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[Roger A. Shrubber]

the investigation of our world, and the universe it is in, and our place in it, in as many meaningful ways as possible.
that's a pretty vague answer, but it was a pretty vague question.....i don't want to come off as an anti science ludite living in a barn.
i encourage and appreciate scientific investigation......i'd just like to see more responsibility used in how that information is applied.
we have rafts of plastic bigger than staten island floating in our oceans...that was a responsible use of information.....when will "the stand" become reality? when will our research learn to escape and replace us? when will our arrogance kill us all with the thoughtless flip of a switch?

 

[curious2garden]

the investigation of our world, and the universe it is in, and our place in it, in as many meaningful ways as possible.
that's a pretty vague answer, but it was a pretty vague question.....i don't want to come off as an anti science ludite living in a barn.
i encourage and appreciate scientific investigation......i'd just like to see more responsibility used in how that information is applied.
we have rafts of plastic bigger than staten island floating in our oceans...that was a responsible use of information.....when will "the stand" become reality? when will our research learn to escape and replace us? when will our arrogance kill us all with the thoughtless flip of a switch?

Thank you for responding, it helps clarify things.

 

[cannabineer]

the investigation of our world, and the universe it is in, and our place in it, in as many meaningful ways as possible.

No. Man's search for meaning has nothing to do with science and everything to do with religion. Thus "nonoverlapping magisteria".

that's a pretty vague answer, but it was a pretty vague question.....i don't want to come off as an anti science ludite living in a barn.

Asking you what science means is by no means a vague question. Defining science has always been a prime touchstone of all honest scientific inquiry. You have already succeeded in presenting an anti-science Luddite viewpoint when you blamed science for seriously unscientific issues.

i encourage and appreciate scientific investigation......i'd just like to see more responsibility used in how that information is applied.

How is this the duty, ambit, purview or even domain of scientific inquiry?

we have rafts of plastic bigger than staten island floating in our oceans...that was a responsible use of information.....when will "the stand" become reality? when will our research learn to escape and replace us? when will our arrogance kill us all with the thoughtless flip of a switch?

You appear to generally use "science" as the scapegoat for the failures of where engineering impinges upon sociopolitical matters. This is, in my opinion, a salient indicator of
a) scientific illiteracy, and
b) an anti-technical bias

but these sound all so much better when evil godless Science is to be held up for burning in effigy.

Or not-effigy if your name is Bruno.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

No. Man's search for meaning has nothing to do with science and everything to do with religion. Thus "nonoverlapping magisteria". Asking you what science means is by no means a vague question. Defining science has always been a prime touchstone of all honest scientific inquiry. You have already succeeded in presenting an anti-science Luddite viewpoint when you blamed science for seriously unscientific issues. How is this the duty, ambit, purview or even domain of scientific inquiry?

You appear to generally use "science" as the scapegoat for the failures of where engineering impinges upon sociopolitical matters. This is, in my opinion, a salient indicator of
a) scientific illiteracy, and
b) an anti-technical bias

but these sound all so much better when evil godless Science is to be held up for burning in effigy.

Or not-effigy if your name is Bruno.

i don't particularly give a fuck, honestly. people can't be trusted to behave in a rational, sane, responsible manner. you act like the search for truth is the most important thing....truth is irrelevant...we live in the conditions we live in...and we won't climb out of those conditions with raw knowledge. if you don't have the wisdom to apply that knowledge in a responsible way.
call me a ludite, call me worse, because i am worse....if you want honesty, i'll fucking give you honesty....i'd forcefully stop all nuclear research on this planet if i could, just jerk all the material the fuck out of these asshats hands and launch it all directly into the fucking sun.
we're barely out of the trees the lesser monkeys still ive in, and we have the fucking arrogance to think we know a fucking thing? that we're the master of fuck all? we're a bunch of monkeys with guns, bombs, chemicals, fissionable materials......and we can't stop flinging shit at each other.....
stop at least one fucking war....then tell me what a ludite i am.

 

[cannabineer]

i don't particularly give a fuck, honestly. people can't be trusted to behave in a rational, sane, responsible manner. you act like the search for truth is the most important thing....truth is irrelevant...we live in the conditions we live in...and we won't climb out of those conditions with raw knowledge. if you don't have the wisdom to apply that knowledge in a responsible way.
call me a ludite, call me worse, because i am worse....if you want honesty, i'll fucking give you honesty....i'd forcefully stop all nuclear research on this planet if i could, just jerk all the material the fuck out of these asshats hands and launch it all directly into the fucking sun.
we're barely out of the trees the lesser monkeys still ive in, and we have the fucking arrogance to think we know a fucking thing? that we're the master of fuck all? we're a bunch of monkeys with guns, bombs, chemicals, fissionable materials......and we can't stop flinging shit at each other.....
stop at least one fucking war....then tell me what a ludite i am.

Your moralistic opinions have nothing to do with science. I am surprised that you are resisting this simple fact. Your negative examples are all about engineering or sociopolitics and they have no bearing on science yes or science no.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

a salient indicator of
a) scientific illiteracy, and
b) an anti-technical bias

i'm not a scientist, and don't claim to be one. i do feel like i'm a little better informed than the average monkey, because i don't fill my head with a lot of bullshit like sports scores and tv schedules. i read news about science, and look into things that interest me. i don't claim that makes me an expert on anything. so i may be illiterate, but i feel like a functioning illiterate...
as far as the anti technology bias....as i sit in front of my computer, next to my smart tv, with my vehicle outside....using the internet, thinking about buying a second ssd for my computer....what would i have to do to not be anti tech biased? boof fucking microchips?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Your moralistic opinions have nothing to do with science. I am surprised that you are resisting this simple fact. Your negative examples are all about engineering or sociopolitics and they have no bearing on science yes or science no.

ok...you're right....science is a thing....unto itself...
people and their inability to use the information they obtain from science in a responsible manner is an entirely different subject.
there is no room for morality in the search for information.
there is an ENORMOUS....UNUSED amount of room for morality in the implementation of that information, and that is something we've been ignoring, and it's going to cost us all, dearly.
better?

 

[cannabineer]

ok...you're right....science is a thing....unto itself...
people and their inability to use the information the obtain from science in a responsible manner is an entirely different subject.
there is no room for morality in the search for information.
there is an ENORMOUS....UNUSED amount of room for morality in the implementation of that information, and that is something we've been ignoring, and it's going to cost us all, dearly.
better?

Precisely. You blamed science unfairly for what amounts to politics.

Science is about gaining information, not implementing it. That is at best engineering and at worst Auschwitz.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Precisely. You blamed science unfairly for what amounts to politics.

Science is about gaining information, not implementing it. That is at best engineering and at worst Auschwitz.

honestly, that whole argument was about semantics...we both still hold exactly the same opinions now as we did two hours ago....

 

[tangerinegreen555]

I love the B-24's nice aircrafts, during the rebel air show down here there is one, he'll actually take u up in it for a fee....awesome ride....i've always loved the B-17's and the B-25's.......

B-25
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B-17
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My mother rigged B-17s during WWII at the Douglas plant in Long Beach, CA.

@GreatwhiteNorth up here they are testing the retooling of the engine nacelle to carry the TF-33 engine. The old BUFF continues to flap it's wings for freedom.

My dad always said this was THE most impressive and beautiful aircraft he saw in WWII. He always felt safer when he heard the unmistakable roar.

He bought me 3 different models of P-38's to build when I was a kid and confiscated the best ones for his desk. Lol.

 

[cannabineer]

honestly, that whole argument was about semantics...we both still hold exactly the same opinions now as we did two hours ago....

Semantics is central to the definition of terms. There is no way to argue any point of substance without a concurrence on terminology. Thank you for your concession.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Semantics is central to the definition of terms. There is no way to argue any point of substance without a concurrence on terminology. Thank you for your concession.

thank you for gracefully accepting that concession, and not being a douchebag about it......

 

[cannabineer]

thank you for gracefully accepting that concession, and not being a douchebag about it......

I accept your graciousness in precisely the spirit it was offered.

 

[Singlemalt]

My mother rigged B-17s during WWII at the Douglas plant in Long Beach, CA.

@GreatwhiteNorth up here they are testing the retooling of the engine nacelle to carry the TF-33 engine. The old BUFF continues to flap it's wings for freedom.

My Dad flew 17's and occasionally 24's, 5th AF in the Pacific.

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My dad always said this was THE most impressive and beautiful aircraft he saw in WWII. He always felt safer when he heard the unmistakable roar.

He bought me 3 different models of P-38's to build when I was a kid and confiscated the best ones for his desk. Lol.

The 38s got Admiral Marshall Yamamoto over Bougainville

 

[tangerinegreen555]

My Dad flew 17's and occasionally 24's, 5th AF in the Pacific.

Gen. Savage?

 

[cannabineer]

~snip~

The 38s got Admiral Marshall Yamamoto over Bougainville

Did they use science?

 

[Singlemalt]

Gen. Savage?
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LOL, different theater

 

[curious2garden]

LOL, different theater

 

[Singlemalt]

 

[curious2garden]

It was so well done. I loved the Airplane franchise.