What has Trump done to this country?

DIY-HP-LED

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I preach liberalism here, but few know what it means, well it means democracy, constitutions, laws, justice and courts among other things. It also means bottom up driven and top down implemented social and political change, the seeds of colonialism's demise were right in the cradle with it, liberalism and it spread with colonialism in its institutions like a virus. The American revolution was an early example, plenty of others came later as traditional cultures adapted to the modern world and gathered in new ideas to revitalise themselves. One of those good ideas was liberalism, it's not so much about economic ideology, but about human rights for all. They managed to brainwash generations of Americans and turned the word liberal into a curse word for many, it is, for those people are against human rights for all and defined themselves as enemies of humanity.

The color of my party the liberal party is blue, same as the democrats, they better grow a set of balls or they ain't liberals, liberals fight for liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all. You signed up for liberty and the ride ain't over yet. The child of liberalism is multiculturalism and it has already arrived, better adapt quick, look north, we've been at it for years, but still have many heathen among us! :D

You signed on for liberty and the ride ain't over yet, but it's not all bad, there is great music to ease the pain. Here is an example of multiculturalism, it works both ways. Toleration is not good enough we must form communities and to do that we must first love ourselves and others and want the best for them. Here is an example of multiculturalism, honoring a great American artist and composer, Robert Johnson, legend has it he was so good because he made a deal with the Devil, Modern rock artists like Eric Clapton and the Rolling Stones worshipped the ground the man walked on.

If ya don't like the blather, just watch the fucking tune.
Walking Blues (Robert Johnson) feat. Keb' Mo' | Playing For Change | Song Around The World

In honor of blues legend Robert Johnson's birthday, we are proud to share our latest Song Around The World, "Walking Blues," featuring Keb' Mo' along with musicians from six countries. Originally written and recorded by Son House in 1930, Robert recorded his own version in 1936. We started our version in Patagonia, Argentina with Roberto Luti and Nico Bereciartua playing slide guitars in front of a 100-year-old fig tree and with that raw performance, we added friends as we traveled to create a blues jam around the world. Blues is always from the people for the people and this video creates a moment in time to come together and put all the darkness and division we face as a human race into the music so it can set us free. Turn it up and enjoy!
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Another piece of liberal wisdom, peaceful movements like Ghandi in India only work in liberal democracies where there is tremendous pressure from liberals at home and in the UK that forced change and finally independence, but there are surprisingly good relations between the nations and peoples. Ironically the UK is becoming a multicultural society today just like India, as liberalism evolved too and other voices grew louder.

In America today you have a difficult situation for many establishment liberals, Donald is breaking the constitution and law while being supported and upheld by a corrupt racist organisation, the republican party. Elections are coming and they will not only cheat and disenfranchise citizens, but have also descended into treason and now mass murder, through supporting dereliction of duty and gross incompetence that has killed tens of thousands of citizens. This is a criminal regime and must be treated as such, they are enemies of the constitution they swore to not only uphold, but to protect and defend, along with its people. Liberals will stay with in the law where they can, but remember you are dealing with lawlessness, not constitutional authority, so fucking near anything goes in the struggle for liberty.
 

Fogdog

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Another piece of liberal wisdom, peaceful movements like Ghandi in India only work in liberal democracies where there is tremendous pressure from liberals at home and in the UK that forced change and finally independence, but there are surprisingly good relations between the nations and peoples. Ironically the UK is becoming a multicultural society today just like India, as liberalism evolved too and other voices grew louder.

In America today you have a difficult situation for many establishment liberals, Donald is breaking the constitution and law while being supported and upheld by a corrupt racist organisation, the republican party. Elections are coming and they will not only cheat and disenfranchise citizens, but have also descended into treason and now mass murder, through supporting dereliction of duty and gross incompetence that has killed tens of thousands of citizens. This is a criminal regime and must be treated as such, they are enemies of the constitution they swore to not only uphold, but to protect and defend, along with its people. Liberals will stay with in the law where they can, but remember you are dealing with lawlessness, not constitutional authority, so fucking near anything goes in the struggle for liberty.
Easier said than done but thanks for the kind words.

Opinion: Protesting an authoritarian police state is terrifying



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The clip shows protesters fleeing flash grenades, tear gas, batons and projectiles the Portland Police Bureau were using to clear the public parks in front of the Justice Center. Corralled by police SUVs on streets to the north and south, about 1,000 non-violent protesters are crammed along a three-block stretch of Southwest Madison Avenue. Rather than disperse the crowd, the police had forced us into a funnel. Any desire to leave was met by the fear of what the police would do to you if you tried to escape their net.

The quote extracted from the article describes PORTLAND's OWN Police using terror tactics on more than 1,000 protesters about a month ago. They were herded into a corral and grenades were lobbed at them. It was a terrorist act. The author admits that the tactic worked. He didn't return until Trump's federal goons came back to give Portland more fascist medicine. I've attended rallies in Portland to face down fascist protesters other years and I admit that I'm finding reasons to not go too. We are battling an authoritarian police state and it IS terrifying. We know full well what's going on. Police violence IS the message. I admire the brave people who are showing up but I'm not up to it.

While the protests are important to draw attention to the problem they aren't the answer to it. The answers are: Do what police themselves have told us. Give them less to do. Defund the police. Dismantle these gangs. Do it across the country.

Portland is latest city to defund police, reallocate money to alternative programs


The Portland City Council passed a budget last week cutting at least $15 million from the police bureau, according to local news outlets, following weeks of protesters’ cries to “defund the police.” The budget for the upcoming fiscal year also includes $4.8 million in funding for Portland Street Response, a program proposed as an alternative to policing.

The pilot program was born out of research and advocacy by Street Roots, a local newspaper that works with the houseless community, which led to a pilot proposal from Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty's office in 2019.

The proposal cited the City of Eugene’s Crisis Assistance Helping Out On The Street (CAHOOTS) program, a crisis intervention team dispatched through the Eugene police-fire-ambulance communications center.


The article contained this beautiful shot of Portland on a fine summer morning. Posted to provide perspective. This place is worth fighting for.

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DIY-HP-LED

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Easier said than done but thanks for the kind words.

Opinion: Protesting an authoritarian police state is terrifying



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The clip shows protesters fleeing flash grenades, tear gas, batons and projectiles the Portland Police Bureau were using to clear the public parks in front of the Justice Center. Corralled by police SUVs on streets to the north and south, about 1,000 non-violent protesters are crammed along a three-block stretch of Southwest Madison Avenue. Rather than disperse the crowd, the police had forced us into a funnel. Any desire to leave was met by the fear of what the police would do to you if you tried to escape their net.

The quote extracted from the article describes PORTLAND's OWN Police using terror tactics on protesters about a month ago. They were herded into a coral and grenades were lobbed at them. It was a terrorist act. The author admits that the tactic worked. He didn't return until Trump's federal goons came back to give Portland more fascist medicine. I've attended rallies in Portland to face down fascist protesters other years and I admit that I'm finding reasons to not go too. We are battling an authoritarian police state and it IS terrifying. We know full well what's going on. Police violence IS the message. Really, the answer might not lie in taking their shots. I admire the brave people who are showing up but I'm not up to it.

While the protests are important to draw attention to the problem they aren't the answer to it. The answers are: Do what police themselves have told us. Give them less to do. Defund the police. Dismantle these gangs. Do it across the country.

Portland is latest city to defund police, reallocate money to alternative programs


The Portland City Council passed a budget last week cutting at least $15 million from the police bureau, according to local news outlets, following weeks of protesters’ cries to “defund the police.” The budget for the upcoming fiscal year also includes $4.8 million in funding for Portland Street Response, a program proposed as an alternative to policing.

The pilot program was born out of research and advocacy by Street Roots, a local newspaper that works with the houseless community, which led to a pilot proposal from Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty's office in 2019.

The proposal cited the City of Eugene’s Crisis Assistance Helping Out On The Street (CAHOOTS) program, a crisis intervention team dispatched through the Eugene police-fire-ambulance communications center.


The article contained this beautiful shot of Portland on a fine summer morning. Posted to provide perspective. This place is worth fighting for.

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Ideas are dangerous things when they spread and the simpler the narrative the better. It has been said that the struggle for liberty is an ongoing process, that is my view, everybody's liberty, there is no other end possible for the process of liberalism, it is an inevitability if looked at logically. Everybody in the streets is a liberal and everyone opposed to them is something else, the people in the streets want justice, law and the constitution applied, to Donald too. You have justice, the majority and history on your side, a winning formula, the other side is fortunately led by a moron.

GOOD LUCK! from a fellow Liberal! :D
 

schuylaar

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Another piece of liberal wisdom, peaceful movements like Ghandi in India only work in liberal democracies where there is tremendous pressure from liberals at home and in the UK that forced change and finally independence, but there are surprisingly good relations between the nations and peoples. Ironically the UK is becoming a multicultural society today just like India, as liberalism evolved too and other voices grew louder.

In America today you have a difficult situation for many establishment liberals, Donald is breaking the constitution and law while being supported and upheld by a corrupt racist organisation, the republican party. Elections are coming and they will not only cheat and disenfranchise citizens, but have also descended into treason and now mass murder, through supporting dereliction of duty and gross incompetence that has killed tens of thousands of citizens. This is a criminal regime and must be treated as such, they are enemies of the constitution they swore to not only uphold, but to protect and defend, along with its people. Liberals will stay with in the law where they can, but remember you are dealing with lawlessness, not constitutional authority, so fucking near anything goes in the struggle for liberty.
it's hard to become lawless when it goes against everything you've ever stood for; to be them and fight their way is a bitter pill and is what's holding citizens at bay.

i fear if we enter that realm there is no going back.

sharpened PVC pipe..?
 

Fogdog

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Ideas are dangerous things when they spread and the simpler the narrative the better. It has been said that the struggle for liberty is an ongoing process, that is my view, everybody's liberty, there is no other end possible for the process of liberalism, it is an inevitability if looked at logically. Everybody in the streets is a liberal and everyone opposed to them is something else, the people in the streets want justice, law and the constitution applied, to Donald too. You have justice, the majority and history on your side, a winning formula, the other side is fortunately led by a moron.

GOOD LUCK! from a fellow Liberal! :D
99 days until election day. A count-down thread might be appropriate soon.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Easier said than done but thanks for the kind words.

Opinion: Protesting an authoritarian police state is terrifying



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The clip shows protesters fleeing flash grenades, tear gas, batons and projectiles the Portland Police Bureau were using to clear the public parks in front of the Justice Center. Corralled by police SUVs on streets to the north and south, about 1,000 non-violent protesters are crammed along a three-block stretch of Southwest Madison Avenue. Rather than disperse the crowd, the police had forced us into a funnel. Any desire to leave was met by the fear of what the police would do to you if you tried to escape their net.

The quote extracted from the article describes PORTLAND's OWN Police using terror tactics on more than 1,000 protesters about a month ago. They were herded into a corral and grenades were lobbed at them. It was a terrorist act. The author admits that the tactic worked. He didn't return until Trump's federal goons came back to give Portland more fascist medicine. I've attended rallies in Portland to face down fascist protesters other years and I admit that I'm finding reasons to not go too. We are battling an authoritarian police state and it IS terrifying. We know full well what's going on. Police violence IS the message. Really, the answer might not lie in taking their shots. I admire the brave people who are showing up but I'm not up to it.

While the protests are important to draw attention to the problem they aren't the answer to it. The answers are: Do what police themselves have told us. Give them less to do. Defund the police. Dismantle these gangs. Do it across the country.

Portland is latest city to defund police, reallocate money to alternative programs


The Portland City Council passed a budget last week cutting at least $15 million from the police bureau, according to local news outlets, following weeks of protesters’ cries to “defund the police.” The budget for the upcoming fiscal year also includes $4.8 million in funding for Portland Street Response, a program proposed as an alternative to policing.

The pilot program was born out of research and advocacy by Street Roots, a local newspaper that works with the houseless community, which led to a pilot proposal from Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty's office in 2019.

The proposal cited the City of Eugene’s Crisis Assistance Helping Out On The Street (CAHOOTS) program, a crisis intervention team dispatched through the Eugene police-fire-ambulance communications center.


The article contained this beautiful shot of Portland on a fine summer morning. Posted to provide perspective. This place is worth fighting for.

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Maybe next year ya should see if Joe can award the medal of freedom to Portland, Rush got it, so it ain't a reach, give the citizens a lapel pin too! :D
 

schuylaar

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That didn't take long, the coward backed out of throwing out the first pitch at the Yankee game.
Trump said he won't be throwing out the first pitch prior to New York's game on Aug. 15 vs. Boston, but may later in the year

never a commitment..always leave room to change, spin or say you never said because you said 'may'..to have a person in authority to constantly be this way causes emotional distress in others.

it is a ridiculous style of talking it's not positive or sunny- it's creepy because you know that person is straddling the fence for the very purpose of straddling the fence.
 

schuylaar

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i'd like to bitch about the ever growing lack of access to digital news content. The Times, The Post?..that's what advertisers are paying for and i won't read your rag because you have competition; i can find the story elsewhere.

i just needed you to know i'm insulted, don't like to be nickled and dimed therefore, i'll never pay for it:finger:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i'd like to bitch about the ever growing lack of access to digital news content. The Times, The Post?..that's what advertisers are paying for and i won't read your rag because you have competition; i can find the story elsewhere.

i just needed you to know i'm insulted and don't like to be nickled and dimed therefore, i'll never pay for it:finger:
Notice that Fox news gives it away? No problem finding their content, MSNBC provides clips that are good enough for my purposes. I've got plenty of news, go to the CBC site or any of the Canadian news sites, they cover American news objectively and well, they also partner with US broadcasters. I'd like to see MSNBC go free access until the end of the year, they provide the best liberal narrative, and liberal means what I said earlier, don't let those republican assholes steal that concept from you too, it is foundational! It means change and human progress, conservative means the opposite, the status quo, A lot of white folks like things just as they are, they must be told that this is unacceptable.

The racists did the same thing to freedom fruit, watermelon and turned a source of economic independence for newly freed black people into a cruel joke. They did the same to liberal when they tried to stop the tide of history from sweeping them away. Well the liberals are back assholes, we ain't the snowflakes and pussies, they are, they are the ones driven by fear, our side is driven by righteous rage and courage!

To illustrate the point, every one of those white people in the video looked afraid and ashamed, I wonder how they felt when they saw themselves on TV, they looked real fucking small to me!

In the end it's about courage and honor, I've never seen a Trumper here display either.

 

hanimmal

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i'd like to bitch about the ever growing lack of access to digital news content. The Times, The Post?..that's what advertisers are paying for and i won't read your rag because you have competition; i can find the story elsewhere.

i just needed you to know i'm insulted, don't like to be nickled and dimed therefore, i'll never pay for it:finger:
Use Ap news.

I think it is more about having to pay actual journalists to do the work it takes to investigate stories, maintain lawyers for the lawsuits they face, stuff like that.

Most the other stuff out there is so sketchy, you know if the Post has it, they are at least exposed to getting sued if it is not factually accurate.

And any website that has a pop up telling you they are using cookies, they are selling whatever clicks/articles time reading (scroll times) etc. and all that info is getting used to 'sell' you everything from whatever is being pushed in your ad spam to militarized trolls personality profiles on you.

I don't mind the couple bucks a month for breaking the paywall for the Post online. But I do get the feeling, I had it for a long time too, which is why the AP is so important. Reuters too.
 

schuylaar

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Use Ap news.

I think it is more about having to pay actual journalists to do the work it takes to investigate stories, maintain lawyers for the lawsuits they face, stuff like that.

Most the other stuff out there is so sketchy, you know if the Post has it, they are at least exposed to getting sued if it is not factually accurate.

And any website that has a pop up telling you they are using cookies, they are selling whatever clicks/articles time reading (scroll times) etc. and all that info is getting used to 'sell' you everything from whatever is being pushed in your ad spam to militarized trolls personality profiles on you.

I don't mind the couple bucks a month for breaking the paywall for the Post online. But I do get the feeling, I had it for a long time too, which is why the AP is so important. Reuters too.
about what?
 

hanimmal

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about what?
Not wanting to pay. And how annoying paywalls are.

It sucked I think more because I would hit so many of them when I didn't have one I trusted as a go-to when I was searching for the information I was looking for.

That was why I got the Washington Post when I started using it here, because I was sick of the paywalls too.
 

schuylaar

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their generosity is so underwhelming:

The White House floated plans to cut the additional aid back to $100 a week, while Senate Republicans preferred $200, with general GOP agreement about phasing out the flat boost in favor of one that ensures no more than 70% of an employee’s previous pay.

 

Fogdog

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i'd like to bitch about the ever growing lack of access to digital news content. The Times, The Post?..that's what advertisers are paying for and i won't read your rag because you have competition; i can find the story elsewhere.

i just needed you to know i'm insulted, don't like to be nickled and dimed therefore, i'll never pay for it:finger:
You are right.

I gave up and started paying subscriptions in order to access a few well regarded sources. Then again, we have a family that accesses it, not just one person and I want my kids to be able to just go to a reliable site rather than get stuff from the NY Post. Even Huffington, while accurate is biased.

Free isn't always worth the price. You link to some really dodgy sites some time. Common Dreams, for example. That source is completely unreliable due to strong left-bias. You don't even care if the story is true so long as it matches your bias. Your rants about "Bernie was cheated" and "Corrupt Hillary" were the stuff of epic fake news propaganda. I'd like to bitch about that. But it would fall on your deaf ears. So I won't.

But you are right. It's inconsiderate of others when I post something they can't access. In future, if I find something in WaPO, for example, I'll look for same content in non-paywall to link to here. AP and Reuters are good.
 
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