the most important concept to understand when usuing any fertilizer product

[PJ Diaz]

calcium nitrate is sold separately because that's how you make more money from people that don't understand chemistry. it also contains urea which is a cheap form of nitrogen. and if you are growing "organically" then you will not use synthetic fertilizer or else it wont be "organic".

Funny, because the fact that it's sold separately saves me money, since it's a generic fert sold by hundreds of ag companies.

Ammonium nitrate is a commonly used source of nitrogen but it interferes with calcium uptake and causes calcium deficiency disorders in plants. The solution is to apply calcium nitrate instead to any crop that has a tendency to develop calcium deficiency disorders.

 

[rkymtnman]

Ammonium nitrate is a commonly used source of nitrogen

about a month ago or so i lurnt that farmers inject anhyrous ammonia about a foot or so underground. that stuff has to be the cheapest form of nitrogen i'd guess?

 

[coco87769]

thats is incomplete fertilizer it should contain ammonium nitrate potassium nitrate and calcium nitrate instead of magnesium sulfate which binds with calcium nitrate there should be magnesium nitrate.... and look at this 3 different forms of iron? lmao

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[hotrodharley]

microbes don't grow plants they break down the biological material in the soil Plant-associated rhizosphere bacteria also have an important role in establishing and improving plant growth on different soil types, since they affect the availability of essential elements and provide plants with extra N.

Mycorrhizae are defined as a symbiotic relationship between fungus and plant (Sylvia et al., 2005 ). Among soil microorganisms, arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi (AMFs) are ubiquitous, facilitating plants with more intimate access to water and nutrients and thus improving plant growth, especially under stress conditions.

 

[hotrodharley]

The main benefit mycorrhizal fungi provide is access to large amount of water and nutrients (particularly nitrogen, phosphorus, zinc, manganese and copper). This is because the hyphae increase the root surface area of absorption from soil.

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/mycorrhizal-fungi.html

 

[hotrodharley]

Yeah they do grow plants. More than cannabis too.

 

[PJ Diaz]

thats is incomplete fertilizer it should contain ammonium nitrate potassium nitrate and calcium nitrate instead of magnesium sulfate which binds with calcium nitrate there should be magnesium nitrate.... and look at this 3 different forms of iron? lmao

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That is only one part of a multi-part feed. By definition it's going to be incomplete when you are only considering "part A". How would you go about adding the Sulphur if you are eliminating magnesium sulfate?

Your concern in the original post, is a non issue, so long as you mix your nutes in the correct order.

 

[coco87769]

if you have a formulation that is not balanced then to much of one thing can interfere with the other elements balance is the key. not sell things separately just to add them after? that's how company's make money selling cheap incomplete fertilizer...nothing funny about it you kids like to spend your money thats all

Funny, because the fact that it's sold separately saves me money, since it's a generic fert sold by hundreds of ag companies.

Ammonium nitrate is a commonly used source of nitrogen but it interferes with calcium uptake and causes calcium deficiency disorders in plants. The solution is to apply calcium nitrate instead to any crop that has a tendency to develop calcium deficiency disorders.

 

[PJ Diaz]

and look at this 3 different forms of iron? lmao

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I know, those jerks! I hate how they concern themselves proper ph chelating.

 

[PJ Diaz]

if you have a formulation that is not balanced then to much of one thing can interfere with the other elements balance is the key. not sell things separately just to add them after? that's how company's make money selling cheap incomplete fertilizer...nothing funny about it you kids like to spend your money thats all

Jacks 321 is a complete formulation, but of course only part A will be incomplete. You honestly have no idea what you're talking about, and are out of your league trying to explain something which you barely understand. If you prefer ammonium nitrate, there are plenty of 1-parts out there with it. You will end up paying more than you would with Jacks 321 however, kid.

 

[zzyx]

Jack’s comes in a 1 part as well!

 

[coco87769]

That is only one part of a multi-part feed. By definition it's going to be incomplete when you are only considering "part A". How would you go about adding the Sulphur if you are eliminating magnesium sulfate?

Your concern in the original post, is a non issue, so long as you mix your nutes in the correct order.

magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt} and calcium nitrate form gypsum...calcium nitrate is a macro nutrient part A. magnesium nitrate a micro nutrient that is in part b of cogos the sulfur comes from copper sulfate zinc sulfate and manganese sulfate.. you are correct in saying that if you mix correctly there isnt a issue "if" you have a complete formulation which jacks is not

 

[coco87769]

bill argo is veryg

I know, those jerks! I hate how they concern themselves proper ph chelating.

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bill argo from blackmore is good Larry Metcaf is better

 

[waterproof808]

calcium nitrate is sold separately because that's how you make more money from people that don't understand chemistry. it also contains urea which is a cheap form of nitrogen. and if you are growing "organically" then you will not use synthetic fertilizer or else it wont be "organic".

Calnit is sold separately because interacts and precipitates with other nutrients, especially P and S.

 

[PJ Diaz]

magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt} and calcium nitrate form gypsum...calcium nitrate is a macro nutrient part A. magnesium nitrate a micro nutrient that is in part b of cogos the sulfur comes from copper sulfate zinc sulfate and manganese sulfate.. you are correct in saying that if you mix correctly there isnt a issue "if" you have a complete formulation which jacks is not

Jacks 321 is complete, however "part A" on it's own is not. Magnesium Sulfate and Calcium Nitrate will only react when mixed in a concentrated form, which is why you need multiple injectors when you run such a formula in concentration. When you follow the basic instructions for mixing, your concern becomes a non-issue.

 

[coco87769]

Calnit is sold separately because interacts and precipitates with other nutrients, especially P and S.

calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate form gypsum whether both of them are in the fertilizer directly or mixed in one at a time. anytime a formula is not balanced properly it will form participates. so jacks has magnesium sulfate and then you buy another bag or bottle of liquid and add it...the results will be the same

 

[PJ Diaz]

calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate form gypsum whether both of them are in the fertilizer directly or mixed in one at a time. anytime a formula is not balanced properly it will form participates. so jacks has magnesium sulfate and then you buy another bag or bottle of liquid and add it...the results will be the same

That's only true when mixed in concentrations, not true when mixed at feed strength. So long as you mix and dilute your CalNit and MagSul separately to dilution before you mix them together it's a non-issue, or so long as you have separate Dosatrons or injectors.

 

[coco87769]

we don't use multiple injectors with cogos we don't have to its a complete formula without Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate)so we never worry about participates and or gypsum. jacks is not complete if A on its own isn't... multiple injectors are needed when you are using a inefficient system and formulation that forces you to buy extra products for it to work...thats how a company makes a lot of money from people that don't understand chemistry jacks is a new name for old peters fertilizer. which was good for soil but that's it. why do you think they changed their name?

Jacks 321 is complete, however "part A" on it's own is not. Magnesium Sulfate and Calcium Nitrate will only react when mixed in a concentrated form, which is why you need multiple injectors when you run such a formula in concentration. When you follow the basic instructions for mixing, your concern becomes a non-issue.

 

[PJ Diaz]

we don't use multiple injectors with cogos we don't have to its a complete formula without Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate)so we never worry about participates and or gypsum. jacks is not complete if A on its own isn't... multiple injectors are needed when you are using a inefficient system and formulation that forces you to buy extra products for it to work...thats how a company makes a lot of money from people that don't understand chemistry jacks is a new name for old peters fertilizer. which was good for soil but that's it. why do you think they changed their name?

I notice that you selectively avoided this previous statement which I pointed out:
Ammonium nitrate is a commonly used source of nitrogen but it interferes with calcium uptake and causes calcium deficiency disorders in plants. The solution is to apply calcium nitrate instead to any crop that has a tendency to develop calcium deficiency disorders.

Also, if a 1-part is your thing, Jacks makes 1-parts too, and they cost half as much as the Cogos you are shilling for.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Cogos @ $125 for 25lbs:



Jack's 1-part @ $65 for 25lbs: