Inflation

Is Inflation Biden's fault?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 41.7%
  • No

    Votes: 28 58.3%

  • Total voters
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jsatch

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Wish you guys made same amount of excuses for Trump as you do for Biden. With Trump it's all his fault, but with Biden you guys pull out NASA level algorithms type shit to excuse anything and everything.

Pathetic
 

ActionianJacksonian

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White House scrambles on inflation after Biden complains to aides (msn.com)

What causes inflation?

Supply & demand?

Or something else that pretty much was as simple/complicated as a thought that John Locke had in 1691, that the value of goods should actually be based on demand.

Energy Stocks Continue to Rally As Oil Prices Approach 2008 Record (businessinsider.com)

I say it is mainly caused by one of mans major faults

GREED!!!!

Good old Capitalism has unleashed it's dark/ugly/fucked-up side.

If they're desperate, charge them more

When you got them by the balls/squeeze harder.

That's the Dark side of Capitalism

No room for humane thinking.

That's for losers

MONEY/PROFIT IS GOD!!!!

Anyway, if any of you people out there that are not living in the US could tell me/us what inflation is like where you are it would be educational (@Lucky Luke ?)

Why do I think that it's as bad as it is here in the US?

Fucking Biden has fucked up the entire Planet if that's the case.

I mean that's a logical assumption right?

At least It seems most Americans think it is.

Dumb fucks
Inflation is simply an increase in the supply of currency.

When you borrow from a bank, new currency is created in the amount of the loan. This inflation is usually not noticeable because the borrower is usually productive in investing or repayment.

Default or just failure to be productive economically with the loan en masse leads to noticeable price increases as the loan created no new goods or services but merely procured some existing.
 

Jimdamick

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Your hatred for one human being is irrational
You lit the fuse by calling me an imbecile
Think twice next time before you insult someone that you don't even know.
I'm going to make your time here in Politics fucking miserable
Count on it
 

jsatch

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You lit the fuse by calling me an imbecile
Think twice next time before you insult someone that you don't even know.
I'm going to make your time here in Politics fucking miserable
Count on it
Lmao, at this point you're the entire reason I'm here.


Unhinged
 

hanimmal

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I know I always believe foreign trolls that shit all over America any chance they get for their take on the American political situation.

Trump screwed the middle class (actually led the economy into losing jobs over his entire term in office), flooded money into the pockets of the wealthiest, sold out our nation for his foreign dictator pals, ignited violent protests for almost the entirety of 2020 that culminated in his attempted insurrection that would have destroyed our democracy.

But yeah, 'both sides'....
 

CunningCanuk

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I know I always believe foreign trolls that shit all over America any chance they get for their take on the American political situation.

Trump screwed the middle class (actually led the economy into losing jobs over his entire term in office), flooded money into the pockets of the wealthiest, sold out our nation for his foreign dictator pals, ignited violent protests for almost the entirety of 2020 that culminated in his attempted insurrection that would have destroyed our democracy.

But yeah, 'both sides'....
trump and Biden are two peas in a pod.


 

ActionianJacksonian

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lmao coming from the sock puppet account that has up to your incorrect statement about banks in another political thread (banks don't create new currency, that is only done by the treasury)
I'm not in disagreement here I'm just going to say this is just factually incorrect. It's not really debatable because anyone can look it up right now, even those from other countries that might not fully grasp what's going on here that might be affecting them financially.

Here's a link:

Title 31 is called Money and Finance. Section 5111 says the secretary of Treasury shall mint and issue coins. Coins are currency so you are correct here.

Section 5115 says the secretary may issue United States Notes, which are paper currency and could serve digitally and Yada Yada. We do not use these notes as our currency, like these notes are not currently the world reserve currency because they:

-may not be held or used for a reserve

-are payable to the bearer

-may not be used to service interest on the national debt

The world reserve currency we use is from Title 12 Banks and Banking and the issuing authority is not the Treasury.

I'm not sure why you brought this up in an unrelated thread but I thought I would bring it here if you don't mind as it seems pretty relevant to the OP and all the bullshit going on lately.
 

hanimmal

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I'm not in disagreement here I'm just going to say this is just factually incorrect. It's not really debatable because anyone can look it up right now, even those from other countries that might not fully grasp what's going on here that might be affecting them financially.

Here's a link:

Title 31 is called Money and Finance. Section 5111 says the secretary of Treasury shall mint and issue coins. Coins are currency so you are correct here.

Section 5115 says the secretary may issue United States Notes, which are paper currency and could serve digitally and Yada Yada. We do not use these notes as our currency, like these notes are not currently the world reserve currency because they:

-may not be held or used for a reserve

-are payable to the bearer

-may not be used to service interest on the national debt

The world reserve currency we use is from Title 12 Banks and Banking and the issuing authority is not the Treasury.

I'm not sure why you brought this up in an unrelated thread but I thought I would bring it here if you don't mind as it seems pretty relevant to the OP and all the bullshit going on lately.
Because banks does not 'create currency' when they make a loan. I was going to bring it up here, but I got board and figured it was nit picky. I brought it up in the other thread your above post was the only other post you made on this website that was not in that gun thread.

There are a megaton of conspiracy theories around banks (because they are easy targets and very complex, and very helpful to our economy (which is why the people who are trying to harm our society make them a target)), so it just struck me as odd that it would be the only other comment you made (that was not in that gun thread of course).
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Because banks does not 'create currency' when they make a loan. I was going to bring it up here, but I got board and figured it was nit picky. I brought it up in the other thread your above post was the only other post you made on this website that was not in that gun thread.

There are a megaton of conspiracy theories around banks (because they are easy targets and very complex, and very helpful to our economy (which is why the people who are trying to harm our society make them a target)), so it just struck me as odd that it would be the only other comment you made (that was not in that gun thread of course).
So, have you ever read Title 12 or anything from the link I gave you?

Title 26 is the tax code, Title 52 voting and elections ect. ect.

So it's not like a conspiracy because we all participate and it's all public record and I don't find it particularly complex.

Title 12 establishes an elastic currency and as I said above, you and I are the ones that create new currency when we borrow Title 12 elastic currency. This way the economy can expand as needed along with the currency because you and I are productive and pay back our loans.

That's mostly how it works and it basically sorta kinda works well because you and I create new capital because when we repay we did so with our labor or other such wise investments that amount to new productivity.

The problems of price increases from inflation really manifest from malinvestment or default because the new currency was created and not repayed.

The largest scale example of this is when government borrows currency. This currency we use is what's called "Bills of Credit" in our Constitution.

So, notice I didn't say the democrats/progressives or the republicans/conservatives or whatever but just government. Specifically Congress who you and I are responsible for as well.

So we vote them in and being the ever creative creatures we are, we have found a workaround for the "bills of credit" part. So what we do is emit bonds of credit, and deposit them as collateral and have the bank emit the dollar bills of credit we use as currency.

Quite clever huh?
 
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hanimmal

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Banks can only lend up to the total amount of deposits that we (the people who deposit their money into the bank) have placed in them minus the amount of reserves that they are forced to hold (10%).

So they can lend as much as 90% of the money they hold. That is not 'creating new currency', it is lending out the 'currency' that they hold.

What I think you might mean though is when a bank sells or buys already existing treasuries to the Fed. But even then the bond/bill/note/etc has already been issued by the treasury, which means at some point American dollars were used to purchase it, which took money out of our system. So even then the Treasury is still the one that 'created' them.
So, have you ever read Title 12 or anything from the link I gave you?
Sure did, I also studied the banking industry too. And the money system works like I described above. Banks don't create currency.


So, have you ever read Title 12 or anything from the link I gave you?

Title 26 is the tax code, Title 52 voting and elections ect. ect.

So it's not like a conspiracy because we all participate and it's all public record and I don't find it particularly complex.
That's nice. I think you might want to reread what I wrote without the preconceived notions you seem to have on what I said in whatever other post that was I brought up the conspiracy theories surrounding the banking system here in America.


Title 12 establishes an elastic currency and as I said above, you and I are the ones that create new currency when we borrow Title 12 elastic currency. This way the economy can expand as needed along with the currency because you and I are productive and pay back our loans.

That's mostly how it works and it basically sorta kinda works well because you and I create new capital because when we repay we did so with our labor or other such wise investments that amount to new productivity.
I think you might want to reread what elastic currency is. From the one line, it is a way for the Federal Reserve to sell a preexisting bond, which again was printed by the Treasury.

I am not sure what it is that you are trying to get at here though, I am not sure if we will get there if you think that anyone but the Treasury can create new currency in our monetary system.

The problems of price increases from inflation really manifest from malinvestment or default because the new currency was created and not repayed.

The largest scale example of this is when government borrows currency. This currency we use is what's called "Bills of Credit" in our Constitution.
Am I reading this right, are you saying that inflation is caused by people defaulting on loans? Because there is many reasons for inflation.

I think you are getting into the weeds a bit here man.

So, notice I didn't say the democrats/progressives or the republicans/conservatives or whatever but just government. Specifically Congress who you and I are responsible for as well.

So we vote them in and being the ever creative creatures we are, we have found a workaround for the "bills of credit" part. So what we do is emit bonds of credit, and deposit them as collateral and have the bank emit the dollar bills of credit we use as currency.

Quite clever huh?
All of which was originally produced by the Treasury and not banks.
 

HGCC

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Banks aren't really one particular thing, and there are different sort of levels regarding where they sit on the food chain.

...and I'm just gonna leave it whimsical like that, as I don't feel like rambling and it's kind of hard to follow along with the argument presented.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Banks aren't really one particular thing, and there are different sort of levels regarding where they sit on the food chain.

...and I'm just gonna leave it whimsical like that, as I don't feel like rambling and it's kind of hard to follow along with the argument presented.
So true. There are banks and agents.

Copypaste:
"reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized."

So I have some in my wallet, therefore I am a bank or an agent. The reason I am cool with this and bound by this whole Title is that I bond my deposits via endorsement. That is, I am bonding the reserve lending.



The whole section is just one paragraph but when compared to the issuing authority of the other notes in Title 31 issued by the Treasury the differences become very apparent.
 

hanimmal

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So true. There are banks and agents.

Copypaste:
"reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized."

So I have some in my wallet, therefore I am a bank or an agent. The reason I am cool with this and bound by this whole Title is that I bond my deposits via endorsement. That is, I am bonding the reserve lending.



The whole section is just one paragraph but when compared to the issuing authority of the other notes in Title 31 issued by the Treasury the differences become very apparent.
Should keep reading it.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section16.htm

2. Application for notes by Federal Reserve banks
Any Federal Reserve bank may make application to the local Federal Reserve agent for such amount of the Federal Reserve notes hereinbefore provided for as it may require. Such application shall be accompanied with a tender to the local Federal Reserve agent of collateral in amount equal to the sum of the Federal Reserve notes thus applied for and issued pursuant to such application. The collateral security thus offered shall be notes, drafts, bills of exchange, or acceptances acquired under section 10A, 10B, 13, or 13A of this Act, or bills of exchange endorsed by a member bank of any Federal Reserve district and purchased under the provisions of section 14 of this Act, or bankers' acceptances purchased under the provisions of said section 14, or gold certificates, or Special Drawing Right certificates, or any obligations which are direct obligations of, or are fully guaranteed as to principal and interest by, the United States or any agency thereof, or assets that Federal Reserve banks may purchase or hold under section 14 of this Act or any other asset of a Federal reserve bank. In no event shall such collateral security be less than the amount of Federal Reserve notes applied for. The Federal Reserve agent shall each day notify the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System of all issues and withdrawals of Federal Reserve notes to and by the Federal Reserve bank to which he is accredited. The said Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System may at any time call upon a Federal Reserve bank for additional security to protect the Federal Reserve notes issued to it. Collateral shall not be required for Federal Reserve notes which are held in the vaults of, or are otherwise held by or on behalf of, Federal Reserve banks.

[12 USC 412. As amended by the acts of Sept. 7, 1916 (39 Stat. 754); June 21, 1917 (40 Stat. 236); Feb. 27, 1932 (47 Stat. 57); Feb. 3, 1933 (47 Stat. 794); Jan. 30, 1934 (48 Stat. 338); March 6, 1934 (48 Stat. 991); June 30, 1941 (55 Stat. 395); May 25, 1943 (57 Stat. 85); June 12, 1945 (59 Stat. 237); June 19, 1968 (82 Stat. 189); Nov. 10, 1978 (92 Stat. 3672); March 31, 1980 (94 Stat. 140); Dec. 6, 1999 (113 Stat. 1638); and Oct. 28, 2003 (117 Stat. 1193).]
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Banks can only lend up to the total amount of deposits that we (the people who deposit their money into the bank) have placed in them minus the amount of reserves that they are forced to hold (10%).

So they can lend as much as 90% of the money they hold. That is not 'creating new currency', it is lending out the 'currency' that they hold.

What I think you might mean though is when a bank sells or buys already existing treasuries to the Fed. But even then the bond/bill/note/etc has already been issued by the treasury, which means at some point American dollars were used to purchase it, which took money out of our system. So even then the Treasury is still the one that 'created' them.
So that's the way the Fed and Congress sells it in their cartoons (ever seen that one?) But the reality is that a new deposit of $100 is held as 10% reserve and $900 is therefore available to lend, thus creating new, healthy productive currency in the form of digital credits.

We all know this is true without even studying the matter because none of us have ever been denied a loan for lack of deposits.

"Well your credit score is 1000 and you make $10k per week but we can't swing a $100k loan right now solely because 90% of our deposits are already out on loan."

In the old days a bank would write a physical check instead of a digital one and the vault teller would order physical currency to cover a small percent of cash outs. So these orders are advancements. Now it's all digital and you don't endorse checks, you endorse your signature card which covers all direct deposits. But it's all the same really.

Sure did, I also studied the banking industry too. And the money system works like I described above. Banks don't create currency.
Right so I never said they did. I said you and I do when we take out the loans and the bank merely facilitates the loan. Congress is theoretically acting on mine and your behalf in the same manner and Treasury simply prints the notes with the proper seals, ink ect.

So I essentially said what Title 12 states about the world reserve currency: that the issuing authority is the Board of Governors.

So for example, since the Fed is the issuing authority this is why we didn't just hear that Treasury just raised the interest rates.

In fact, Treasury currency in Title 31 may not bear interest.

This is also why we don't hear that the Treasury has executed such other elastic tools as Quantitative Easing, because Treasury is not the issuing authority. It's pretty simple stuff.


That's nice. I think you might want to reread what I wrote without the preconceived notions you seem to have on what I said in whatever other post that was I brought up the conspiracy theories surrounding the banking system here in America.



I think you might want to reread what elastic currency is. From the one line, it is a way for the Federal Reserve to sell a preexisting bond, which again was printed by the Treasury.

I am not sure what it is that you are trying to get at here though, I am not sure if we will get there if you think that anyone but the Treasury can create new currency in our monetary system.
So, according to the Encyclopedia of Banking and Finance 9th edition...elastic currency is simply what we know ours to be:

"Currency which can be expanded or contracted based on commercial needs."

Elasticity is secured by basing the volume of circulating currency on the volume of credit. Currently, the currency is a bill for a Dollar in the form of an elastic bank note. A Bill of Credit. The issuing authority is the Board of Governors. This note has 900% Elasticity as I described because it is what is held as a 10% reserve.

So the currency expands as business expands in just the way I described, in the form of loans.

No business is shipping goods with capital for example. The truck driver uses a loan in the form of a company credit card for fuel right?

So then, simply trying to kind of lump what I'm telling you into the "conspiracy theory" relm is easily demonstrably false because literally anyone on earth has access to our Statutes at Large codified online in a searchable US Code and its all current right there at your fingertips. So like you can verify when I say what Fed and Treasury has authority to issue easily in sections that are only a paragraph. Like I can't grasp how that could possibly be a conspiracy theory when is so easily fact checked in like 90 seconds.

It's not like back in the day when we had to physically visit a Federal Repository and read print. Although most of that is also scanned in as pdf.

Am I reading this right, are you saying that inflation is caused by people defaulting on loans? Because there is many reasons for inflation.

I think you are getting into the weeds a bit here man.
Ok so no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying inflation is simply an increase in the total supply of currency for whatever reason.

I think you are confusing inflation with price increases that can come with inflation especially if wages and salaries don't increase proportionately.

Other supply/demand issues that are not inflation can affect prices also like gasoline. Refineries are over 90% capacity and demand is exceeding domestic supply. The price increases here really hasn't much to do with inflation so much as regs on new refineries and lack of domestic crude supply going to refineries already at near capacity. Like ordering a refinery to make more when they're already at peak capacity isn't really going to help as much as say, allowing more refineries.

But who would invest in one? It takes like 10 years to see a return and the stated goal is to do away with petroleum fuels in 5-10 years so there's market speculation also contributing to price increases which has nothing to do with inflation.


All of which was originally produced by the Treasury and not banks.
So printing and engraving is Treasury. So you're technically correct that they produce physical currency. But the issuing authority is not Treasury for world reserve currency bills.

To see the currency that Treasury actually has authority to issue you need to look in Title 31, sections 5111 and 5115.

The notes in 5115 for example are not elastic, and currently are fixed in the amount of 300 million.
 
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