New Zealand to change gun laws

Will the US ever get serious about effective gun control?

  • Yes, the will of the majority of people demands it

    Votes: 8 25.8%
  • No, the NRA and the gun lobby will never allow it

    Votes: 23 74.2%

  • Total voters
    31

bundee1

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im free to have my options nothing wrong with it. spamming and acting like a 12yr old is a different thing
if my thoughts and options offend you will tough because your thoughts and option plus life decisions offend me
learn to deal with it in a better way then acting like a child
Get the fuck out of here. And why are you in the closet? Australian incels are the worst. I just read there is a man shortage. Either way you're the worst for not getting laid. Muh opinion. What a maroon.
 

crimsonecho

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could you explain your name here?
crimson echo?
i'm into how peeeps come up with there online persona
Its a combination of two different kinds of wave. One is sound other is light. I like the story of echo. From greek mythology. My world views are close to anarcho-communism, communism so there you get crimson. It needs to be red but crimson just sound better to me. So in some sense it represent the unending class strugles and ideals revolving around these strugles, echoing thru time.
 

Fogdog

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tell me about it. safeway "fresh" fish is at least a week old.

so what's your favorite tasting fish to take? wifey and i love black cod. especially smoked on a bagel with cream cheese
In Oregon, I usually take black rockfish and they are plentiful and good but they aren't my favorite because they are small, bony and spines that hurt like the devil when I get stuck by one. Lingcod is my favorite game fish to take. They are large and yield long boneless filets. Cabezon is the tastiest -- their diet is mainly crab and they kind of taste like crab but I don't take them because I think they are cute almost puppyish in behavior.

Black cod are a deep water fish and safe from me -- I free dive when spearfishing and my max depth is about 40 feet. In general, I'm dubious about commercial fishing practices and generally don't eat wild fish unless I caught it even if there is a green label next to them in this link: http://seafood.edf.org/guide/best

Albacore caught off the Pacific NW coast are caught by line and are well managed. I do buy that sometimes. Lingcod and Sablefish are on the "good" list. I do occasionally buy Lingcod fillets. After reviewing them on the seafood watch list, Sablefish/black cod have a good rating and I might give them a try. I've eaten black cod at a restaurant and liked it so, maybe I'll give it a try at home.

Fish farming is probably where we should look to for future fish supplies. Not farmed salmon, not until they clean up their industry. Farmed US steelhead have the highest rating from the Monterey aquarium for being eco-friendly and prices are pretty good. Tasty too. That's become my go-to when it's good quality. I'm thinking of trying farmed catfish but haven't yet.
 

scumrot derelict

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Its a combination of two different kinds of wave. One is sound other is light. I like the story of echo. From greek mythology. My world views are close to anarcho-communism, communism so there you get crimson. It needs to be red but crimson just sound better to me. So in some sense it represent the unending class strugles and ideals revolving around these strugles, echoing thru time.
Gay.
 

Novabudd

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Its a combination of two different kinds of wave. One is sound other is light. I like the story of echo. From greek mythology. My world views are close to anarcho-communism, communism so there you get crimson. It needs to be red but crimson just sound better to me. So in some sense it represent the unending class strugles and ideals revolving around these strugles, echoing thru time.
Sounds like something justine trudope would say.
 

bundee1

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Ok, this is a test.

What is the correlation between this song, and your absolutely inane statement?


I'll give you a couple of days, PM me when you figure it out :)
No need I remember it from history all the way to college.

A First Fleet of British ships arrived at Botany Bay in January 1788[2] to establish a penal colony, the first colony on the Australian mainland. In the century that followed, the British established other colonies on the continent, and European explorers ventured into its interior. Indigenous Australians were greatly weakened and their numbers diminished by introduced diseases and conflict with the colonists during this period.
 

Novabudd

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farming is probably where we should look to for future fish supplies. Not farmed salmon, not until they clean up their indus
Fish farming, at least here, is a total mess. But it created jobs and increased the tax base so government supports it. Again, its all about money. There's talk now of GMO salmon , using genes from Eel. Because eel matures so quickly "they" figure the salmon will be on market well before pen-raised fish.
 

Jimdamick

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No need I remember it from history all the way to college.

A First Fleet of British ships arrived at Botany Bay in January 1788[2] to establish a penal colony, the first colony on the Australian mainland. In the century that followed, the British established other colonies on the continent, and European explorers ventured into its interior. Indigenous Australians were greatly weakened and their numbers diminished by introduced diseases and conflict with the colonists during this period.
Good, then you understand there is no correlation
One thing, your statement, is unfattenable
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The other is also a crime against humanity, seeing as a great work of Art was abused.

I'm getting Drunk, does it show?

Time for the 9th.

 

Fogdog

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Well first of all, my personal morality is the only thing that could ever matter to me. Same with everyone. Secondly, what i’m saying is we have to choose. If we want to make gun violence a thing of the past then we need to ban every kind of gun violence. I believe its morally wrong to kill if you don’t need to survive. And we need to make a change with our way of thinking ourselves and our place in this world. Well anyway, thats my view.
No, not same with everyone. Morality cops are a plague on humanity, a canker sore on our society and responsible for the most heinous crimes people have ever committed.

People should be free from the imposition of your and my beliefs. If one can provide a rational reason why a firearm should be banned or taken away then I'm fine with that. The kind of incident in NZ that started this thread for example. There is no peaceful use of that kind of rifle. By all means, let's ban the sale of that kind of weapon. Hand guns have practically no other use than to kill people. I'm all for restricting them to the point where their sales to civilians are all but ended. The only question about those weapons is what to do about the ones already in private hands? Given how hard it would be to go get them, IMO let's leave that dog alone but require that they be registered so that we can track them to prevent them from being sold illegally. Anybody caught owning an unregistered gun would face stiff penalties. That sort of thing.

Good public policy is based upon facts, reason and pragmatism. Not fear or morality. Those policies suck.
 

crimsonecho

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No, not same with everyone. Morality cops are a plague on humanity, a canker sore on our society and responsible for the most heinous crimes people have ever committed.

People should be free from the imposition of your and my beliefs. If one can provide a rational reason why a firearm should be banned or taken away then I'm fine with that. The kind of incident in NZ that started this thread for example. There is no peaceful use of that kind of rifle. By all means, let's ban the sale of that kind of weapon. Hand guns have practically no other use than to kill people. I'm all for restricting them to the point where their sales to civilians are all but ended. The only question about those weapons is what to do about the ones already in private hands? Given how hard it would be to go get them, IMO let's leave that dog alone but require that they be registered so that we can track them to prevent them from being sold illegally. Anybody caught owning an unregistered gun would face stiff penalties. That sort of thing.

Good public policy is based upon facts, reason and pragmatism. Not fear or morality. Those policies suck.
Everything you say is your morality and your understanding of the world. As humans no one can be truly unbiased. Imposing your morality onto others is something else. But we need to change our ways, thats not about morality. You think hunting is not bad and i think it is. This is a difference in opinion. Maybe one day we may unite under the same ideals or find a middle ground. At this point i have no objection about banning rifles and guns for civilians but its just a starting point. The ultimate goal should be a fully disarmed world. Thats my opinion.
 

Fogdog

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Fish farming, at least here, is a total mess. But it created jobs and increased the tax base so government supports it. Again, its all about money. There's talk now of GMO salmon , using genes from Eel. Because eel matures so quickly "they" figure the salmon will be on market well before pen-raised fish.
Yep, farmed salmon is off my list and they need to clean that industry up. There is a problem with pollution from them, not to mention they spread disease into wild populations and dilute wild genetics when fish escape their pens. Wild salmon fisheries are well managed from what I've heard but I blanch at paying more than twenty bucks a pound for any protein. Fresh, well prepared copper river salmon really good though.

Farmed catfish in the US has a good reputation as well as farmed steelhead.

I have a pretty jaundiced view of the fishing industry. What goes on when those boats are at sea isn't always what they say it is. The crab fishery is OK and the albacore fishery in the PNW is OK but those are the only two that we can be certain are clean simply because their methods generate virtually no by-catch.
 

Fogdog

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Everything you say is your morality and your understanding of the world. As humans no one can be truly unbiased. Imposing your morality onto others is something else. But we need to change our ways, thats not about morality. You think hunting is not bad and i think it is. This is a difference in opinion. Maybe one day we may unite over the same ideals or find a middle ground. At this point i have no objection about banning rifles and guns for civilians but its just a starting point. The ultimate goal should be a fully disarmed world. Thats my opinion.
Morality has been a source of bad public policy ever since public policy and laws were first created. That is fact and not a belief.

In the US, religion or other beliefs are not adequate basis for public policy. For good reasons regulations need to be put in place in the US so that we can track legally held firearms and prevent them from being sold on the black market. There is no good reason to take guns away from hunters or ranchers. You haven't given one good reason whatsoever to justify that. If you don't like guns, don't buy one. I don't own one for that reason. Some people believe I should be forced to own one. They wrongly believe society would be safer if everybody did. There it is again, public policy/laws based upon false beliefs are bad public policy/

People forced US women to carry pregnancies to term at one time regardless of what woman wanted to do. There was no good reason for that, just religious belief. The Supreme Court struck it down too.
 
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