The Impeachment Of Donald Trump

[Fogdog]

In principle I agree, though the Brexit is not a good comparison, people under 35 support Sanders overwhelmingly (change) and those 35 and older are overwhelmly for Biden (a return to normalcy). Biden might be more acceptable to a broader spectrum of voters and even cut into the Trump vote of old white farts. Everybody is highly motivated to get rid of Trump and will fall in line behind the democratic nominee, IMHO Biden would win by a larger margin and have the longest down ballot coattails. Biden is the safe bet, Bernie not so much, both could beat Trump but the right running mate is important to both of these seniors and the country.

The election is state by state and I figure old Joe could win more of them than Bernie.

To me, all the Democratic candidates are leagues better than Trump.

Independent voters are more conservative than Democrats. To win, Democrats need their votes and I'm not nearly as confident as you that they will vote for Sanders in the fall. All Trump needs is for disaffected people to stay home.

 

[spek9]

Sen. Lamar Alexander Makes 'Preposterous' Statement About Impeachment | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., characterized the president's actions in Ukraine as inappropriate but said the Constitution doesn't grant the Senate a right to remove the president from office for inappropriate actions. The panel discusses. Aired on 1/31/20.

The United States is showing to the entire world that it approves corruption at its highest levels. It permits its President to do what it wants with Congressionally-approved funds to benefit himself personally. Now that this has (nearly) been accomplished, one has to wonder what's going to occur in the next few months leading up to election, and if Trump will leave at all, now that he's armed with an extremely inflated sense of "I can literally do whatever I want".

Allies will no longer trust the USA, and rogue states will see the US as a mercenary that can be bought and used as a weapon.

Completely despicable what the USA has degraded into.

Ironically and deservedly, the people who will suffer the most will be Trump's most ardent supporters. Those are the people who have the most reliance on what minimal social services that are currently available. These services will be (and are) highest on the chopping block.

If it disgusts me, I can't even imagine how the sane portion of the US population feels.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

To me, all the Democratic candidates are leagues better than Trump.

Independent voters are more conservative than Democrats. To win, Democrats need their votes and I'm not nearly as confident as you that they will vote for Sanders in the fall. All Trump needs is for disaffected people to stay home.

Joe appeals to older voters in the middle and conservatives who can't stomach Trump, there's a reason Trump fears Biden, he's probably got private polling data. Biden would probably take millions of votes away from Trump and would be more popular in red states, Joe is also white as snow and we know that some people think that is important! There's a reason Donald got into shit over trying to screw Joe, he's afraid, losing means prison for Trump and Hell to pay for Putin and Russia, if old Joe is POTUS he will be pissed at all the shit coming out by then too, so will America.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The United States is showing to the entire world that it approves corruption at its highest levels. It permits its President to do what it wants with Congressionally-approved funds to benefit himself personally. Now that this has (nearly) been accomplished, one has to wonder what's going to occur in the next few months leading up to election, and if Trump will leave at all, now that he's armed with an extremely inflated sense of "I can literally do whatever I want".

Allies will no longer trust the USA, and rogue states will see the US as a mercenary that can be bought and used as a weapon.

Completely despicable what the USA has degraded into.

Ironically and deservedly, the people who will suffer the most will be Trump's most ardent supporters. Those are the people who have the most reliance on what minimal social services that are currently available. These services will be (and are) highest on the chopping block.

If it disgusts me, I can't even imagine how the sane portion of the US population feels.

While many here will agree with most of what you have to say, remember a majority of Americans are appalled at the situation and will speak in november. It's not "Completely despicable what the USA has degraded into", but more correct to say, it's completely despicable what the some Americans have degraded into. A third of the government and the courts are free to act, and will, the house will continue investigations and shit will continue to fall from the sky, words and actions have consequences, so do elections.

Try not to paint with too big a brush, you're tarring friends too when America is perceived as a monolith, instead of a dynamic multicultural society at a major juncture of it's evolution. If American democracy goes down, we in Canada will be fucked real quick, Trump is a national security threat to Canada, as well as one to NATO. Trump is Putin's puppet, and he is pulling Donald's strings, Russia also has thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us and is a hostile power.

 

[dandyrandy]

The people I know that love him are just like him.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

So I guess if Donald wanted to give Alaska back to Russia for the original purchase price, the GOP senate would ratify it! That would give Canada a new neighbor and a refugee problem! Hey, Vlad might as well shoot for the sky at this point, since King Donald can do no wrong and is unimpeachable.

 

[hillbill]

trump was installed by Putin and other Russian Oligarchs. trump is terrified of Putin and should be as Putin has made it very clear that he is capable of proxy murder anywhere

trump does what he is told. Benedict

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The people I know that love him are just like him.

A historic moment, all of America's assholes in one party, under one fuhrer. One reich, one volk, one fuhrer. When I was growing up I could never understand the hold Hitler had over the German people (he only got 33% of the vote) and how he weaseled his way into power. Trump allowed me to understand how a great society descends into barbarism, bigotry, and he still has a 42% approval rating and the support of a majority of whites.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

trump was installed by Putin and other Russian Oligarchs. trump is terrified of Putin and should be as Putin has made it very clear that he is capable of proxy murder anywhere

trump does what he is told. Benedict

Putin has another kind of power over Donald, he owns him and he has mighty kompromat on Trump including movies. Vlad owns Trump and the only reason he hasn't nuked us is that it would fuck up his investments in the west and American commanders in the field (and under the sea) would nuke him back, fuck Trump.

 

[Fogdog]

The United States is showing to the entire world that it approves corruption at its highest levels. It permits its President to do what it wants with Congressionally-approved funds to benefit himself personally. Now that this has (nearly) been accomplished, one has to wonder what's going to occur in the next few months leading up to election, and if Trump will leave at all, now that he's armed with an extremely inflated sense of "I can literally do whatever I want".

Allies will no longer trust the USA, and rogue states will see the US as a mercenary that can be bought and used as a weapon.

Completely despicable what the USA has degraded into.

Ironically and deservedly, the people who will suffer the most will be Trump's most ardent supporters. Those are the people who have the most reliance on what minimal social services that are currently available. These services will be (and are) highest on the chopping block.

If it disgusts me, I can't even imagine how the sane portion of the US population feels.

I can't speak for the entire US portion of the population that remain sane (more than half, it would seem). I will voice my thoughts, though. Also, I don't think I'm alone in what I'm saying here.

Trump and his corruption was evident before the election and it hasn't changed. This week didn't change anything in that regard. This outcome was a done deal from the beginning, no one should be surprised at Trump's acquittal. One can be disappointed. I am. We came pretty close, didn't we?

What I do feel is pride in the Democratic Party for documenting Trump's corruption and ensuring Republican Senators are permanently tied to supporting his corrupt acts. The testimony and legal justification for impeaching and removing Trump are well documented and permanently available for all to see and review for all time. Trump forced Democrats to impeach and try him for committing -- in front of everybody -- a blatant act of abuse of power in order to extract a personal gain. Not a single Republican leader came out clean on this. I don't know what will happen this fall but nobody in the US can pretend they don't know about what just happened. I hope that this is remembered and given weight when voters make their choices next fall. I think it will. Though at this moment, the balance of power seems to me to be too close to confidently predict a sharp tip of the scales away from the corrupt, fascist party of Trump . The ripple effect over time will, I think, overwhelm them. Maybe not this year, though.

Going forward, once Democrats gain full power in Congress and the WH, I will advocate that actions be taken to limit the powers of the president so that he can't interfere with the oversight of his actions by Congress as mandated in the Constitution. We can't let Trump's doctrine regarding presidential power to become standard practice. Doesn't matter who holds office.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

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Here's Sen. Murkowski's statement on her no vote

Impeachment trial of President Trump: Live updates

Senators are expected to debate the question of whether to compel witnesses and documents at the impeachment trial. Follow here for the latest updates from the Senate.

www.cnn.com

GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who just announced she'd vote no for witnesses and documents at the impeachment trial, has released a statement on her rationale.
Murkowski was one of four key senators we had been watching. She and Sen. Lamar Alexander said they will vote no, while Sens. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney will vote yes.
Here's her full statement:

“I worked for a fair, honest, and transparent process, modeled after the Clinton trial, to provide ample time for both sides to present their cases, ask thoughtful questions, and determine whether we need more.
“The House chose to send articles of impeachment that are rushed and flawed. I carefully considered the need for additional witnesses and documents, to cure the shortcomings of its process, but ultimately decided that I will vote against considering motions to subpoena.
“Given the partisan nature of this impeachment from the very beginning and throughout, I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don’t believe the continuation of this process will change anything. It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed.
“It has also become clear some of my colleagues intend to further politicize this process, and drag the Supreme Court into the fray, while attacking the Chief Justice. I will not stand for nor support that effort. We have already degraded this institution for partisan political benefit, and I will not enable those who wish to pull down another.
“We are sadly at a low point of division in this country.”

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Trump Asked Bolton to Help With Ukraine Pressure Campaign Last Spring, Memoir Says
DO ME A FAVOR THOUGH

Trump Asked Bolton to Help With Ukraine Pressure Campaign Last Spring, Memoir Says

Mick Mulvaney, Rudy Giuliani, and White House counsel Pat Cipollone were present for the Oval Office meeting, the former national security adviser says.

www.thedailybeast.com

President Trump asked his then-National Security Adviser John Bolton to help him with his campaign to put pressure on Ukraine to investigate his political rivals during an Oval Office conversation last May, Bolton claims in a manuscript of his forthcoming memoir. The meeting was also said to be attended by Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff; Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney; and White House counsel Pat Cipollone. During the roughly 10-minute conversation, Bolton writes that Trump ordered him to call newly elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and make sure that he would meet with Giuliani on his trip to Ukraine. Bolton says he never made the call. Giuliani told a Times reporter that Bolton is “making some of it up,” then backtracked, saying, “I wouldn’t call it making it up, but he’s acting like a real scumbag by never telling me that he objected once, & then saying I was a time bomb, or a firecracker or something.”

Shortly after the Times posted the new memoir details, reporter Maggie Haberman posted a comment from Trump denying Bolton’s allegation: “I never instructed John Bolton to set up a meeting for Rudy Giuliani, one of the greatest corruption fighters in America and by far the greatest mayor in the history of N.Y.C., to meet with President Zelensky. That meeting never happened.”
Read it at The New York Times

 

[doublejj]

Impeach him again....

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Impeach him again....

Keep up the house investigations with the courts onside by spring about witnesses and documents. John Roberts presided over the whole sham and slam dunk trial, this might have an effect on the speed of the courts. I'll bet he's pissed at the GOP about getting dragged into presiding over a kangaroo court! If the senate will not act, perhaps the courts might, a little faster now.

One day this is suddenly gonna blow wide open with documents and a long line of witnesses, starting with Bolton. Impeaching Bill Barr or forcing him to recuse might be helpful too, if he is forced by the courts onto the hot seat in the house he'll have a Helluva time.

 

[Serious Weeds]

I must say you guys sure are hopeful. To bad you all live in fantasy land. You have been predicting his impeachment since the first day in office and you are no closer now then you were then, perhaps even further now. No one has found any evidence that trump has done anything impeachable, but keep it up very entertaining... and his approval numbers all the way around minorities and all just keep going up.

Please continue to keep crying wolf it just makes his job of getting reelected easier.

 

[hanimmal]

I must say you guys sure are hopeful. To bad you all live in fantasy land. You have been predicting his impeachment since the first day in office and you are no closer now then you were then, perhaps even further now. No one has found any evidence that trump has done anything impeachable, but keep it up very entertaining... and his approval numbers all the way around minorities and all just keep going up.

Please continue to keep crying wolf it just makes his job of getting reelected easier.

He is impeached. And he has been breaking the law as President since day one, which is why he has been crying about Democrats impeaching him since day one. Funny little bubble you live in.

 

[spek9]

You have been predicting his impeachment since the first day in office and you are no closer now then you were then

Trump was, and is forever irrevocably Impeached. Just because he might not be removed from office, doesn't mean he wasn't Impeached.

Please have an understanding of what you speak of before you say anything.

 

[Serious Weeds]

Trump was, and is forever irrevocably Impeached. Just because he might not be removed from office, doesn't mean he wasn't Impeached.

Please have an understanding of what you speak of before you say anything.

Yes impeached but not removed. And a vote along party lines with exceptions to a few democrats that voted against it. So it is clear it was a bogus impeachment that will never change. Thanks again please keep it up.

 

[Fogdog]

This phase appears to be done, next round...
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Here's Sen. Murkowski's statement on her no vote

Impeachment trial of President Trump: Live updates

Senators are expected to debate the question of whether to compel witnesses and documents at the impeachment trial. Follow here for the latest updates from the Senate.

www.cnn.com

GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who just announced she'd vote no for witnesses and documents at the impeachment trial, has released a statement on her rationale.
Murkowski was one of four key senators we had been watching. She and Sen. Lamar Alexander said they will vote no, while Sens. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney will vote yes.
Here's her full statement:

Well, God damn her.

"It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed. "

That feckless bitch.

As an institution, the Congress has not failed. The Republican Party's leadership and Republican Party Senators failed. Democratic Party leadership and Democratic Party Senators did not.

 

[Serious Weeds]

Well, God damn her.

"It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed. "

That feckless bitch.

As an institution, the Congress has not failed. The Republican Party's leadership and Republican Party Senators failed. Democratic Party leadership and Democratic Party Senators did not.

The congress did fail it voted for an impeachment trial without proper evidence to support the impeachment.... failed