Fogdog
Well-Known Member
Sounds as if we mostly agree. Where you claim we disagree is based upon your imagination. As I said, I want the distribution of wealth to be rolled back to that of the 50's. Wealth distribution has always been concentrated in the top 10%. In 1952, 70% of national wealth was held by the top 10% of families. In 2012, 77% of national wealth was held by the top 10%. What is troubling is the trend is sharply in favor of the top 10% accumulating more with most of the gains going to the top 0.1%. I'm not interested in penalizing productive people who, by their efforts gain great wealth, I'm interested in reversing a trend where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. We have a lot of investment in education and infrastructure to do in this country and that's where I propose we get the funds to pay for it.i have an adult son, but his mother and i broke up years ago, and we don't communicate. i did pay her monthly though, till he turned 18. more than i was required to.
i was one of a pair of fools, anyone is a pair of fools to start a family before you're ready. there are several methods of contraception....pick one and use it till you get your shit at least semi together...wish i would have.
and i do not think someone who doesn't have a load of money is a bum. i've never been interested in the acquisition of wealth myself.
officially, i didn't make a goddamn penny last year. not one. unofficially, i made about 30k....i would happily pay my 15% taxes if they would take it without questions....but i've always managed to pay my bills and feed myself. maybe i'm a little too proud, but i'd rather go hungry a few days than take a handout. every single times i've ever taken any "help" in my life, i've regretted it, almost immediately. people who offer you help want to become involved in your life, want to help you make "better decisions".....want to be condescending sanctimonious fuckface assholes....i'd rather do without and live in a fucking box. so it's kind of hard for me to understand how people can live a life of leeching...off of their parents, their friends, the government, and through the government, everyone who pays taxes....
you want to change the system so that everyone gets fair payment for the work they do. good, totally behind that.
you want to change things so that everyone pays their fair share, and the super rich can't avoid their load of the tax burden. good, great idea.
you want everyone to have equal opportunity, to not be discriminated against because of ethnicity, religious beliefs, sex, or sexual orientation. fine, no problem with that.
you also at least seem to want to change the system to make it impossible for anyone to become rich. not so good an idea. those people are the ones who invent, innovate, create new jobs and new businesses. as long as they're paying their share and aren't using unethical means to achieve their goals, i don't care if they make ALL the fucking money, and use it as toilet paper.
and while they're busy doing that, i'll be playing in my garden and taking a walk in the woods. which are the things i want to do. win/win

source: https://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/SaezZucman14slides.pdf