Police Interactions.

[Rob Roy]

 

[hanimmal]

Kid just learned how to drive turning around in their neighborhood shot and killed by police.

No lights/sirens? I could easily see how when they finally finished backing up they saw guns pointed at them and freaked out and then were murdered for no reason.

 

[gonnagro]

Kid just learned how to drive turning around in their neighborhood shot and killed by police.

No lights/sirens? I could easily see how when they finally finished backing up they saw guns pointed at them and freaked out and then were murdered for no reason.

These officers will probably be found guilty of not following procedure at most. The fact they gave them several opportunities to stop and exit the vehicle will let them walk in the end as I believe fleeing vehicle justifies deadly use of force legally. My condolences to the families.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

These officers will probably be found guilty of not following procedure at most. The fact they gave them several opportunities to stop and exit the vehicle will let them walk in the end as I believe fleeing vehicle justifies deadly use of force legally. My condolences to the families.

So you are ok with it, thoughts and prayers.

 

[hanimmal]

These officers will probably be found guilty of not following procedure at most. The fact they gave them several opportunities to stop and exit the vehicle will let them walk in the end as I believe fleeing vehicle justifies deadly use of force legally. My condolences to the families.

Their lights were not on, could you not imagine a situation where you were turning around, music on in the car talking with a friend after just learning how to drive, complete the turn (car still in drive) and all of a sudden you see gun pointed at you and you panic?

I got into a accident around the same time (backing up across double yellow lines on a slow road that just happened at the same time someone else was backing up as I was putting the car into drive and they backed into my car) and I hit the gas instead of brake.

What makes you think that they were fleeing the police? At what point would you be confident that they knew police were even there? Are you confident that if you had windows up/air going and radio on you would have heard that cop with no sirens/amplification of their voice while turning around like that?

 

[Dryxi]

Police need a way to be charged for costing taxpayers money for their mistakes. Qualified immunity and taxpayers picking up the tab is not a very good way to discourage bad decisions. Make cops take out job insurance on themselves, open the door to citizens suing cops for misconduct and let insurance lawyers debate their actions. Messy at the beginning when lawsuits happen across the nation as people try to take advantage of the position the cops are placed in with insurance but it would even out overtime, with potentially less bad actors watching us.

 

[Fogdog]

Police need a way to be charged for costing taxpayers money for their mistakes. Qualified immunity and taxpayers picking up the tab is not a very good way to discourage bad decisions. Make cops take out job insurance on themselves, open the door to citizens suing cops for misconduct and let insurance lawyers debate their actions. Messy at the beginning when lawsuits happen across the nation as people try to take advantage of the position the cops are placed in with insurance but it would even out overtime, with potentially less bad actors watching us.

The concept is -- reduce the protection from the consequences of murderous and illegal actions that police enjoy while they are on the job. Making them financially liable is not a bad idea. I'm more inclined to take away special protections so that they are constrained by the same laws as everybody else. This opens them up to prosecutions as well as civil lawsuits.

 

[Fogdog]

Their lights were not on, could you not imagine a situation where you were turning around, music on in the car talking with a friend after just learning how to drive, complete the turn (car still in drive) and all of a sudden you see gun pointed at you and you panic?

I got into a accident around the same time (backing up across double yellow lines on a slow road that just happened at the same time someone else was backing up as I was putting the car into drive and they backed into my car) and I hit the gas instead of brake.

What makes you think that they were fleeing the police? At what point would you be confident that they knew police were even there? Are you confident that if you had windows up/air going and radio on you would have heard that cop with no sirens/amplification of their voice while turning around like that?

That's the same guy who saw no problem with Floyd's murder. I don't think he believes what he's saying. He's just gaslighting.

 

[gonnagro]

What makes you think that they were fleeing the police? At what point would you be confident that they knew police were even there? Are you confident that if you had windows up/air going and radio on you would have heard that cop with no sirens/amplification of their voice while turning around like that?

I don't think they were fleeing, but the police will spin it that way and a jury, (if it even gets that far), will believe it. The system is so slanted toward them. At some point I'm sure the words "I feared for my life" will come up.

 

[hanimmal]

I don't think they were fleeing, but the police will spin it that way and a jury, (if it even gets that far), will believe it. The system is so slanted toward them. At some point I'm sure the words "I feared for my life" will come up.

I agree with what you say here, unfortunately that does seem very likely.

This is another horrifying example of the injustice our society causes for people DWB.

 

[hanimmal]

Something I strongly feel is that the police should not be allowed to train their dogs to attack people. I don't care how well someone thinks they have trained their dog, in a real world situation those dogs are just random weapons to unleash on our society and they do not have any control over them once that dog picks up on all the random nervousness of the people around them.

I don't care how much these handlers love their dogs, they are ultimately abusing them by turning them into weapons.

 

[hanimmal]

 

[injinji]

 

[Dryxi]

Couple 'defunding' at the state level with Congress addressing the scope of Qualified Immunity for police and maybe we see the force get better. Hard to fix bad conduct when it can be shielded and unless it goes viral, it didn't happen.

 

[hanimmal]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/07/rebekah-jones-covid-19-dashboard-florida-desantis/

Florida police officers with guns drawn raided the home of an ousted health department data scientist Monday morning, searching for the former agency employee’s most powerful tools: her computer, her phone and other hardware that supports the coronavirus website she set up after accusing the state of manipulating its official numbers.

Law enforcement officials allege the scientist, Rebekah Jones, may have also used the devices to hack into a health department website in November and to send an unauthorized message to Florida emergency personnel, urging them to speak out against the state’s pandemic response. She has denied the accusation.

This is the latest clash between Jones and state officials, who have traded accusations since she was fired from the Florida Department of Health this summer. Jones said she had refused to comply with agency requests she considered unethical, and she has accused the state of mismanaging a health crisis that has so far infected more than a million residents and killed nearly 20,000.

After her dismissal, Jones launched her own data portal, advertising it as the transparent and independent alternative to the state dashboard. Now, Jones says, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s raid is an attempt to silence her work.

The armed officers, acting on a search warrant, knocked on the door of Jones’s house in Tallahassee around 8:30 a.m. Monday. A state police spokesperson said the officers announced their arrival, informed Jones they had a search warrant and tried calling her during the 20 minutes before she let them in.

Florida fired its coronavirus data scientist. Now she’s publishing the statistics on her own.

A 30-second video that Jones posted to Twitter captures the tense moments after she opened her door.

Jones has her hands up as one officer orders her to walk outside. She says her husband and kids are still inside. The officer then draws his handgun, walks to the base of a staircase and shouts, “Mr. Jones, come down the stairs — now.” Five seconds later, more officers enter, also brandishing their weapons, and one announces, “Police. Come down now.”

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At 8:30 am this morning, state police came into my house and took all my hardware and tech.

They were serving a warrant on my computer after DOH filed a complaint.

They pointed a gun in my face. They pointed guns at my kids.. pic.twitter.com/DE2QfOmtPU
— Rebekah Jones (@GeoRebekah) December 7, 2020

From outside, Jones can be heard yelling, “Do not point that gun at my children” and “He just pointed a gun at my children.”

In tweets hours later, Jones said the officers also pointed their weapons at her and seized her “hardware and tech,” including her phone and computer. She said her devices contained “evidence of corruption at the state level.”

Jones is an outspoken critic of Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), and she has alleged her ex-managers directed her to doctor virus case data to downplay risks of infection and death in the state. The health department has denied this.

“This is what happens to scientists who do their job honestly,” Jones wrote. “This is what happens to people who speak truth to power.”
According to an affidavit filed by state police special agent Noel Pratts, authorities traced last month’s breach of a health department Web platform to Jones, the agency’s former geographic information systems manager.

Florida Gov. DeSantis’s new data analyst: an anti-mask sports blogger with no credentials

Officials use the platform, ReadyOp, to coordinate emergency response across state agencies. On Nov. 10, members of a group specializing in public health emergencies received a message that read, according to the affidavit, “It’s time to speak up before another 17,000 people are dead. You know this is wrong. You don’t have to be a part of this. Be a hero. Speak out before it’s too late.”

At the time, officials told the Tampa Bay Times they didn’t know who was behind the missive or whether that person was a state employee. Spokesman Jason Mahon called the unsanctioned use “both irresponsible and unlawful.”

Jones did not respond to an interview request, and spokespeople for the health department and DeSantis directed questions about her allegations to the state police.

In a Monday evening interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo, Jones repeatedly denied sending the message, saying, “I’m not a hacker.” She warned current health department staffers who she has communicated with since her firing that “DeSantis will know soon enough that you’ve been talking to me, so be careful.” The raid, she said, was not a legitimate investigation but a “thinly veiled attempt by the governor to intimidate scientists.”

Jones’s attorney, Lawrence G. Walters, criticized the police officers’ “unnecessarily reckless and aggressive behavior in the execution of a search warrant for computers.”

“Our client was fully cooperative yet had guns pointed at her and her family,” Walters said, adding that he’s concerned the incident may also be in retaliation to a whistleblower complaint Jones filed against the health department in July.

On Twitter, Jones said she would not be cowed by what she characterized as a state-sanctioned intimidation campaign.

“If Desantis thought pointing a gun in my face was a good way to get me to shut up, he’s about to learn just how wrong he was,” she wrote. “I’ll have a new computer tomorrow. And then I’m going to get back to work.”

 

[TacoMac]

Not blaming the officers on that one.

Why did she hang up on them and refuse to open the door for 30 minutes?

Normally, when that happens, whoever is holing up is preparing for a last stand.

The officers acted accordingly.

 

[hanimmal]

Not blaming the officers on that one.

Why did she hang up on them and refuse to open the door for 30 minutes?

Normally, when that happens, whoever is holing up is preparing for a last stand.

The officers acted accordingly.

I didn't read about her hanging up on them, just that they were calling or 20 minutes until she let them take her into custody.

If she shuts off her phone at night and like me doesn't have a landline I could understand not hearing the call. And at 8:10 in the morning, I could understand needing to get dressed and calling a lawyer taking that long.

But as much as I hate guns being pointed at citizens necessarily I do understand what you are saying, and from their point of view evidence could be getting destroyed. But it is still pretty shitty and had to have terrorized those kids, something that will likely impact them for life.

And all (seemingly, there is a chance she is some kind of long term data analysis spy, but seriously doesn't seem likely. My money is on Cultist governor doing Trump's bidding) because DeSantis was cooking the Covid books for Dear Leader and she blew the whistle, and he didn't like it.

 

[TacoMac]

She set it up to get a reaction. That's exactly how people get shot.

I'd cite her for obstruction and reckless endangerment.

 

[hanimmal]

She set it up to get a reaction. That's exactly how people get shot.

I'd cite her for obstruction and reckless endangerment.

Im pretty naive about the laws, but that does seem reasonable to charge her with those if she did take that time to set up the camera for this to become a defense. I don't think it warrants being shot though.

I still think that DeSantis manipulating data for Trump is the bigger crime, and going after a whistle blower like he did adds to that.

 

[TacoMac]

Everyone knows he's doing it and has been doing it since day one. Nobody cares.

Technically, believe it or not, it's not a crime.