New Zealand to change gun laws

Will the US ever get serious about effective gun control?

  • Yes, the will of the majority of people demands it

    Votes: 8 25.8%

  • No, the NRA and the gun lobby will never allow it

    Votes: 23 74.2%
  • Total voters
    31
scumrot derelict

scumrot derelict

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crimsonecho said:
Look. I respect your opinions. I don’t insult, i don’t ridicule. You are the one who is disrespectful against mine and you keep trying to convert me onto your ideas. I gave you reasons for it you don’t think they are valid. Ok. Again my ego is not that fragile. I talked about how this perceived civilization is fascistic in nature and the hypocrisy about guns is funny to me because when someones starts to talk about guns in relationship to their freedom, i ask myself what freedom? Authoritanism is everywhere. Yeah a ban on guns would shatter the perception of personal freedom. Perception of it. In reality no one is free. So i think yeah the goverment should ban them all just so you can see that people are not in control of anything. They don’t and they will not tho. Because they are in the pocket of gun manufacturers. Again people are not in control. What you want or what i want or what we advocate doesn’t change shit.

This is not my morality. I have no morals in the sence you refer. I have ethics and an ideology. These could be considered as my morality if you insist on using the term but these “morals” have been constructed by me in the light of evidence and reason. Your morals are different. Look, i respect it. It is just that easy.
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You're a fucking mess, dude.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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crimsonecho said:
Look. I respect your opinions. I don’t insult, i don’t ridicule. You are the one who is disrespectful against mine and you keep trying to convert me onto your ideas. I gave you reasons for it you don’t think they are valid. Ok. Again my ego is not that fragile. I talked about how this perceived civilization is fascistic in nature and the hypocrisy about guns is funny to me because when someones starts to talk about guns in relationship to their freedom, i ask myself what freedom? Authoritanism is everywhere. Yeah a ban on guns would shatter the perception of personal freedom. Perception of it. In reality no one is free. So i think yeah the goverment should ban them all just so you can see that people are not in control of anything. They don’t and they will not tho. Because they are in the pocket of gun manufacturers. Again people are not in control. What you want or what i want or what we advocate doesn’t change shit.

This is not my morality. I have no morals in the sence you refer. I have ethics and an ideology. These could be considered as my morality if you insist on using the term but these “morals” have been constructed by me in the light of evidence and reason. Your morals are different. Look, i respect it. It is just that easy.
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Oh come on, man. Your opening lines to me when we first started talking on this subject was all about morality and what other people SHOULD do. Rob Roy does the same thing and I've put him on ignore. As with Rob's, your utopia doesn't sound like one to me. Sounds hideous, actually.

Also, you don't know what fascism is. Also you don't know what communism is.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Hydro4life said:
I can see where your coming from Rob Roy, and I'm not trying to change your opinion, rather respect it. But am a little lost as to how the New Zealand government would use guns to make the money to buy back guns?
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I appreciate your respectful demeanor. I'll begin to answer your question below.

There are two ways to acquire funding money. The voluntary exchange way and the involuntary capture way.

An example of a voluntary exchange would be you offering to sell a bicycle for $50 on your front lawn and I drive by and decide I might need a bicycle in that price range. I stop and politely inquire about the bike. We haggle a bit, either one of us being free to walk away from the negotiation, but we settled on $45 and you got the money and I got the bicycle. Each of us benefitted, each of got what we wanted and neither of us was forced into the voluntary exchange. It was peaceful and there were no threats to either one of us, we came to mutual agreement.

An involuntary exchange would be one where at least one of the parties doesn't get to walk away from the "negotiation" since the terms aren't arrived at mutually, instead they are imposed by an edict / law and enforced with a government goon(s) with a gun.

Tax revenue will be needed to fund any "gun buyback". Who will pay that and will it be gotten thru voluntary or involuntary exchange ?
 
scumrot derelict

scumrot derelict

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Rob Roy said:
I appreciate your respectful demeanor. I'll begin to answer your question below.

There are two ways to acquire funding money. The voluntary exchange way and the involuntary capture way.

An example of a voluntary exchange would be you offering to sell a bicycle for $50 on your front lawn and I drive by and decide I might need a bicycle in that price range. I stop and politely inquire about the bike. We haggle a bit, either one of us being free to walk away from the negotiation, but we settled on $45 and you got the money and I got the bicycle. Each of us benefitted, each of got what we wanted and neither of us was forced into the voluntary exchange. It was peaceful and there were no threats to either one of us, we came to mutual agreement.

An involuntary exchange would be one where at least one of the parties doesn't get to walk away from the "negotiation" since the terms aren't arrived at mutually, instead they are imposed by an edict / law and enforced with a government goon(s) with a gun.

Tax revenue will be needed to fund any "gun buyback". Who will pay that and will it be gotten thru voluntary or involuntary exchange ?
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Why are you the way you are? You suck so fucking bad.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
I appreciate your respectful demeanor. I'll begin to answer your question below.

There are two ways to acquire funding money. The voluntary exchange way and the involuntary capture way.

An example of a voluntary exchange would be you offering to sell a bicycle for $50 on your front lawn and I drive by and decide I might need a bicycle in that price range. I stop and politely inquire about the bike. We haggle a bit, either one of us being free to walk away from the negotiation, but we settled on $45 and you got the money and I got the bicycle. Each of us benefitted, each of got what we wanted and neither of us was forced into the voluntary exchange. It was peaceful and there were no threats to either one of us, we came to mutual agreement.

An involuntary exchange would be one where at least one of the parties doesn't get to walk away from the "negotiation" since the terms aren't arrived at mutually, instead they are imposed by an edict / law and enforced with a government goon(s) with a gun.

Tax revenue will be needed to fund any "gun buyback". Who will pay that and will it be gotten thru voluntary or involuntary exchange ?
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Taxes are voluntary and require consent

Why did you describe pedophilia as consensual?
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Fogdog said:
Oh come on, man. Your opening lines to me when we first started talking on this subject was all about morality and what other people SHOULD do. Rob Roy does the same thing and I've put him on ignore. As with Rob's, your utopia doesn't sound like one to me. Sounds hideous, actually.

Also, you don't know what fascism is. Also you don't know what communism is.
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Bro you are incredibly uneducated and incredibly prejudiced. You can put me on ignore too. I haven’t attacked your ideology and will not. But you, time after time exposed yourself as a fascist. I know what i know, don’t worry about me. You got hung up on the word SHOULD. This is funny as i expressed countless times that i don’t condone violent methods and the true civilization could be achieved only voluntarily.

I suspect being victorious is more important to you than actually exchanging ideas. But you should know, true debate has no winners or losers. Its an exchange of ideas. We are exchanging ideas and i have been respectful to yours. I haven’t ridiculed, i haven’t insulted, i haven’t made assumptions.

I urge you to start reading about communism and anarchism as you make an ass of yourself when you ask how anarcho-communism works without knowing communism or anarchism. Sorry, even if these buddies of yours, likes your every post and cheer you on, or insult me for my every post, still that doesn’t negate the fact that you are making way too many assumptions about something you don’t know.

And again insult me for every post, it just shows how empty you really are. Not directed at you but i checked the ignored comments. Funny how big of a democrat you guys really are :)
 
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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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crimsonecho said:
Bro you are incredibly uneducated and incredibly prejudice. You can put me on ignore too. I haven’t attacked your ideology and will not. But you, time after time exposed yourself as a fascist. I know what i know, don’t worry about me. You got hung up on the word SHOULD. This is funny as i expressed countless that i don’t condone violent methods and the true civilization could be achieved only voluntarily.

I suspect being victorious is more important to you than actually exchanging ideas. But you should know, true debate has no winners or losers. Its an exchange of ideas. We are exchanging ideas and i have been respectful to yours. İ haven’t ridiculed, i haven’t insulted, i haven’t made assumptions.

I urge you to start reading about communism and anarchism as you make an ass of yourself when you ask how anarcho-communism works without knowing communism or anarchism. Sorry, even if these buddies of yours, likes your every post and cheer you on, or insult me for my every post, still that doesn’t negate the fact that you are making way too many assumptions about something you don’t know.

And again insult me for every post, it just shows how empty you really are. Not directed at you but i checked the ignored comments. Funny how big of a democrat you guys really are :)
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*prejudiced
 
Hydro4life

Hydro4life

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Rob Roy said:
I appreciate your respectful demeanor. I'll begin to answer your question below.

There are two ways to acquire funding money. The voluntary exchange way and the involuntary capture way.

An example of a voluntary exchange would be you offering to sell a bicycle for $50 on your front lawn and I drive by and decide I might need a bicycle in that price range. I stop and politely inquire about the bike. We haggle a bit, either one of us being free to walk away from the negotiation, but we settled on $45 and you got the money and I got the bicycle. Each of us benefitted, each of got what we wanted and neither of us was forced into the voluntary exchange. It was peaceful and there were no threats to either one of us, we came to mutual agreement.

An involuntary exchange would be one where at least one of the parties doesn't get to walk away from the "negotiation" since the terms aren't arrived at mutually, instead they are imposed by an edict / law and enforced with a government goon(s) with a gun.

Tax revenue will be needed to fund any "gun buyback". Who will pay that and will it be gotten thru voluntary or involuntary exchange ?
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I gotcha now rob roy lol. Only thing is, in New Zealand the police force are not allowed to carry guns. (They can carry pepper spray, tazers, battons) As far as i know they have a glock in the front of their police car in a locked box? And a couple of rifles in the boot with a couple of bullet proof vests. also in a locked box? Only under very strict circumstances can they touch these guns. But I see what your saying! When you think about it, it is rather involuntary isnt it. And I imagine more than likely that the people that sell their guns are paying taxes that will pay the government to buy their guns. Essentially their giving their guns away involuntarily? Interesting. Didnt think of it like that.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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UncleBuck said:
You’re just uneducated is all
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Hahha. You are still on ignore so i will not start something here but this is my second language and there is a third one. So yeah i’m pretty uneducated having graduated from 2 universities and speaking 3 languages.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Hydro4life said:
I gotcha now rob roy lol. Only thing is, in New Zealand the police force are not allowed to carry guns. (They can carry pepper spray, tazers, battons) As far as i know they have a glock in the front of their police car in a locked box? And a couple of rifles in the boot with a couple of bullet proof vests. also in a locked box? Only under very strict circumstances can they touch these guns. But I see what your saying! When you think about it, it is rather involuntary isnt it. And I imagine more than likely that the people that sell their guns are paying taxes that will pay the government to buy their guns. Essentially their giving their guns away involuntarily? Interesting. Didnt think of it like that.
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Hahahaha!
 
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