Singlemalt
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Indeed, it was Beautiful
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BarnBuster
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Nice account of VENGEANCE, the op to shoot Yamamoto down.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/killing-yamamoto-operation-vengeance-from-roger-ames-cockpit/
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm retracting my "apology"....which wasn't sincere to begin with....you can say all day that there are no morals or ethics to science, but you're fucking wrong, and always will be for one simple fact.
human beings are the ones "performing" science. human beings always have a motive for doing anything....and once you have a motive, morals and ethics are involved. science isn't the pure search for knowledge and never has been, it's a by product of human beings trying to improve their lot in life. it's only the last few generations of humans that have had any time to devote to "pure research"....and i'm very skeptical of the "purity" .....how many of them can afford to pursue that research without involving outside funding? and outside funding comes with stipulations....
so take the high road, worship "science" .....but your goddess is a whore, who sells out almost constantly....
human beings are the ones "performing" science. human beings always have a motive for doing anything....and once you have a motive, morals and ethics are involved. science isn't the pure search for knowledge and never has been, it's a by product of human beings trying to improve their lot in life. it's only the last few generations of humans that have had any time to devote to "pure research"....and i'm very skeptical of the "purity" .....how many of them can afford to pursue that research without involving outside funding? and outside funding comes with stipulations....
so take the high road, worship "science" .....but your goddess is a whore, who sells out almost constantly....
tangerinegreen555
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Roger A. Shrubber
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science IS neutral. it is neither good nor bad. empirical data is neither good nor bad....it is merely observed facts. they can be neither evil nor noble....
the second a human being uses that data, it ceases to be empirical, and does become subject to the morals and ethics of those using it. the uses can be either noble, or shameful....or as most are, somewhere in the gray area in between.....
so yes, i get it, knowledge is neutral.....but the second that knowledge is shared, it can be used to help, or to harm....which isn't a function of science, but of human nature
so while science is above good or evil, the people who use it are not.....
the second a human being uses that data, it ceases to be empirical, and does become subject to the morals and ethics of those using it. the uses can be either noble, or shameful....or as most are, somewhere in the gray area in between.....
so yes, i get it, knowledge is neutral.....but the second that knowledge is shared, it can be used to help, or to harm....which isn't a function of science, but of human nature
so while science is above good or evil, the people who use it are not.....
tangerinegreen555
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macsnax
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That's super cool.
Roger A. Shrubber
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is that a mammoth skull?
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Roger A. Shrubber
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They need to do the science on it first
cannabineer
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I am glad to see that you recognize what your argument has become.
Roger A. Shrubber
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it's not an argument, i quit arguing....you see it your way, and i see it mine, and the two will obviously never meet...I am glad to see that you recognize what your argument has become.
cannabineer
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The difference is that yours is wrong. Even Bill Nye told you that in the video you posted.