Greenpoint seeds!!

westcoast420

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Hey bro those are beautiful!

You mentioned you forgot to clone them out. Take this for what it is worth but most usually when I forget to clone something out or just get a good surprising phenos that comes around, I always harvest and leave a little bid on the bottoms, throw them under a fluoro and begin to reveg them.

It always works amazingly for me. I don't know if you have already harvested completely or not, but if you have not, I would definitely consider doing a reveg.
Thanks man. I actually did do this with a few of the phenos I didn't clone last round, unfortunately one turned out to show some pretty weird hermi growth so had to end that one, the other one was left out of the watering schedule by an employee so that one didn't survive. >:(
 

Bakersfield

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How does that system work? I've never ran DWC but it looks fun. :eyesmoke:
Undercurrent is basically a recirculating deep water culture on steroids, where the nutrient solution is thoroughly aerated and rushing past the root zone. Think oversized pipe, pumps and aeration, with phenomenal growth potential, if you run a tight ship.
I don't know if Heisengrows setup would be considered an undercurrent, it is definately recirculating and therefore bad-ass, IMHO.
 

Heisengrow

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Undercurrent is basically a recirculating deep water culture on steroids, where the nutrient solution is thoroughly aerated and rushing past the root zone. Think oversized pipe, pumps and aeration, with phenomenal growth potential, if you run a tight ship.
I don't know if Heisengrows setup would be considered an undercurrent, it is definately recirculating and therefore bad-ass, IMHO.
It is completely undercurrent.I took the idea from current culture and made mine better.I hope they read this cause they can kiss my ass.charging people 2 grand for some buckets and pipes is bullshit considering its been around for decades.they just pUT a market on it but they still got the epi bucket fucked up.I made some changes and get retarded growth.
It' very easy to make mistake and lose entire crop but once you get it dialed in and overcome obstacles it is by far the easiest and growth on plants is fast and furious
 

Heisengrow

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You can see in the pic water rides under the roots in 2 inch pipe and is pulled through the 2 smaller pipes that goes to the pump.than it goes under the floor to another room with a water chiller and comes back to dump in the front control bucket.the smaller pipes is what pulls the water through all the buckets.
This shir on co2 is crazy.also you don't have to use hardly any nutes in this system and you still get crazy growth.

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chemphlegm

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It is completely undercurrent.I took the idea from current culture and made mine better.I hope they read this cause they can kiss my ass.charging people 2 grand for some buckets and pipes is bullshit considering its been around for decades.they just pUT a market on it but they still got the epi bucket fucked up.I made some changes and get retarded growth.
It' very easy to make mistake and lose entire crop but once you get it dialed in and overcome obstacles it is by far the easiest and growth on plants is fast and furious
hands down my most prolific grow system to date, albeit riddled with issues from day one for me
From leaks, to ph, and that frikken res heat.
IN the end I figured might have been dryer to plumb a couple dozen wet dry vac's together and grow in those:P
I got so frustrated I filled my buckets up with promix to soak up the water and the (my current)idea came to me in a flash!:o
 

Mcgician

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If you don't mind me asking @Heisengrow, what size system are you running? How many buckets, what size chiller and how many 1000hps lights? I've seen many other dwc setups online before, and without a doubt, the growth rate is extremely fast. In some ways, too fast. I've seen guys run that system, and run into issues they've never had to deal with before. For instance, some guys have found, due to such rapid growth, they have to grow only ONE plant per light, have far more rapid defolitaion intervals, spray intervals, and having to really get a grip on vertical growth. Have you run in to these same issues? I'd be interested in trying a dwc system, but with the amount of lights I'm running, I highly doubt I'd be able to keep up with the work demands such fast growth would require. Would you mind sharing your experience and opinion on how it's affected your workload and available time being able to deal with it? Thx.

~McG
 

Ryry94

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If you don't mind me asking @Heisengrow, what size system are you running? How many buckets, what size chiller and how many 1000hps lights? I've seen many other dwc setups online

~McG
Growth is super fast, stretch seems to be exaggerated, more buds and weight in the end. None of these are “problems” in my view as long as you have experience training plants and you understand your time lines.
 

Amos Otis

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I run DWC for years, but in non-connected buckets. Connections [ I think ? ] mean you have no mobility to move plants around, either in one tent [ faster growers to the outside, slower ones in the middle] or from one tent to another.

Seems like it would make sense to grow ONE plant in DWC until I figure how what's up because there's a very good chance I'll fuck up & kill the plant.
It's easy peasy if you have good nutrients and follow their prescribed feeding schedule. Use a little less than stated, and you can always add more if the plants show they're hungrier for more. I use GH powders with a little ph UP because of my water being a bit out of balance. The problem I used to run into most frequently was failing air stones - getting swallowed up by roots. The plant suffocates, and doesn't let you know until it's too late - always about mid bloom. Problem fixed by never re-using an air stone. They're extremely cheap vs the heartbreak of losing a 2 month old + shirley.

ZThe best part IMO ? I don't like dirt / soil and all the pests they can harbor. DWC is clean; the most frequent problem is probably bud rot in the super fat colas you can grow. Topping several times for many nugs vs big colas most always works, along with good air circulation. I've also recently bought a mini-dehumidifier from Amazon that's sweeeet !

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natureboygrower

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I run DWC for years, but in non-connected buckets. Connections [ I think ? ] mean you have no mobility to move plants around, either in one tent [ faster growers to the outside, slower ones in the middle] or from one tent to another.



It's easy peasy if you have good nutrients and follow their prescribed feeding schedule. Use a little less than stated, and you can always add more if the plants show they're hungrier for more. I use GH powders with a little ph UP because of my water being a bit out of balance. The problem I used to run into most frequently was failing air stones - getting swallowed up by roots. The plant suffocates, and doesn't let you know until it's too late - always about mid bloom. Problem fixed by never re-using an air stone. They're extremely cheap vs the heartbreak of losing a 2 month old + shirley.

ZThe best part IMO ? I don't like dirt / soil and all the pests they can harbor. DWC is clean; the most frequent problem is probably bud rot in the super fat colas you can grow. Topping several times for many nugs vs big colas most always works, along with good air circulation. I've also recently bought a mini-dehumidifier from Amazon that's sweeeet !

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what size dehumidifier,Cap?
 

Amos Otis

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Heisengrow

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If you don't mind me asking @Heisengrow, what size system are you running? How many buckets, what size chiller and how many 1000hps lights? I've seen many other dwc setups online before, and without a doubt, the growth rate is extremely fast. In some ways, too fast. I've seen guys run that system, and run into issues they've never had to deal with before. For instance, some guys have found, due to such rapid growth, they have to grow only ONE plant per light, have far more rapid defolitaion intervals, spray intervals, and having to really get a grip on vertical growth. Have you run in to these same issues? I'd be interested in trying a dwc system, but with the amount of lights I'm running, I highly doubt I'd be able to keep up with the work demands such fast growth would require. Would you mind sharing your experience and opinion on how it's affected your workload and available time being able to deal with it? Thx.

~McG
on my 4.5x 6 foot scrogs i run 1000W.This keeps my canopy even and keeps the height down on the tops.I always time my scrogs so the majority of the stretch is above the screen.This give me way more bud sites above the net.Never allow the plants to stretch under the screen or stretch while your filling the screen in.Its counter productive and you end up building all your bud sites under the net.You want nice stacked colas growing up from the base of the screen.This is the way i do it because i have 7 foot ceilings.If i had 12 foot ceilings i would run 27 gallon totes and water jets to get 6 foot plants under 1200W gravitas but this is another time when this state pulls its head out of its ass.
IMO scrogging with DWC are made for each other.You never have to fuck with the plants.Never have to move them to water.All your nutrient recirculates through the buckets so all your worried about is what is above your scrog screens.I put my buckets on 18 inch centers and found this a very good compromise for a scrog.
DWC gives me way faster veg times and once the net goes up i just start to tuck the tops and move the branches to fill in the screen.When its about 85 percent complete i flip to 12/12.Again the only main concern for me is spacing the branches.I use 4 inch net and just have 1 branch for every other square.Picture it as a checker board.Just put a branch in the black squares.so everything is spaced out.I cut every thing else that doesnt get a square.That way growth is super even,and not crowded.it takes me about 4 minutes a day to tuck and weave branches but it is only for about 2 weeks if that.Once everything has a square thats it.

Also the recirculating with the control bucket (dummy bucket)is awesome cause its the only bucket i have to check.thats where i put my nutes in and check the ph.I run gen hrdro flora duo and im telling you of all the multiple plants ive run it always seems about half strength of what there charts say is always money.
I also use water chillers.Its extremely important to keep out root disease but not always a fail safe.Ive been using Hydroguard now as an insurance and i have to say im impressed with it.I wish i would have found it way back when i first started.I ran a test with it using single bucket and room temp water and have white as fuck roots so this will be part of my systems for now on if you dont want to have to brew a bacterial benificial tea.
Ive known about teas for a while i just dont have to deal with all that.The purpose of DWC is for ease of operation.Once everything is set is is retarded easy.

I also use top off reservoirs and float switches in my control bucket.I have a remote 20 gallon resovior that drains to a float valve in my main system.I always mix my nutes in that reservoir and i can always tell how much the plants are taking in.If i have 600PPM in my system and 650 in my top off res.And the system is staying at 600,this tells me my plants are eating a little more than im giving.When u get the top off res and the system PPM around the same than thats it.All you have to do is check the PH once a day and adjust if you need to.

Like i said once everything is set up and you get it dialed in which dont take much than you will be bored in your grow room cause shit becomes so automated you will have nothing to do.

Hope i answered some of your questions.

Also to the guy that was having leaks.I use 5200 marine caulk to seal up everything.its 25 dollars a tube but once it dries u never gonna have a leak period.that shit is used below waterline sealing boats.i always run a bead around everything before i fill with water.Once i do that 12 hours to dry and thats it.
 
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