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whytewidow

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Why are the side branching on the sundae stallion unwanted and considered a mutant trait? @Heisenbubble @whytewidow I'm not following or grasping the reason.
I wasnt meaning its unwanted. But they threw alot of mutant branches. Extra branches. That usually dont fully develope, not always. But alot of the times. Cause light blocking. Rob energy from other areas. I very very seldom flower a mutant. Some grow out of it. Some dont. The one heisen posted a pic of was mutant like crazy. Super close nodes with extra branches. Extra leaves, goofy structure. I would've chopped them too. Especially knowing the cross isnt the sundae driver #6 keeper pheno. Unless he got it straight from cannarado. Which I doubt he did.
 

Tangerine_

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Aren't you a big fan of Hickok Haze?



I grabbed half a joint of Cookies n Chem from last night, and sat down to read 4 pages of the GPS thread. It's almost two hours later, and I'm reading proficient. I like the GPS seeds I've finished, and dang sure liked the prices I paid. That's all I got. Oh.....except didja hear that Mz Jill is selling seeds ? ;)
Same, except I'm burnin some Sour Corey mixed w/ Apollo 11 :eyesmoke:
This threads a trip, huh?
I'm happy with what I've gotten from GP too
I have 2 killer cuts of Star Dawg I found in a pack of Top Dawgs SD IX and another pack to dig through and I'll still run the GP packs I have right beside everything else.
Like the majority of gardeners here, I like variety and I like to hunt.

And yeah. I heard. Mz Jill is slinging packs. :rolleyes:
Shes using a Brian Berry Cough? I haven't seen anything that interest me so far but I would grab a pack of Plushberry if one popped up in auction.

Its still a little early but as far as those Sundae Stallions go....

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Im gonna finish em and smoke embongsmilie
 
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Tangerine_

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I wasnt meaning its unwanted. But they threw alot of mutant branches. Extra branches. That usually dont fully develope, not always. But alot of the times. Cause light blocking. Rob energy from other areas. I very very seldom flower a mutant. Some grow out of it. Some dont. The one heisen posted a pic of was mutant like crazy. Super close nodes with extra branches. Extra leaves, goofy structure. I would've chopped them too. Especially knowing the cross isnt the sundae driver #6 keeper pheno. Unless he got it straight from cannarado. Which I doubt he did.
I thought it was a Pebble Pusher he'd posted that had those tight nodes and crazy branching.
The Sundae Stallions are doing this as well?
 
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Lurpin

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I wasnt meaning its unwanted. But they threw alot of mutant branches. Extra branches. That usually dont fully develope, not always. But alot of the times. Cause light blocking. Rob energy from other areas. I very very seldom flower a mutant. Some grow out of it. Some dont. The one heisen posted a pic of was mutant like crazy. Super close nodes with extra branches. Extra leaves, goofy structure. I would've chopped them too. Especially knowing the cross isnt the sundae driver #6 keeper pheno. Unless he got it straight from cannarado. Which I doubt he did.
Makes sense. Thank you for the explanation.
 

Chunky Stool

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I was going to run cake n chem with hibernate in the next rotation, but I'm having second thoughts about the CnC and might run OBS instead.
As far as height & flower time go, cake n chem is probably more compatible with hibernate -- but it's untested.

I've got a bad case of analysis paralysis... :?
 

Lurpin

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I was going to run cake n chem with hibernate in the next rotation, but I'm having second thoughts about the CnC and might run OBS instead.
As far as height & flower time go, cake n chem is probably more compatible with hibernate -- but it's untested.

I've got a bad case of analysis paralysis... :?
I don't have either, but I want the OBS. That's what I would run.
 

Cptn

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Heisen. Your intentions are obviously destructive. trying to tear somebody down, not help Gu or others in the community.
It's clear Gu thinks you plan to start selling seeds yourself. What better way to launch a new business than to take a swipe at competition with a large customer base in their own backyard as you prepare to offer something you will say is "better".
Whatever, your credibility working for logic is 0%. Defend it how you want. the website you Mod on is filled with ads for the seed store, where customers and breeders get ripped off regularly. Customers who attempt to air their grievances with these shady deals have their posts deleted and get banned . . . by Mods. Like you. Great guys one and all, just following orders I'm sure. Not their fault.

You compare the GPS IG account to IG accounts of other breeders. How many of the sites you showed as examples run their own seedbank?
Compare the GPS IG account to other seedbanks and you may notice a lot more in common.
Do you think Shantibaba from MNS is a "real breeder"?
When was the last time Shanti or one of his minions posted pics of Shanti's test grows or parent plants (not counting US operations or CBD lines)?
Shanti has always said he wants to see what the customers do with his lines when asked to show pics of his selections, test runs or breeding stock.

Gu combines a well known, proven male with well known cuts that people outside limited circles/areas cannot get.
Stardawg is an IBL, Tres dawg was already stabilized version of Chem D, outcrossed to the sibling, Chem 4. Later releases from TopDawg are even more inbred.
The line is used by almost every big breeder in some way because it is so consistent in delivering positive traits to a cross.
There is no better way to test the genetics of a male than to run it against multiple different females and see what comes out.
At this point, then, the genetic contribution that he controls is documented and predictable.
The females he crosses it with though are another issue, and he is limited in options there are customers want the stardawg male crossed with specific cuts. Not some random selection from Grower X.
These "hot cut of the day" lines are usually polyhybrids whose reputation is based on a single cutting, usually because they have such a varied pedigree that they are nowhere near stable. F1s from cuts like this are likely to be highly variable on the mothers side. The typical GPS customer does not understand pheno spread ratios from F1s, or even what the range of phenos the mother cuts would throw look like if they were selfed or taken to F2 with a sibling male.
GPS OG x Stardawg crosses should be some of the more predictable lines, but GPS customer consistently get frustrated when the extreme OG females like TK or ghost throw phenos that display common OG traits like popcorn buds and viney branches. Then these same growers complain about lines having too much stardawg in them.
Ridiculous and impossible to please. This thread is filled with complaints that come from this ignorance.
I'd like to assume that you know better as a mod on a big cannabis ripoff site, but as you stated yourself we don't know you, man.
You claim to have a veg room filled with every elite cut the people of this site dream about, yet you fill your recirculating system with GPS seed plants.
Yeah, you are a hard one to figure out H.

why does the stem get like this for? had it happen to one of mine or what is it called when this happens?
The flattened stem shown in your picture is called Fasciation. It is a fairly uncommon mutation, but does occur on occasion.
I have seen it on cookie crosses in the past, as well as skunk.
If bighorn is saying he sees it on every GPS strain, I'd ask followup questions on which specific strain before making a guess on where it comes from.
 

NoWaistedSpace

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Same, except I'm burnin some Sour Corey mixed w/ Apollo 11 :eyesmoke:
This threads a trip, huh?
I'm happy with what I've gotten from GP too
I have 2 killer cuts of Star Dawg I found in a pack of SD1X and another pack to dig through and I'll still run the GP packs I have right beside everything else.
Like the majority of gardeners here, I like variety and I like to hunt.

And yeah. I heard. Mz Jill is slinging packs. :rolleyes:
Shes using a Brian Berry Cough? I haven't seen anything that interest me so far but I would grab a pack of Plushberry if one popped up in auction.

Its still a little early but as far as those Sundae Stallions go....

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Im gonna finish em and smoke embongsmilie
Ha! I just changed my avatar to my pure plushberry from an earlier season. Sweet grapes.
This season has not produced RIU worthy yet.
 

growslut

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Actually i do smoke just not all the time,Ive smoked twice this week but not like alot of others do.Im very casual smoker for sure,I have fucked up to many things in my grow area while being high so i just dont do it.Mis labeled cuts,threw away clones that were the wrong ones etc.I have way to many things going on with business and stuff to be high.Im one of them types that cant function while being stoned.Some people can but i cant.The purple punch i just finished up is actually super mellow stone.I tried that the other day before i went to bed.Was hard to tell i was even stoned.It was really more of a good feeling kind of high.I liked it.So yeah i do smoke but maybe once or twice a month or maybe more to try a different one i haven't tried,
My intention wasn't to bash Gu,I just personally think his business has geared to the more profitable side of things instead of actually making sure everything he puts out is stellar.When you get enough ballswingers saying there weed is top notch and they love it,I think it went to his head.He was prob like yeah that shit sucks but everyone loves it so ill just take these dispensary clones with whatever bubbfuk name they wanna give it and pair it up with stardawg.
@Gu~ please post a picture of wedding crasher mom or even the tomahawk mom seeded up so we can put this to bed.Can you please explain why none of the tomohawk crosses ive seen look remotely like GG4?One guy said every Tomahawk he grew sucked a fat ballsack.
cant remember who it was but it was here.Anyway i just mailed out the rest of those packs as promised.Hopefully things will change and Gu will start posting some fire breeder pics.
I can get down with this post. You raise some valid questions. And count me in as another who would like to see pics of Greenpoint's plants

Keep smoking more weed, bro :blsmoke:
 

Chunky Stool

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Ha! I just changed my avatar to my pure plushberry from an earlier season. Sweet grapes.
This season has not produced RIU worthy yet.
Plushberry is still one of my all time favorites.
Not sure why.
It's not super high in THC but the flavor and effect were spot on.

Almost cried when I lost that cut -- from pure stupidity and laziness. :wall:
 
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blowincherrypie

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Heisen. Your intentions are obviously destructive. trying to tear somebody down, not help Gu or others in the community.
It's clear Gu thinks you plan to start selling seeds yourself. What better way to launch a new business than to take a swipe at competition with a large customer base in their own backyard as you prepare to offer something you will say is "better".
Whatever, your credibility working for logic is 0%. Defend it how you want. the website you Mod on is filled with ads for the seed store, where customers and breeders get ripped off regularly. Customers who attempt to air their grievances with these shady deals have their posts deleted and get banned . . . by Mods. Like you. Great guys one and all, just following orders I'm sure. Not their fault.

You compare the GPS IG account to IG accounts of other breeders. How many of the sites you showed as examples run their own seedbank?
Compare the GPS IG account to other seedbanks and you may notice a lot more in common.
Do you think Shantibaba from MNS is a "real breeder"?
When was the last time Shanti or one of his minions posted pics of Shanti's test grows or parent plants (not counting US operations or CBD lines)?
Shanti has always said he wants to see what the customers do with his lines when asked to show pics of his selections, test runs or breeding stock.

Gu combines a well known, proven male with well known cuts that people outside limited circles/areas cannot get.
Stardawg is an IBL, Tres dawg was already stabilized version of Chem D, outcrossed to the sibling, Chem 4. Later releases from TopDawg are even more inbred.
The line is used by almost every big breeder in some way because it is so consistent in delivering positive traits to a cross.
There is no better way to test the genetics of a male than to run it against multiple different females and see what comes out.
At this point, then, the genetic contribution that he controls is documented and predictable.
The females he crosses it with though are another issue, and he is limited in options there are customers want the stardawg male crossed with specific cuts. Not some random selection from Grower X.
These "hot cut of the day" lines are usually polyhybrids whose reputation is based on a single cutting, usually because they have such a varied pedigree that they are nowhere near stable. F1s from cuts like this are likely to be highly variable on the mothers side. The typical GPS customer does not understand pheno spread ratios from F1s, or even what the range of phenos the mother cuts would throw look like if they were selfed or taken to F2 with a sibling male.
GPS OG x Stardawg crosses should be some of the more predictable lines, but GPS customer consistently get frustrated when the extreme OG females like TK or ghost throw phenos that display common OG traits like popcorn buds and viney branches. Then these same growers complain about lines having too much stardawg in them.
Ridiculous and impossible to please. This thread is filled with complaints that come from this ignorance.
I'd like to assume that you know better as a mod on a big cannabis ripoff site, but as you stated yourself we don't know you, man.
You claim to have a veg room filled with every elite cut the people of this site dream about, yet you fill your recirculating system with GPS seed plants.
Yeah, you are a hard one to figure out H.


The flattened stem shown in your picture is called Fasciation. It is a fairly uncommon mutation, but does occur on occasion.
I have seen it on cookie crosses in the past, as well as skunk.
If bighorn is saying he sees it on every GPS strain, I'd ask followup questions on which specific strain before making a guess on where it comes from.
ffs.. the thread was just getting back on track!! :wall:
 

silverhazefiend

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Great post cpt

I feel like the part that talks about the plants and the moms showing diff things is spot on ..

Personally i like smoking new flavors but don't buy seeds of them because there super poly hybrids and growing them would be a crapshoot .. if the mom has over 2 or 3 parents i skip it

Think about it like this u might grow them and wanna make ya own crosses now its still a f1 but genetically it has over 6 to 8 parents what do u expect to get ? Also what are u tryna improve? Breeding should have goals and 95% of people doing this have no real goal just profits
 

Sebud

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Holy shat.... what a crazy read. Like steppin back in time. No real dog in the fight but it's funny to see the same fuckin' dogfight going on for decades now....

Bottom line here....when you >aren't< connected (aka..have a life beyond the plant)..hearing about jbeezy or Berner or whoever the latest pot dick swinger is who has >>>THE<<< cut of whatever is hot that the kiddies want....and then hearing those who know them well enough to receive said cuts then BRAG they have the same cuts... I dunno...WTF is all of that for? Is it anything more than a circle jerk.....comparin dick size? Nope. (unless you wanna share what you speak of...LOL)

I was on a clone trading board about 15 years ago. (an OG spinoff board after it went down) Invite only. All the popular cuts of the day were there (and the popular growers as well). Ghost...Bubba..Blowfish...BananaOG...DTHF....blahblahblah. The ONLY rule was...if you talked about having it on the board...you had to share it with everyone on the board who asked for it. So if you had a very special, special...RESTRICTED (LOFL...BillyBob chumps clone)....you'd best not say anything cus nobody wanted to hear your braggart , hoarder shat. It was the fastest way to get the boot 'cus the intent of the group was to break down some of the WALL that forms when folks think they are mo special than everyone else. Yawn.

But it is what it is...and it's always been like that. (special folks! with the special cuts!) Talk about bottlenecking genetics and tossin a wrench in the genetic wheel...

The funny thing is....and maybe it's just me.... about 1/2 of the stuff folks go on and on about are good cuts...but not as good as the hype foisted upon them. Ghost OG is a good example. I got my cut direct from the source (in like...2004-05)....and it was good...but it never yielded well...and I was...at the time...in the mix for the $$...so...like Heisen and his chop madness...it went bye-bye after a few runs. I didn't realize at the time that EVERY fuckin' guy and his brother...and sister....and mother... would whore that cut and create their own "OG" strain with it...but damned if the last 15 years haven't been just that. Every canyon in LA has a Ghost cut named for it...my oh my...gotta be "special". "That's MY cut". "That's Berner's cut". I have the ball and you don't.... yawn.

Passing to the left. (remember when we used to circle up and smoke cus we wanted our friends to be as high as we were...not to show our dicks? LOFL)

Either way...I'm wavin at all the other old guys with their Wheat Straws...who can smoke a joint of anything anyone can put in front of yaz....whoozzever fuckin "named" cut it is...LOL. Yawn.

True and honest...shit gonna be OK. Play the game and be a huckster...always gonna be problems. Same as it ever was...same as it ever was....same as it evah-was....

be safe all...
Right On
 

Chunky Stool

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Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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How do "breeders" decide what to cross when creating new strains?
Do they just chuck anything they can get their hands on and see if it sticks?

I roll a LOT of joints, but rarely use only one strain. Blending different strains provides a ton of variety and the combinations are usually better than the stand-alone version.

But not all combinations are great.

It's kinda like cooking with sweet & savory. The balance is what makes it good.

If I was a breeder, I'd sample lots of blends to see what pairs well before actually committing.


See, told you I was clueless... :dunce::eyesmoke::dunce:
 

jayblaze710

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Great post cpt

I feel like the part that talks about the plants and the moms showing diff things is spot on ..

Personally i like smoking new flavors but don't buy seeds of them because there super poly hybrids and growing them would be a crapshoot .. if the mom has over 2 or 3 parents i skip it

Think about it like this u might grow them and wanna make ya own crosses now its still a f1 but genetically it has over 6 to 8 parents what do u expect to get ? Also what are u tryna improve? Breeding should have goals and 95% of people doing this have no real goal just profits
Dude what? How does a plant have over two parents? Did someone start making the first genetically engineered seeds?

If you’re saying you won’t buy any strain that has multiple lineages in it....well, good luck buying anything. I guess you’re hunting down those old BOEL landrace seeds, huh?

So you won’t buy Wedding Cake seeds, but you will buy Wedding Cake x Stardawg seeds, cuz somehow that will stabilize things???

And the irony is that you’re supporting GPS, which is literally the definition of a cash grab. Gu does zero selection on his own. He was given the Stardawg male. He crosses it to whatever elite clone he can get his hands on. There’s no thought or intention behind his “breeding” other than, “is this female popular? Then throw her in too”. Then he sells as many of his untested seeds as he possibly can. Gu’s goal is profit. Not to make cannabis better, not to produce something specific and new.

And you all are happy with it because it means cheap seeds. Let’s stop pretending like things aren’t what they are. GPS is concerned about minimizing costs and maximizing profit, and everyone here is a fan because it means $30 packs for them.

Are you not seeing the contradictions here?
 
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