Greenpoint seeds!!

[growslut]

And you sound like a ridiculous GPS shill. You show up to the thread saying you’ve grown about a dozen GPS strains within a few months...and all of them...favorites. Someone asks about a different strain, that one’s also favorite. You ask your girlfriend what she wants Gu to know...and she sticks out her pussy!?!? What?!

You also live near me, and claim that GPS is better than anything you could buy in the dispensaries nearby. Dude, the original clones grown by the growers that made them famous are readily available in SoCal. Cap’s personal stuff selected by him and grown with his input is sold in LA. CaliKushFarms that has a personal relationship with Karma has shops in LA. The stuff Gu is knocking off can be bought at a dozen places probably within a few miles of your door.

You seem to know a lot about the cannabis community and I appreciate when I learn from your posts, @jayblaze710. But like I said earlier, I don't understand your venom directed at Greenpoint or Gu~. I get it that you would like to see more information, and that's valid.

As for LA, what dispensaries are carrying the level of clones of the same quality of most GPS strains? If you know a spot in the greater LA area, I'd love to hear it. I used to search far and wide for the best weed at the best deal. I'm happier growing my own than anything I found in the dispensary.

And I haven't grown a dozen GPS strains, its closer to 3 dozen. I guess I get why you think I say all are my favorites because that's when I usually jump in and say when I liked something. And a few of my favorites are lesser known strains like Boomtown and Maverick. But not every GPS strain has been a favorite. I bought Raindance with high hopes, and I know it gets a lot of love on here. And I don't feel that its my duty to say how my plants were underwhelming. There are a few other strains that I feel this way. But after growing the 3 dozen GPS strains I went through and sorted into 3 categories--(1) can't wait to run again (2)want to run again (3)unlikely to run again. The first category was twice as big as the 2nd. And I think there were only 6 GPS strains in category (3) that I am not excited to run again.

I just focus on the stuff I like, and its no secret that I like GPS. And it still makes my girlfriend stick out her pussy~

 

[AmericanGrower508]

holy shite what the hell is going on in here.
Since when do breeders show their moms and grows. Some1 please go get a link to a topdog mom and grow thread. All I see is breeders reposting other peoples plants on IG, maybe its me.

Heisen.. I know you know your shit about growing but I think your problem with the stallions may have been to strong of light, causing plant not to stretch and stressing them. Just a thought since you just built those crazy lights.

 

[jayblaze710]

Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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How do "breeders" decide what to cross when creating new strains?
Do they just chuck anything they can get their hands on and see if it sticks?

I roll a LOT of joints, but rarely use only one strain. Blending different strains provides a ton of variety and the combinations are usually better than the stand-alone version.

But not all combinations are great.

It's kinda like cooking with sweet & savory. The balance is what makes it good.

If I was a breeder, I'd sample lots of blends to see what pairs well before actually committing.


See, told you I was clueless...

In my opinion, true breeding boils down to selection. The best breeders pop a lot of seeds, select the best parents and try to create something where both parents enhance each other and create something new or better.

This is why Bodhi is so well respected. He’s one of the only breeders that has found multiple males that continually produce great offspring.

Karma is another one. He works lines for multiple generations and has a stellar reputation for choosing his breeding parents.

While Seed Junky gets a lot of flack for the herms, nobody can deny his success in continually producing new and amazing crosses that people want. He’s working his Wedding Cake line multiple generations at this point. He has multiple backcrosses and incrosses.

This is why I have such an issue with people calling Gu a breeder. Because breeding is all about selection and intention. I don’t see any here.

 

[jayblaze710]

holy shite what the hell is going on in here.
Since when do breeders show their moms and grows. Some1 please go get a link to a topdog mom and grow thread. All I see is breeders reposting other peoples plants on IG, maybe its me.

Heisen.. I know you know your shit about growing but I think your problem with the stallions may have been to strong of light, causing plant not to stretch and stressing them. Just a thought since you just built those crazy lights.

Archive, Karma, SJG, Bodhi, Compound, Exotic, Cannarado, In House...

Just because Topdawg doesn’t, doesn’t mean nobody does. Almost everyone does.

And nobody is ever questioning Topdawg’s genetics because he’s been working with Chem longer than almost anybody.

 

[hillbill]

So Greenpoint isn’t all it could be to each and all. Some criticisms are absolutely valid. I also tend to like a simple momin the mix and have several like that. Most of us , I think, are aware of potential issues. Most of the Gu Gear I have done are wonderfully potent and some strains are very different from each other. Better than most.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Dude what? How does a plant have over two parents? Did someone start making the first genetically engineered seeds?

If you’re saying you won’t buy any strain that has multiple lineages in it....well, good luck buying anything. I guess you’re hunting down those old BOEL landrace seeds, huh?

So you won’t buy Wedding Cake seeds, but you will buy Wedding Cake x Stardawg seeds, cuz somehow that will stabilize things???

And the irony is that you’re supporting GPS, which is literally the definition of a cash grab. Gu does zero selection on his own. He was given the Stardawg male. He crosses it to whatever elite clone he can get his hands on. There’s no thought or intention behind his “breeding” other than, “is this female popular? Then throw her in too”. Then he sells as many of his untested seeds as he possibly can. Gu’s goal is profit. Not to make cannabis better, not to produce something specific and new.

And you all are happy with it because it means cheap seeds. Let’s stop pretending like things aren’t what they are. GPS is concerned about minimizing costs and maximizing profit, and everyone here is a fan because it means $30 packs for them.

Are you not seeing the contradictions here?

Do you think the RIU posts about fire GPS plants (including pics) are fake?

Or do you think people are afraid to make bad reports? (definitely possible)

I'm serious.

I see fire coming from $30 packs of seeds, which doesn't seem like a bad thing.

But as I've stated before, running untested beans makes me nervous.

Hell, I even said I wouldn't pay anything for testers -- then went and bought 2 packs of cake n chem @ $27...

 

[whytewidow]

Same, except I'm burnin some Sour Corey mixed w/ Apollo 11
This threads a trip, huh?
I'm happy with what I've gotten from GP too
I have 2 killer cuts of Star Dawg I found in a pack of SD1X and another pack to dig through and I'll still run the GP packs I have right beside everything else.
Like the majority of gardeners here, I like variety and I like to hunt.

And yeah. I heard. Mz Jill is slinging packs.
Shes using a Brian Berry Cough? I haven't seen anything that interest me so far but I would grab a pack of Plushberry if one popped up in auction.

Its still a little early but as far as those Sundae Stallions go....

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Im gonna finish em and smoke em

Best ones I've seen so far. Lookn good. Nice n frosty. Hows the nose on her

 

[AmericanGrower508]

Ok I don't know anything about Sundae driver growth but I did find 1 grow journal by a lumberjack bud he is growing SD #9 and its super compact. Heisen you may have just chopped Sundae driver dominate ladies. heres a link to his grow at 40 days of veg.
https://growdiaries.com/diaries/13780-sundae-driver-9-future-mother

 

[boybelue]

I had two show this trait early I tossed them both, neither was looking healthy...

The 2 pounder strain from kiwi seeds does this , sometimes the main will get almost flat and wide and the branches will stay small and are sporadically located , just weird.

 

[Rivendell]

always wondered why this wasn't the flagship strain?

I have a pack I may get into this winter, I was hoping some one had already taken the plunge and might have some thoughts on it. Lots of choices in the vault.

 

[whytewidow]

Archive, Karma, SJG, Bodhi, Compound, Exotic, Cannarado, In House...

Just because Topdawg doesn’t, doesn’t mean nobody does. Almost everyone does.

And nobody is ever questioning Topdawg’s genetics because he’s been working with Chem longer than almost anybody.

All but bodhi and karma on this list are pollen chuckers. Although sjb is working his lines now I believe. But they are Not breeders. In house jus had a blow up with herms/males in fem packs. In house doesnt really test. I know this bc I test for him. Although i wouldn't call it that. Bc even if the testers come up shit he still releases them. Cannarado has had several shit shows of fuck ups in the last 6 months. Hes a chucker. He doesnt select from 100s of plants. Anyone who releases more than 10 strains a year is not a breeder. They cant be. It's impossible. To release that many stable strains unless you use the same exact parents that are super stable jus different phenos of each. In which they do not do. Compound releases every month it seems like. You can not work lines that fast idc. I know how long it takes to turn around. And once s month isnt it. Exotic also a chucker. Look at his Tina line. None of tested. All released for 100s of dollars. And the shit herms. Again not a breeder. Chucker. Just my opinion.

 

[AmericanGrower508]

Archive, Karma, SJG, Bodhi, Compound, Exotic, Cannarado, In House...

Just because Topdawg doesn’t, doesn’t mean nobody does. Almost everyone does.

And nobody is ever questioning Topdawg’s genetics because he’s been working with Chem longer than almost anybody.

Well I agree with you on some of those. Archive,Exotic,Karma and Bodhi are all outstanding.

But please don't put Compound in the same sentence as them. Tiger is a fokking thieve he stole my boy Inkognyto male Chem d x Sour D ibl porned him to anything he could get his hands on and used that money to build a website and seed co.

 

[AmericanGrower508]

any way back to GU non testers since he doesn't test..

Cowboy cookies day 20

 

[Heisengrow]

Archive, Karma, SJG, Bodhi, Compound, Exotic, Cannarado, In House...

Just because Topdawg doesn’t, doesn’t mean nobody does. Almost everyone does.

And nobody is ever questioning Topdawg’s genetics because he’s been working with Chem longer than almost anybody.

You basically answered every comment the same way i was thinking,Especially archive,That dude is steady posting pics of his new moms and pics of the plants that are being crossed.
I completely agree a seed "breeder" should have a way to test what they are growing.Everyone who buys greenpoint is a glorified tester paying for the seeds.Ive finally just gotten fed up with it after this last run because i have been after sundae driver for a minute.I know 1 guy with it and he wont come off it.Dude asking me why if i have cuts would i be running them is because i was in hopes to find something close or similar,But after gu dropped the ball about getting his clones from kind love that was it for me.Its bullshit he is name dropping these cuts with no pictures of the moms he is even using.I took his word that he was using true elite cuts but i guess that is BS also.
Jbeezy been doing the big pheno hunts for a while.He was on the farm for a while using rockwool and green caps testing out hundreds of plants on tables.I have respect for the way he does it and have read every post he made on that forum.
Its a fact that some strains just wont produce good offspring.This should be Gu's job to throw that shit in the trash and go back to square 1.Not keep selling the seeds like that tired ass hickock haze that been discontinued.Its not discontinued.Dollars to donuts he still has that ghost train cut sitting in a room with stardawg and and a leaf blower on High.
This is the Sundae cut i was after and the only reason i wanted them testers.Would Love to see the sundae driver Gu is using.I would bet my eyebrows he wont post a pic of wedding crasher,or any of the new moms he is using to make these seeds.

 

[whytewidow]

You basically answered every comment the same way i was thinking,Especially archive,That dude is steady posting pics of his new moms and pics of the plants that are being crossed.
I completely agree a seed "breeder" should have a way to test what they are growing.Everyone who buys greenpoint is a glorified tester paying for the seeds.Ive finally just gotten fed up with it after this last run because i have been after sundae driver for a minute.I know 1 guy with it and he wont come off it.Dude asking me why if i have cuts would i be running them is because i was in hopes to find something close or similar,But after gu dropped the ball about getting his clones from kind love that was it for me.Its bullshit he is name dropping these cuts with no pictures of the moms he is even using.I took his word that he was using true elite cuts but i guess that is BS also.
Jbeezy been doing the big pheno hunts for a while.He was on the farm for a while using rockwool and green caps testing out hundreds of plants on tables.I have respect for the way he does it and have read every post he made on that forum.
Its a fact that some strains just wont produce good offspring.This should be Gu's job to throw that shit in the trash and go back to square 1.Not keep selling the seeds like that tired ass hickock haze that been discontinued.Its not discontinued.Dollars to donuts he still has that ghost train cut sitting in a room with stardawg and and a leaf blower on High.
This is the Sundae cut i was after and the only reason i wanted them testers.Would Love to see the sundae driver Gu is using.I would bet my eyebrows he wont post a pic of wedding crasher,or any of the new moms he is using to make these seeds.
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That's not #6 I dont believe. It doesnt look like it. #6 has the best flavor and higher thc count. Has double serrations. And turns colors on the bottom of the fans and throw only 9 blade fans. No more. That cut looks very nice tho.

 

[Heisengrow]

That's not #6 I dont believe. It doesnt look like it. #6 has the best flavor and higher thc count. Has double serrations. And turns colors on the bottom of the fans and throw only 9 blade fans. No more. That cut looks very nice tho.

I think he told me it was 4,I have to go back back and look at my messages.hes hard to get a hold of but he wouldnt come off it.I saw a cut yesterday that looks straight up amazing.Check out lemonmeringuecake.Nukin futs the colors and density on it.I highly doubt that cut will be floating around any time soon.

 

[whytewidow]

I think he told me it was 4,I have to go back back and look at my messages.hes hard to get a hold of but he wouldnt come off it.I saw a cut yesterday that looks straight up amazing.Check out lemonmeringuecake.Nukin futs the colors and density on it.I highly doubt that cut will be floating around any time soon.

I seen it. #4 is jus as good. I've smoked both. #4 jus doesnt have the colorful bag appeal like 6 does.

 

[Chunky Stool]

You basically answered every comment the same way i was thinking,Especially archive,That dude is steady posting pics of his new moms and pics of the plants that are being crossed.
I completely agree a seed "breeder" should have a way to test what they are growing.Everyone who buys greenpoint is a glorified tester paying for the seeds.Ive finally just gotten fed up with it after this last run because i have been after sundae driver for a minute.I know 1 guy with it and he wont come off it.Dude asking me why if i have cuts would i be running them is because i was in hopes to find something close or similar,But after gu dropped the ball about getting his clones from kind love that was it for me.Its bullshit he is name dropping these cuts with no pictures of the moms he is even using.I took his word that he was using true elite cuts but i guess that is BS also.
Jbeezy been doing the big pheno hunts for a while.He was on the farm for a while using rockwool and green caps testing out hundreds of plants on tables.I have respect for the way he does it and have read every post he made on that forum.
Its a fact that some strains just wont produce good offspring.This should be Gu's job to throw that shit in the trash and go back to square 1.Not keep selling the seeds like that tired ass hickock haze that been discontinued.Its not discontinued.Dollars to donuts he still has that ghost train cut sitting in a room with stardawg and and a leaf blower on High.
This is the Sundae cut i was after and the only reason i wanted them testers.Would Love to see the sundae driver Gu is using.I would bet my eyebrows he wont post a pic of wedding crasher,or any of the new moms he is using to make these seeds.
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If you had actually finished that crop, you'd have more information to work with.

Not saying you are wrong either.
Based on your business objectives, it actually makes perfect sense to cut your risk in order to avoid an "unknown state".

Buuuuut... you've gotta admit it's also possible that you chopped plants that could have turned out fine.

How many people have complained about "duck foot" leaves and other weird growth in cookie crosses but still ended up with a great finished product?

 

[Heisengrow]

If you had actually finished that crop, you'd have more information to work with.

Not saying you are wrong either.
Based on your business objectives, it actually makes perfect sense to cut your risk in order to avoid an "unknown state".

Buuuuut... you've gotta admit it's also possible that you chopped plants that could have turned out fine.

How many people have complained about "duck foot" leaves and other weird growth in cookie crosses but still ended up with a great finished product?

I look for plants that check ALL the boxes not just 1.Plant needs to veg decent,have good structure,low leaf to calyx ratio.All that stuff adds up as well as potency,bag appeal etc.
If a plant takes a month in RDWC to get a foot tall i have no time for it dont care how good it is.Alot of breeders will select plants based on vigor also.Ive been an artist for 20 years i have a pretty good eye for detail and seeing how things work.None of them plants were worth shit.Ive been down this road in the past and regretted wasting so much time on them.I do have a few snake oils and the lucky7s still on a flood table doing single node flips,Mostly boys so far but ill prob let them finish,Not gonna run anymore GP and thats that.This is what im talking about,WIFI43 after a 3 week veg no joke.Plant was a monster,very strong,good producer.

 

[noob246]

welp, back to square 1 thought I found where my seeds were coming from changed my mind.