3rd times a charm

[drewby]

as it says on round 3,,all is well except a few light failures went and bought and added few more lights and have had few fail 2-3 weeks in the ballast no worries called company they are sending me new replacement ballast and a few spares lol ,,so all will be well,doing fair the plants were clones I took off last grow they were bit slow about rooting and switching back or seemed like it lol,they have been in my room since feb 10th so am 1 month and 10 days in roughly all plants have hit or exceeded the 2 foot mark pretty quick ,feeding them up now watching them turn a darker green as I increase the N had a few who were getting a lighter green so upped the feeding schedule ,I am feeding them with my organic mix every 3 days they get a dose ,greedy things eating a bit not even in flower lol,here are few pics of my progress

 

[Bruce K.]

looking healthy af!

what kind of lamps are those over your plants?

 

[drewby]

Those are my 400 watt MH,I run them when I throw the ladies into flower,each one put's out around 38k lumens, during vegg I just run my 4 foot fluorescents getting ready to add a few more,,some folks do not like them ,I pay 11 bucks a pop for them at walmart and keeps them readily available and cheap,,I use descent bulbs full spectrum daylight bulbs same thing a photographer would use in photo's close to natural light ,and almost no heat,,or low heat,I also found from indoors or outdoors kola's are always biggest as they are on the top and receive most light,So I found a way to get light in on the sides of my ladies they seem to like it and will have the same consistent light till 4 foot,then overheads will be running with them,sorry for the long explanation lol,

 

[Bruce K.]

for 11$ each it's doing a great job, I'm using 4ft fluorescent bulbs too. Do you move your plants around or the lights are always lighting(?) the same side of the plants? Adding some on the other side might help even more in flowering for the buds at the bottom. I saw someone who put upside/down fluorescents on the buckets to add a little wattage in his setup.

 

[drewby]

Okay all I have a question been at this a while outside before I have come in,,I have never used Cal -Mag just ordered my first Jugg any recommendations,,I generally go 1/4 strength on anything ,so was just curious,I usually use milk,but if you mix milk to strong you will burn the plant ,Not in the same way N will but it can kill all the young starting nodes as store bought milk has sugar in it grrrrr ,I believe that is what does it ,But None the less,My plants are doing well ,Just never tried cal mag so figured I would get some input from some people who have,I have been using milk for years fo calcium and other vitamins ,& I use epson salt for magnesium which has always worked well,
Also have thought about adding 3-4 worms to each 5 gallon bucket just for shits and giggle ,anyone ever done that ,and if so do the worms survive or thrive ,was just curious

 

[drewby]

for 11$ each it's doing a great job, I'm using 4ft fluorescent bulbs too. Do you move your plants around or the lights are always lighting(?) the same side of the plants? Adding some on the other side might help even more in flowering for the buds at the bottom. I saw someone who put upside/down fluorescents on the buckets to add a little wattage in his setup.

Love your set up I like the growth of fluorescents your plants look great

 

[drewby]

Okay all I have a question been at this a while outside before I have come in,,I have never used Cal -Mag just ordered my first Jugg any recommendations,,I generally go 1/4 strength on anything ,so was just curious,I usually use milk,but if you mix milk to strong you will burn the plant ,Not in the same way N will but it can kill all the young starting nodes as store bought milk has sugar in it grrrrr ,I believe that is what does it ,But None the less,My plants are doing well ,Just never tried cal mag so figured I would get some input from some people who have,I have been using milk for years fo calcium and other vitamins ,& I use epson salt for magnesium which has always worked well,
Also have thought about adding 3-4 worms to each 5 gallon bucket just for shits and giggle ,anyone ever done that ,and if so do the worms survive or thrive ,was just curious ??

 

[drewby]

well still hard at it not to far from my 4 foot mark and these ladies will be changing over not to much longer

 

[Jon E. Doe]

Yeah man, close. Those are gonna end up as massive beasts. Great job!

 

[drewby]

here is a few fresh pictures ,I tried to use my hand as something to gauge the stalk bye in first pic,i wear a size 13 1/2 ring been able to palm a b ball since I was a teen am pleased with the stalk size my best to date ,just want them healthy as I can get them,contemplating giving 2 away ,hmmmm,am tight on room in there,hate to,not sure may push thru ,I like to have a foot or better between each bucket and right now they are tight,usually only have 6 have 8 in there right now ,Hard to believe i flowered 16 in that room on my first run lol,need to go thru and take some old dead or dying growth off few but other than that seem fairly healthy ,I would like them bit better ,wifes say's I am greedy i just enjoy them growing and advancing my skills as well,hope everyone is doing great,been using the cal-mag small doses

 

[drewby]

Well not very happy,not sure what has happened but in the last month every plant I have has become sickly right around time to flower,bought cal mag about a month ago asked for some recommendations on use never got any but ,don't think that is the cause,I thought i was treating a mag nesse and cal,deficiency,but they are just getting worse,all under growth is dying leaves tare off very easy ,top of the plants looked fine,I thought maybe to much water so I pulled them from their 5 gallon buckets ,washed the roots completely clean and re planted ,going threw transplant shock right now not sure all will recover ahhhhhh,still not really sure what is wrong ph is good about 6.5 nuts are not to hot no burn,no crow's claw,had been the biggest and healthiest I have grown,stalk on few are as big as 1 gallon milk jug lid,lots and lots of roots pretty white ,so that kind of ruled out rot root or over water,hopefully they survive transplant shock,these plants are almost 5 foot,very troubled by this,in my last above pics you can see,bottoms dying that was when I bought the Cal mag really thought that was it,or was what they needed grrr now not sure,I keep my room clean,is swept and do the floors and walls few times a grow with bleach and plants removed and room aired out,even if I can not save these would really like to know what I have been up against,so a correction can be made or I will know if I encounter in the future,any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated ,I need to flower them or they won't fit in this room if I keep going to much longer

 

[Bruce K.]

@drewby

",I amfeeding them with my organic mix"

what's in your organic mix?

"I have been using milk for years fo calcium and other vitamins ,& I use epson salt for magnesium which has always worked well"

first, I've never heard of someone using milk, I think it could bring all sort of bad bacteria to the soil. second, you do know that cal/mag is calcium and magnesium right? If your adding cal/mag and Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate), it's like a double dose of magnesium, and that's without the calcium the magnesium and the sulfur that is naturally in the soil. Epsom salt also increase nutrients absorption.

",I thought i was treating a mag nesse and cal,deficiency,but they are just getting worse,all under growth is dyingleaves tare off very easy ,top of the plants looked fine"

you were trying to fix a manganese deficiency? you should have add something with traces of elements instead of cal/mag (look at my picture). I never add cal/mag to my soil unless I'm using the soil for 3-4 harvests. I only use it in hydro setups.

You probably don't have enough lights for plants that big and that's why the undergrowth is dying. How many lights do you have? Hps mh and fluorescent?

 

[drewby]

@drewby

",I amfeeding them with my organic mix"

Milk, it does the body good. But did you know it may also be good for the garden? Using milk as fertilizer has been an old-time remedy in the garden for many generations. In addition to helping with plant growth, feeding plants with milk can also alleviate many issues in the garden, from calcium deficiencies to viruses and powdery mildew. Let’s find out how to take advantage of the beneficial fertilizer components in milk. Milk Fertilizer Benefits Milk is a good source of calcium, not only for humans, but for plants as well. Raw, or unpasteurized, cow’s milk has some of the same nourishing properties for plants that it has for animals and people. It contains beneficial proteins, vitamin B and sugars that are good for plants, improving their overall health and crop yields. The microbes that feed on the fertilizer components of milk are also beneficial to the soil.

Read more at Gardening Know How: Milk Fertilizer Benefits: Using Milk Fertilizer On Plants https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/soil-fertilizers/milk-fertilizer.htm

 

[drewby]

Milk has been used for a long time to improve soil,

http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/milk-and-molasses-magic-zbcz1402

 

[drewby]

I will also add I found the problem ,,nothing to do with my grow style or feeding habits , I have stalks bigger than a 1 gallon milk jug lid very good size,health had been good,I have 15 4 foot light fixtures all running full spectrum daylight bulbs,I can typically get 4-5 ounces a plant off plants in 5 gallon buckets,I have 2 400 watt MH lights with red and blue spectrum,55,000 lumens each I only run them in flower,lighting is not a issue for me,I have a concealed grow so my fluorescents provide low heat in such tight space and stack the plants thick and healthy,I have been trying to treat a deficiency for over a month ,Should have been treating a infestation,,I went threw and removed much of the foliage spotted a few tiny webs on one ,cut a few leaves and threw them under the scope,Red Spider mites are killing my plants,I not sure they can be saved at this point they are bad,I have topped the upper 3 feet from them and removed the dead and sprayed the heck out of them ,I took some cuttings from the tops that I cut and will see if they will come back had to cut them as I can let them get much over 5 foot in my room ,I also think I will be using 10 gallon containers this next go round during transplant they are very full of roots almost more roots in those 5 gallon buckets than dirt lol

 

[Bruce K.]

Milk has been used for a long time to improve soil,

http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/milk-and-molasses-magic-zbcz1402

I'll give milk a chance in my next grow!
Ducking spider mites, hope you'll be able to salvage something man.

Also lumens doesnt mean anything for a plant. 15x50w + 2×400w seems enough for your setup though.
You might want to read this :
https://fluence.science/science/how-to-compare-grow-lights/
and the article at the top of that page about horticulture lighting metrics.

 

[drewby]

I cut them way back thinned all dead or dying vegetation off cut them back to 2 foot tall,treated them they may pull threw got some 10 gallon planters for them so if they make it will repot them in few weeks after they show signs of it being worth the trouble lol,feel bad wacked em off but they won't fit if I kept going and should be a bit easier on recovery am hoping,still sucks ,stupid red mites ahhh lol