Proper & Pure n,n-DMT pull / extraction

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Purpsmagurps

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Overview: This procedure is essentially an acid-base (A/B) extraction with one simple additional step and one additional, but critical material, elemental zinc powder. Necessary items have been underlined. Zn powder (the finer the better) can be acquired easily and cheaply in small quantities if you search the web...so lets get started:

Our starting point is DMT n-oxide, either the oil from a Bestine recrystallization, which many of us (myself included) have heretofore used "as is" (harsh and not a clean feeling high) or have simply thrown away in the past. What a shame! If you take the time to dry your n-oxide oil by leaving it out in an open shot glass for 24 - 48 hours, it WILL thicken and crystallize into a dirty yellow to brown tacky powder which you can then chop into crumbly, powdery bits as illustrated. Here is 400mg on a white card so you will recognize the product:




Procedure: 400mg of DMT-n-oxide is added to 6 ml of ascetic acid (white vinegar) in a flask with a magnetic stirrer. You may use a jar and a glass marble as a substitute. The solution will turn a muddy yellow-brown.


400mg of elemental zinc was carefully weighed and added to the solution, and stirred for two (2) hours using a magnetic stirrer. You may just carry your jar around and give it a swirl every couple of minutes.


After two hours, the solution was diluted with an additional 14 cc's of distilled water (making a total volume of 20cc's) and then basified to a Ph of ~ 10 (MUST be 9.5 or higher, use a tester or litmus paper!) using food grade sodium carbonate. Add the base slowly, and test often. A beautiful snow-white precipitation will appear: IMPERATIVE SAFETY NOTE: THIS IS SODIUM CARBONATE, NOT SODIUM HYDROXIDE (LYE!) PLEASE DO NOT USE LYE AS YOUR BASE!!! READ THE LABEL IN THE PIC AND MAKE SURE YOU USE THE RIGHT / SAME STUFF!!!!


Add 20cc's of naphtha, and treat just as you would if you were doing a MHRB extraction. Swirl often at room temperature. The naphtha will turn a pale urine-yellow, and the precipitate will slowly disappear as it migrates into the naphtha. Pipette off ONLY the naphtha (use an eye dropper if you must) and freeze precipitate to recover n,n,DMT. DONE!


Here's the final, snow white powder shown as a precipitate in 20cc's of naphtha:


And here is the final product as an eggshell-colored final powder, which weighed in at exactly 47mg - and VERY pure and VERY active!!! Please compare with start!!!


Please note: Naphtha can only hold 1 gram (1000mg) of n,n,DMT per 100cc's, so do multiple extractions just as you would with bark. The volume of naphtha was kept low in this experiment because I prefer to freeze precipitate as opposed to evaporate solvent (no vapors, no smell). You may do otherwise.

I'll update one final time to set out with more particularity, the proportions and volumes - but you can probably figure that out on your own by scaling to your starting mass of n-oxide!

Edit dated 9/3/11: Four pulls completed, 128mg recovered thus far. Heated while stirring on magnetic stirrer to 85 degrees centigrade, and got a modest emulsion. Don't use heat! Still able to pull and have two more in the freezer that look promising!

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Purpsmagurps

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its a different way to the same thing but the first extraction is simpler not removing the "fat" to just use zinc at the end to clean it up. pulls more in the end.
 

HeatlessBBQ

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UPADTE ON THE EXTRACTION!!!

SWIM says He is going a different way than most people go.
Instead of Freeze Precipitation. SWIM wants to just let the whole naphtha solution dissolve and disappear.

SWIM doesn't have any pictures right now but will update You all when He gets close to harvesting. SWIM says SWIM can see little bulbs forming on the bottom of the collection container. Also SWIM did ADD more Naphtha and did another few pulls to get more product.

This could take another 4-5 days... :dunce:
 

HeatlessBBQ

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Step 7.) Add MORE Naphtha to Mixture.
[before this step you can divide glass container x2-3 - optional]









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Step 8.) Mix / Heat / Wait x3-7. [keep glass container/s open & not sealed]
[boil a pan of water, take off to OUTSIDE, set glass container/s containing mixture in hot water]










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Step 8-B.) Let Mixture Settle











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Step 9.) Let Mixture settle into TWO layers [Naphtha on top. Sodium Hydroxide/RB on bottom].
[The top layer should have dissolved / emulsified the n,n-DMT into the naphtha.]

Step 10.) Decant the top layer into a glass container/s. DO NOT decant any bottom layer!!!







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Step 11.) Collect the Naphtha that contains the DMT into a separate glass container/s to Precipitate.


Step 12.) Repeat steps 7-10 {two, three or more times for a better yield}. [optional]
[2 extra glass containers may be needed]





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Step 13.) Let Naphtha containing DMT settle. [crystals start forming]












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n,n-DMT alkaloids will collect at the bottom.

You may Freeze Precipitate or Quick Evap.
It takes 6-7 hours for 20 mL of Naphtha to evaporate at 75*F temperature.
So measure accordingly and timely.


If You Freeze Precipitate,
You must wait 12-16 hours for the crystals to freeze; before pouring off the remaining
[unneeded Naphtha].
Then You may scrape or collect Your alkaloids / DMT material.


If You Quick Evap. [Evaporate]
[please do it outside;
for Naphtha fumes could fill the air],

Heat does help but can be a risk. Not to mention Naphtha is flammable.



Will be posting more updates.
SWIM thinks SWIM is getting close to harvest time...

Thanks for following, eVeryone.
~BBQ






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HeatlessBBQ

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Anyone have any ideas what to call the honey colored oil - this was taken from a 4th or 5th pull lime tek.

That is approx 10 mg of honey colored spirit oil on that blade. There is approx 30 mg of flake and oil in that pile - 4th or 5th extraction from the same 50g of MHRB that had been sitting for six days. First time the oil has shown up......any :idea: ?
Looks to me like it is "Jungle DMT" or some sort of "Jimjam" with several other alkaloids. I am just surprised it came out from a Naphtha pull; however, there are some factors that could make sense out of this.

I am not a chemist so I really can't explain.......what do you think @ HeatlessBBQ ?
The only thing I can really tink of is You decanted some of bottom layer, Mate.
But You say that's not the case...

Could You please elaborate on what YOU may think that little dabber may be?
 
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QUAD BREATH

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@QUAD BREATH, have YOU partaken in YOUR new product yet, Mate?

How do YOU smoke YOUR Deemstahs?
I got approx. 300mg of beautiful smelling spice just waiting......I'm just really busy with things right now but hope to give this a go in the next two months. I'll give you first hand information once I try it for myself; perhaps, you'll have a report before I do and offer some tips.

I can tell you one thing, these crystals smell devine - smells like jasmine incense. This stuff requires respect. Just by the smell and its aura, you know if you hit this properly, it is not taking you to the moon....but rather, right through the fuken black hole lol. :o

And from all the reading I've done, I am thinking of using the sandwich technique with a bong. A layer of ash ...spice on top.........layer of ash on top of spice .....slowly vaporize and hit it in one or two pulls.
 

QUAD BREATH

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The only thing I can really tink of is You decanted some of bottom layer, Mate.
But You say that's not the case...

Could You please elaborate on what YOU may think that little dabber may be?
I don't think it is a lower layer as there isn't a lower layer in this tek. Further, the naphtha is perfectly clear when decanted to pyrex dish.

Anyways, here is some really good information on Jungle Spice and other alkaloids:
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/w/images/b/b7/Jungle_Spice.pdf

Usually, if you want a full spectrum product you use something like xylene as indicated in Q21's tek. In fact, after you pull your pure white DMT you can go back with xylene and extract the other alkaloids.

I was a little puzzled because I was just using naphtha. However, with Q21's tek two-thirds of the naphtha would soak into the bark and would remain in there (and evaporate too) until next pull. Perhaps, the build up of naphtha and evaporation caused some sort of reaction ...not sure. I do know one thing, it smells just like DMT - that is why I believe this is some form of Jungle or Jimjam.
Further, that pull I used hotter water, to heat bark and naphtha, than I did on previous pulls; this and other factors may have led to pulling fats, oils, and other alkaloids. After doing some reading, it seems others have also pulled this oil with naphtha:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38951
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19320

Whatever it is, it does smell like spice and I will save for the end.

Swim did a final pull, and got more oil. This was a little more translucent and still smelled of spice.


The bottom blob is the same oil I showed before. The top is the most recent and final pull - actually, there is about the same amount of oil still in the pan too. That debris in the top oil is a little bit of bark.
 
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HeatlessBBQ

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That exact amount of root bark is undetermined. 150-250 grams?

At what point does it become an over saturation of bark powder to H20 ratio?
Also... Does surface area account as a variable?

Should SWIM pull 100 gram intervals instead?
 

QUAD BREATH

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That exact amount of root bark is undetermined. 150-250 grams?

At what point does it become an over saturation of bark powder to H20 ratio?
Also... Does surface area account as a variable?

Should SWIM pull 100 gram intervals instead?
I was asking about weight because in your tek you say use between 50-100 g. If that was the case, it looks like you have a lot naphtha for that amount and was curious about your reasons.

You mentioned at beginning of thread you were going to combine a few teks together thus, I assumed you were familiar with chemistry. I am not a chemist, so whenever I do proven Teks for the first time I like to follow instructions to the letter until I am familiar with the process.

Saturation and surface areas can certainly be variables.

You can process as much as you want. Certain Teks, I think are better suited for for bulk production. What is important, is that you know ahead of time how much you want to process so that you can accurately measure all ingredients and choose proper tek.....especially, if it is your first time.
 
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HeatlessBBQ

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A bit of honesty needs to be expressed here...

SWIM just informed Me that SWIM's first n,n-DMT extraction failed, miserably.
 

QUAD BREATH

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A bit of honesty needs to be expressed here...

SWIM just informed Me that SWIM's first n,n-DMT extraction failed, miserably.
I like swim's honesty. Tell swim bark is cheap and a chance to look at the other-side is worth more than money. If swim learned from his mistake then all is not lost ......tell swim to get back on the horse and start over. Hopefully, this time, swim will use a "proper" tek :wink:
 
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