Ron DeSantis isn't Donald Trump -- he's Donald Trump Jr.

HGCC

Well-Known Member
I hope so. I still think Tucker is going to go for it, possibly Sean Hannity if someone calls him. Desantis doesn't seem likable, he is kind of like Ted Cruz in that way. Increasingly I see that as a driver of who should be picked for presidential candidates. Your voting for a group/coalition anyway, in the behind the scenes decision making stuff that matters, the guy on stage is just there to be the face....and somehow forge a connection to voters.

I think of W. in that way, not my kind of guy, but widely reported as just a nice and fun person to be around. You saw that when he ran. Trump had that as well, though personally I didnt see it...many did. Obama and Clinton as well. They were all able to speak to an audience and make them feel something.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I hope so. I still think Tucker is going to go for it, possibly Sean Hannity if someone calls him. Desantis doesn't seem likable, he is kind of like Ted Cruz in that way. Increasingly I see that as a driver of who should be picked for presidential candidates. Your voting for a group/coalition anyway, in the behind the scenes decision making stuff that matters, the guy on stage is just there to be the face....and somehow forge a connection to voters.

I think of W. in that way, not my kind of guy, but widely reported as just a nice and fun person to be around. You saw that when he ran. Trump had that as well, though personally I didnt see it...many did. Obama and Clinton as well. They were all able to speak to an audience and make them feel something.
I am very hopeful that Trump broke the trend of that. I will take boring and competent everyday of the week.

We don't need another cult leader in the White House.
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
It's not really a cult leader thing, it's a getting elected thing though. It would be freaking rad to have some smart folks get up and duke it out with ideas and such, but that doesn't matter at all anymore. The reps aren't even showing up to debate.

The democrats have to figure out how to woo voters with something other than having the better platform, ideas, character, etc. *that's meant as a sad joke :)
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Looks like DeSantis is going full on troll by lying that Biden cutting funding to school (Biden is not). This is just another 'owning the libs' troll to get his hate mongering click bait in the news by attacking innocent kids.

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Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) vowed to continue his anti-transgender crusade on Wednesday even it it means taking away "lunch money from poor kids."

At a press conference about addiction on Wednesday, DeSantis began by saying doctors should be sued for providing gender affirming treatment to children.

"They wanna castrate these young boys - that's wrong," the governor said. "I think these doctors need to get sued for what's happening."

Later at the event, DeSantis complained about a USDA decision to add gender identity to its sexual discrimination policies. The USDA is responsible for administering the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), which provides funding for school lunches.

The Biden administration has not moved to take action against states based on the decision but DeSantis claimed that the president was "threatening to take away lunch money from poor kids as punishment from us protecting women’s sports."

“They’re so intent on destroying the competition of women’s athletics that they’re going to use school lunch money for poor kids as a cudgel to try to get us to submit to what they want," he added. "We’re not backing down one inch on this!”

In June, DeSantis signed a bill that prevents transgender girls from competing with other girls on public school teams.
 

hanimmal

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The GOP often describes itself as at war with “mainstream media.” Now it looks like some Republicans are going one step further and shutting out the full media from GOP events altogether. It’s yet another blow to the increasingly beleaguered notion that citizens across the political spectrum can occupy a shared reality.

For the first time in the seven-year history of the annual Sunshine Summit in Florida, the conference restricted media access to the event last weekend, according to Politico. It specifically blocked mainstream media outlets based on the rationale that they’re congenitally anti-conservative.


“We in the state of Florida are not going to allow legacy media outlets to be involved in our primaries,” DeSantis said in his opening remarks. “I’m not going to have a bunch of left-wing media people asking our candidates gotcha questions.”

The conference, previously recorded by C-SPAN, was one of natural interest to national media — it included debates and speeches from state Republican leaders, primary candidates and conservative pundits in a hugely influential battleground state. But according to The Washington Post, for at least some portions of the summit, only right-wing media outlets, such as The Floridian, were permitted to attend, and reporters from legacy media outlets were forced to try to obtain recordings from those allowed inside.

The Post described it as part of a broader pattern on the right, emulated by Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano, to lock media outlets out of rallies and meet demands from Republican political candidates in Pennsylvania and Missouri to include only conservative media or moderators at primary debates.

This all comes after the Republican National Committee voted to withdraw from the Commission on Presidential Debates, the bipartisan platform that has hosted the debates for decades, based on the unpersuasive claim that it exhibits anti-Republican bias.

What’s going on? There are a number of explanations for this tendency. Trump taught the Republican Party that rhetorical attacks on mainstream media tend to do well with the base — and DeSantis knew this when he made his announcement. Political polarization has achieved such extremes that politicians view media outlets of opposing ideological persuasions as purely propagandistic. And right-wing hyper-partisan media is actually finally robust enough, after decades of development, to be able to independently cover and convey news to a mass audience of conservative citizens without the involvement of mainstream media at all.

It’s an unhealthy trend because it makes it far harder for politicians to be held accountable by the media if they only choose to be around outlets that are sympathetic, or outright propagandistic on their behalf.

For example, if only conservative media outlets can closely observe and question Republican politicians during primary debates, there’s a lower chance that a reporter will identify an example of a politician flip-flopping on an issue later on during the general election season. There’s also a lower chance that an extremist statement will be documented and shared with the public, because ideologically sympathetic reporters want to shield the Republican Party. And uniformly right-wing media at a debate will incentivize some candidates to jockey extra aggressively for the most conservative positions because they know it could drive the headlines and more favorable coverage in hyper-ideological outlets. Allowing a wider range of media outlets that span the ideological spectrum can act as a bulwark against these dynamics.

Our media landscape is becoming more polarized in a manner that mirrors general political polarization across the country. But when politicians refuse to engage with media on the other side, it’s only going to make the problem worse.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
OK dumb question.

When a state legislates something that is probably in contravention of the Bill of Rights (ignoring the morass around 2A for now), what is the process of redress?

A second question occurs to me. I will ask it in a somewhat loaded form.

Once the rogue Court has given this shocking new law the nod,
… do we have any law that guides us?

I vaguely remember Congress having an option, but it would require a large supermajority. I see poor prospects there as well.

Man, it is tough watching the recognitions and protections that I took for granted as late as the Obama years actually suffer from authoritarian attack.

Not so long ago*, that went real bad real fast in a solidly democratic world power. Since it got a bit personal, I am a bit sensitive about hard-right sentiment succeeding in rolling back core civil liberties. The delayed consequences were awful the last time for everyone involved.

*I spoke to my dad this morning. He was a teen, but he was there on the periphery in Austria.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
OK dumb question.

When a state legislates something that is probably in contravention of the Bill of Rights (ignoring the morass around 2A for now), what is the process of redress?

A second question occurs to me. I will ask it in a somewhat loaded form.

Once the rogue Court has given this shocking new law the nod,
… do we have any law that guides us?

I vaguely remember Congress having an option, but it would require a large supermajority. I see poor prospects there as well.

Man, it is tough watching the recognitions and protections that I took for granted as late as the Obama years actually suffer from authoritarian attack.

Not so long ago*, that went real bad real fast in a solidly democratic world power. Since it got a bit personal, I am a bit sensitive about hard-right sentiment succeeding in rolling back core civil liberties. The delayed consequences were awful the last time for everyone involved.

*I spoke to my dad this morning. He was a teen, but he was there on the periphery in Austria.
One of the things from today's FBI hearing was a question that explained that the White House had discretion on what questions the FBI could ask about any investigation into Kavanaugh.

It really is disheartening that the decades long plan of the right wing fascists to win the SCOTUS had succeeded.
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
OK dumb question.

When a state legislates something that is probably in contravention of the Bill of Rights (ignoring the morass around 2A for now), what is the process of redress?

A second question occurs to me. I will ask it in a somewhat loaded form.

Once the rogue Court has given this shocking new law the nod,
… do we have any law that guides us?

I vaguely remember Congress having an option, but it would require a large supermajority. I see poor prospects there as well.

Man, it is tough watching the recognitions and protections that I took for granted as late as the Obama years actually suffer from authoritarian attack.

Not so long ago*, that went real bad real fast in a solidly democratic world power. Since it got a bit personal, I am a bit sensitive about hard-right sentiment succeeding in rolling back core civil liberties. The delayed consequences were awful the last time for everyone involved.

*I spoke to my dad this morning. He was a teen, but he was there on the periphery in Austria.
I believe it's just 2/3rds to override. I could see Mitchell McConnell give it a nod to try and get away from the issue as those Kansas results should sting.

Edit: nvm...I guess not per the Google. I guess it has to be some sort of roundabout way.
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
I see people drink those all the time and it makes me laugh, it's stuck in my head as some weird Harry Potter type drink that should probably have dry ice in it to make it smoke and bubble. I lose it when it's an old guy with a long beard having one.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
“We in the state of Florida are not going to allow legacy media outlets to be involved in our primaries,” DeSantis said in his opening remarks. “I’m not going to have a bunch of left-wing media people asking our candidates gotcha questions.”

so, your candidates are too fucking stupid to deal with difficult questions...and your response to that situation is to isolate them from anyone who asks difficult questions...?...¿...did i get that right?
if you weren't such a dangerous little mussolini clone, i would laugh myself sick, but you are dangerous, to democracy, to freedom, to humanity at large...and you don't need to be trying to control the free press like a fascist fuck face asshole, even though you are one.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
One of the things from today's FBI hearing was a question that explained that the White House had discretion on what questions the FBI could ask about any investigation into Kavanaugh.

It really is disheartening that the decades long plan of the right wing fascists to win the SCOTUS had succeeded.
Here is the questioning I mentioned.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
“We in the state of Florida are not going to allow legacy media outlets to be involved in our primaries,” DeSantis said in his opening remarks. “I’m not going to have a bunch of left-wing media people asking our candidates gotcha questions.”

so, your candidates are too fucking stupid to deal with difficult questions...and your response to that situation is to isolate them from anyone who asks difficult questions...?...¿...did i get that right?
if you weren't such a dangerous little mussolini clone, i would laugh myself sick, but you are dangerous, to democracy, to freedom, to humanity at large...and you don't need to be trying to control the free press like a fascist fuck face asshole, even though you are one.
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ActionianJacksonian

Well-Known Member
Looks like DeSantis is going full on troll by lying that Biden cutting funding to school (Biden is not). This is just another 'owning the libs' troll to get his hate mongering click bait in the news by attacking innocent kids.

https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-lunch-money-for-poor-kids/View attachment 5174470

Here's the complaint filed with all policy changes, including the withholding of lunch money for failure to comply. Case # and everything all documented including EO# and policy #'s for you to verify.

So you're spreading misinformation in the name of partisanship, literally.

I know you won't read it but perhaps others will choose not to be as ill-informed as yourself.

The suit is the states vs. USDA which is who administers the SNAP program for school lunches.

On a Biden executive order they absolutely threatened to withhold funding for school lunch programs for failure to allow boys to beat girls at sports.
 

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