.

 

[GrowRebel]

you have to have the terrorists upside down during the interview. so the water goes down his nose

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All the videos I've posted in my thread of people being waterboarded were lying down so once again you demonstrate you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

you all act so self rightous about these ass holes so called rights.

You'd be the first to scream like a little bitch if it was your rights that were being violated. You are nothing but a hypocrite.

this country was founding on murdering the american indian to steal his land..murdered and starved and killed their babys ..and gave them small pox..moved them to the worst fucking places in this country that could not grow food in many cases.this shit is still going on right today and all you fucking ignorant liberals can talk about is the rights of terrorists.

The Indians were severely fucked over by the government ...gives you a good idea how the government treats it's own. I've no problem speaking out about that. And how the fuck do you know these people are terrorists? Because the government that lies told you so? People that don't get a trial or charged with a crime or given access to a lawyer? I'm not suppose to speak out about that? ... what the fuck happen to innocent until proven guilty? You have a lot of nerve calling someone ignorant with all the stupid shit in your post.

FUCKING WOW..i dont know what else to say..i think you liberals fuckers have to really be the most worthless mother fuckers to breath air..if you would all crawl off in a corner and rot would make alot of us happy as hell.

Know what? We feel the same way about your ignorant ass ... you have to be a pretty low life sub human with no sense of decency to condone torture especially when done for political gain ... you don't know what you are talking about ... try and get an education before posting again. You only prove I'm right.

Water-boarding - If done properly does nothing more than cause mental anguish

Said the guy that's never been waterboarded ... so he should know .... right? Blowing it out your ass again I see ... it causes a lot more than mental anguish ... Mancow a right wing pundit had more guts than that coward hannity. He said he has chest pains afterward ... but a person with your expertise in torture probably know he's lying.
And it doesn't matter that you don't think it's torture ... the law states it is ... and rightly so.

More so, is if it was as torturous as claimed then why was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed able to go through it 86 times with out speaking?

Once again you show us your stupidity ... he was waterboarded 86 times because he didn't say the magic words the regime wanted to hear to further their political agenda ... that's why. Check out the fourth report down in the "political gain" link above folks at home ... all ready been there done this.

Oh and cheney is a war criminal that need to be in prison not on TV.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

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All the videos I've posted in my thread of people being waterboarded were lying down so once again you demonstrate you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.


You'd be the first to scream like a little bitch if it was your rights that were being violated. You are nothing but a hypocrite.


The Indians were severely fucked over by the government ...gives you a good idea how the government treats it's own. I've no problem speaking out about that. And how the fuck do you know these people are terrorists? Because the government that lies told you so? People that don't get a trial or charged with a crime or given access to a lawyer? I'm not suppose to speak out about that? ... what the fuck happen to innocent until proven guilty? You have a lot of nerve calling someone ignorant with all the stupid shit in your post.

Know what? We feel the same way about your ignorant ass ... you have to be a pretty low life sub human with no sense of decency to condone torture especially when done for political gain ... you don't know what you are talking about ... try and get an education before posting again. You only prove I'm right.


Said the guy that's never been waterboarded ... so he should know .... right? Blowing it out your ass again I see ... it causes a lot more than mental anguish ... Mancow a right wing pundit had more guts than that coward hannity. He said he has chest pains afterward ... but a person with your expertise in torture probably know he's lying.
And it doesn't matter that you don't think it's torture ... the law states it is ... and rightly so.




Once again you show us your stupidity ... he was waterboarded 86 times because he didn't say the magic words the regime wanted to hear to further their political agenda ... that's why. Check out the fourth report down in the "political gain" link above folks at home ... all ready been there done this.

No, I'm pretty sure I still have a valid point. If it is as torturous as you are claiming then how was one person able to resist saying what the people wanted to hear through 86 interrogative sessions?

Do you not imagine that if the military was looking for a confession with words that they wanted they would not just have some one lead the person on until they admitted to whatever the military wanted them to admit to?

Though thank you for your insults, in truth it shows that you are no better than Max.

 

[tjizzle]

I don't think its torture .I'm a little disapointed that torture wasn't used .If it where me I'd cut off his toes put them in a blender and make him drink his toes .then ask him some questions .I don't care what cheney did to keep me safe .Look up beheading on google .And watch 10 minutes of the poor truck drivers crying for his life .the other 10 minutes its gurgling sounds comming out of his throat .yeh he kept on screeming even after they cut his voice box.Or do the peaple complaining about chenney only get their news from liberal outlets. I like this forum .But hey put down the joint.Higher values and ethics and morels are great free speach is great.But its no way to win a war.Is'nt it funny though that the goverment does the same crap on the war on drugs and your criminal liberal media says crap about it .Try to defend your country and not be a demacrat and your branded a war criminal.and all of you critics you sinycs follow like sheeple.where where you when the war on drugs was going on .

 

[GrowRebel]

No, I'm pretty sure I still have a valid point. If it is as torturous as you are claiming then how was one person able to resist saying what the people wanted to hear through 86 interrogative sessions?

Again you show your stupidity ... you have no valid point ... you only blow shit out your ass nothing more ... I've already posted in my thread reports from interrogators that stated the regime had him tortured that many times to back their lie that their made up "Al Qaeda" and Hussein were linked when we all know ... with the exception of the bushwhacked minded ... that's a lie ... you really need to read more ... you continue to make yourself look stupid.

Do you not imagine that if the military was looking for a confession with words that they wanted they would not just have some one lead the person on until they admitted to whatever the military wanted them to admit to?

and that is exactly what they did ... all the people that confessed to 911 were tortured.

Though thank you for your insults, in truth it shows that you are no better than Max.

It's an absolute pleasure insulting people like you that condone torture and war crimes ... making you look stupid in the eye of people who are enlighten enough to see the evil ... that really makes my day ... thank you for that.

I don't think its torture .

Again ... it doesn't matter that you don't think it's torture ... the law say it is ... what part of that don't you get?

I'm a little disapointed that torture wasn't used .

What a stupid statement.

If it where me I'd cut off his toes put them in a blender and make him drink his toes .then ask him some questions .

You are one sick puppy ... no wonder you like the war criminal cheney.

I don't care what cheney did to keep me safe .Look up beheading on google .

Bwaa ha ha ... you think cheney keeps you safe ... what a laugh ... where the fuck was he on 911? you obviously fell for the "their going to get you I'll protect you" bull shit ... another sucker born. PT would be proud. And our own dear government could be behind those beheading ... why is the guy wearing a US style orange jump prison suit?

Or do the peaple complaining about chenney only get their news from liberal outlets.

Well we all know you get your "news" from the non news outlet faux news ... it shows big time ... and there is no liberal media unless you are talking about the liberal bloggers ... and they have been correct in a lot of there reporting before and during the war.

I like this forum .But hey put down the joint.

How dare you ... either you pick the joint up or get the fuck out.

Higher values and ethics and morels are great free speach is great.But its no way to win a war.

Starting a war base on lies for political gain is no way to win one either.

Is'nt it funny though that the goverment does the same crap on the war on drugs and your criminal liberal media says crap about it .

I was a big activist against the war on drugs before these illegal wars, and war criminals took power ... those were the good ole days. And if the media were indeed liberal as you claim ...we would have never gone to war illegally ... it would have been expose as the liberal blogger did on line.

Try to defend your country and not be a demacrat and your branded a war criminal.

No ... perpetrate a false flag attack blame it on countries that had nothing to do with it then illegally invade them is a war crime ... it's has nothing to do with defending your country.

and all of you critics you sinycs follow like sheeple.where where you when the war on drugs was going on .

Fighting it ...where you ... besides kissing the war criminal cheney's ass?