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[whitebb2727]

To the ones calling people stupid for using t5, I've shown that t5 can grow some nice plants.

I issue you a challenge. To do some real growing.

Grow some plants in the middle of no where. Keep the bugs, animal, and rippers from getting them. Oh and the police to.

Oh yea, and you can only visit them once a month.

 

[greasemonkeymann]




There are actually very few published scientific studies about greenhouse gas emissions from composts, but the two that I have been able to find show that around 2-3% of the original carbon in the manure or green waste is emitted as methane (21X carbon dioxide in GHG potential) and there is also a little nitrous oxideas well (310X carbon dioxide in GHG potential). That doesn’t sound at all bad until you do some math with the values in these publications.
if you think of it in terms of delivering a hundred pounds of nitrogen/acre (as you would for something like an organic vegetable crop) you would need to start with 8600 pounds (on a dry weight basis) of cow manure (because there is a loss of mass and because the compost is only 1.7% nitrogen). The greenhouse gas emissions are the equivalent of 0.74 lbs CO2 per dry lb of manure. That means that the “carbon footprint” of the 100 lbs of N in compost fertilizer is 6,403 lbs CO2. That is 14.6 times as much as for synthetic urea fertilizer! It is the equivalent of burning 331 gallons of gasoline!

PS: by the way i farm both organic and synthetic

comparing what I do in my compost to what a manure based compost does is totally different though man.
completely.
I know a LOT about composting, and greenhouse gases.
you need to understand how composting works before posting erroneous stuff like that, what you are doing is misleading people.
done correctly a compost pile emits very, very, little greenhouse gases, done ANAEROBICALLY is where the problems arise, ammonia gas off, methane, etc.
please make sure you distinctly discern between the two in the future, as one is VERY beneficial to the environment.
making a manure pile and letting it compost on its on, without turning, without the proper carbon to nitrogen ratio and YES you are 100% correct!
but what we do?
isn't that at all.

 

[Straw Man]

To the ones calling people stupid for using t5, I've shown that t5 can grow some nice plants.

I issue you a challenge. To do some real growing.

Grow some plants in the middle of no where. Keep the bugs, animal, and rippers from getting them. Oh and the police to.

Oh yea, and you can only visit them once a month.

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Im using the t5 agromax uvb. A few plants are just now drying after flowering under this tube (&cxbs).

Im super curious about how these turnout, especially after reading this bit from sam Skunkman over on IC:

"Pate worked for me for 2 decades we ran several grow outs in my greenhouse he designed that tried to prove that UVB improved Cannabis in any way. We could not, We used 3 different clones one CBD and two drug varieties we had 4 examples of each each of the 3 clones they were set up so the first set of three were 1 meter from the UVB lights, the next set was 3 meters, the next set was 6 meters, and the last set was a control with no UVB. They were all in 10 liter pots the same size, about 3 feet when started, with the same soil and watering. The closest to the lights got badly fried, the second set was lightly fried, the third set, not really harmed and the 4th set looked the same as controls. We ran the lights first in veg then in flowering. We used GC-FID to measure the cannabinoids and terpenes and weighed the total biomass, and flowers and stems and leaf fraction of the dry plants after harvest.
RCC and I did organoleptic analysis on the two drug varieties Skunk #1 and a Thai?, the no UVB plants were the best. The closest row to the lights were much less weight and resin, the second row was lightly harmed in a similar way. None of the UVB plants had any more cannabinoids or terpenes or more weight. I did try."
-SamS

His spacing may have been an issue.

 

[Straw Man]

You're right. It was mean to have laughed at you and you are not funny.

bro, you're duller than fuck.

 

[whitebb2727]

Im using the t5 agromax uvb. A few plants are just now drying after flowering under this tube (&cxbs).

Im super curious about how these turnout, especially after reading this bit from sam Skunkman over on IC:

"Pate worked for me for 2 decades we ran several grow outs in my greenhouse he designed that tried to prove that UVB improved Cannabis in any way. We could not, We used 3 different clones one CBD and two drug varieties we had 4 examples of each each of the 3 clones they were set up so the first set of three were 1 meter from the UVB lights, the next set was 3 meters, the next set was 6 meters, and the last set was a control with no UVB. They were all in 10 liter pots the same size, about 3 feet when started, with the same soil and watering. The closest to the lights got badly fried, the second set was lightly fried, the third set, not really harmed and the 4th set looked the same as controls. We ran the lights first in veg then in flowering. We used GC-FID to measure the cannabinoids and terpenes and weighed the total biomass, and flowers and stems and leaf fraction of the dry plants after harvest.
RCC and I did organoleptic analysis on the two drug varieties Skunk #1 and a Thai?, the no UVB plants were the best. The closest row to the lights were much less weight and resin, the second row was lightly harmed in a similar way. None of the UVB plants had any more cannabinoids or terpenes or more weight. I did try."
-SamS

His spacing may have been an issue.

I would guess than in a green house they have all the UV they need and the bulb wouldn't do anything.

I haven't done a scientific experiment to prove it but the quality of my bud went up after adding UV.

Other people have noticed to that have smoked it.

 

[Straw Man]

I would guess than in a green house they have all the UV they need and the bulb wouldn't do anything.

I haven't done a scientific experiment to prove it but the quality of my bud went up after adding UV.

Other people have noticed to that have smoked it.

good point. I'm not sure though that UVB makes it through glass. Ive used other uvb bulbs and felt that the potency got amped a bit. The agromax bulb has more punch and I am really interested in what the effect will be.

 

[whitebb2727]

good point. I'm not sure though that UVB makes it through glass. Ive used other uvb bulbs and felt that the potency got amped a bit. The agromax bulb has more punch and I am really interested in what the effect will be.

I was using the agromax 10,000k+ uva. I liked it a lot. I could tell a difference with it.

I use all agromax bulbs. 2-3000k, 2-6500k, 2-pure par, 1-10,000k, and one pure UV.

T5 ho is more efficient now than it was a few years back.
Take hid. When it degrades it can lose up to 50%.

The new t5 bulbs only lose 10%. That's it. The whole life of the bulb just 10%. They don't have to be changed as often as some claim.

I'm going to mount my t5 ballast outside my cab and see how much cooler they are.

Hid is hotter than t5. Touch a 400 hid when its good and hot and see what happens. I can touch a t5 bulb.

Reason being that hid has a smaller surface area and concentrates the heat. The t5 spreads it over a larger area.

I know we can crunch numbers and talk about lumens, watts, photons and every other measure of light. I don't think it is quit as simple as people make it out to be.

If I take a 25% efficient light and the plant uses upwards of 100% of that light and a 50% efficient light but the plant only uses 50% of that light there is not much difference. I'm not saying thats true for cob, just an example.

Granted that the new de hid and cob lights might be a better option. Let's take a look at it. If I ran hid I would probably still add a UV t5 bulb. With cob I would probably add a UV and par bulb or 10,000k.

For my small area I don't see it worth it to switch. My t5 produces more than I can smoke and provides plenty enough for tinctures, salves, oil, and edibles.

I'm doing that with less than a $200 investment in my light and less than $20 a month on my electric bill.

Now if I were to blow out a house or start a warehouse grow I would probably use the industry standard double ended hid.

For what I want and doing my t5 works great and no reason for someone to call me stupid over it.

 

[churchhaze]

If I take a 25% efficient light and the plant uses upwards of 100% of that light and a 50% efficient light but the plant only uses 50% of that light there is not much difference. I'm not sayingthats the try for cob, just an example.

So 96.6% of the cxb 3000k 80cri spectral power distribution falls within the PAR range (400nm-700nm).. now what?

Coincidentally, 96.6% is the exact same percentage of power within the PAR range for the T5 GE LongLast 3000k spectrum.

 

[Slipup420]

comparing what I do in my compost to what a manure based compost does is totally different though man.
completely.
I know a LOT about composting, and greenhouse gases.
you need to understand how composting works before posting erroneous stuff like that, what you are doing is misleading people.
done correctly a compost pile emits very, very, little greenhouse gases, done ANAEROBICALLY is where the problems arise, ammonia gas off, methane, etc.
please make sure you distinctly discern between the two in the future, as one is VERY beneficial to the environment.
making a manure pile and letting it compost on its on, without turning, without the proper carbon to nitrogen ratio and YES you are 100% correct!
but what we do?
isn't that at all.

Who the hell are you trying to kid ??? compost pile will release C02 and methane gas end of story. Its really miss leading C02 is C02 and methane gas is methane gas to say it produces very little depends on the amount of greens ,and established micro life decomposing the material  With normal 2 - 1 ratio that is the normal carbon ratio its going to emit green house gases
Aerobic composting is a fast procedure there fore it will indeed release faster in to the air Hot composting etc it creates heat much faster then anaerobic sludge type of composting ,,
This is why so many do it for a faster time table ..
And lets face it everyone monkeys around on the how to compost but very few get it right its trial n error finding that sweet spot
So you run less then 2 - 1 carbon ratio so its a slow compost ??? so in theory it takes a very long time possibly creating other bad pathogens as there is not enough N in the compost pile so greens Rot before it composts for use ??
in theory there are two categories ,, hot and cold Composting that mostly everyone does and cold and slow composting that some due
But either way how well is it working out for them or your self ??? are you growing from start to finish with only water ?? No Teas , No Fertilizers ?? how is the weed control doing ?? or bad pathogens doing ? cause that is what happens when you slow compost if its slow composting manure i get to grow barley seed for free possibly carry over E coli and other bad pathogens ??
But being your well trained in composting curious what critters do you have in your compost tote ???
. Actually, we'd even go one step further and say that these bugs are absolutely essential to your compost pile and garden soil. They're all part of what we refer to as the Soil food web
Remember the golden rule....Nature doesn't make mistakes , All of her creatures, big and small, serve a very specific purpose (most of which we'll never know). Therefore, Do you have any in your pile ??

 

[Straw Man]

I was using the agromax 10,000k+ uva. I liked it a lot. I could tell a difference with it.

I use all agromax bulbs. 2-3000k, 2-6500k, 2-pure par, 1-10,000k, and one pure UV.

T5 ho is more efficient now than it was a few years back.
Take hid. When it degrades it can lose up to 50%.

The new t5 bulbs only lose 10%. That's it. The whole life of the bulb just 10%. They don't have to be changed as often as some claim.

I'm going to mount my t5 ballast outside my cab and see how much cooler they are.

Hid is hotter than t5. Touch a 400 hid when its good and hot and see what happens. I can touch a t5 bulb.

Reason being that hid has a smaller surface area and concentrates the heat. The t5 spreads it over a larger area.

I know we can crunch number and talk about lumens, watts, photons and every other measure of light. I don't think it is quit as simple as people make it out to be.

If I take a 25% efficient light and the plant uses upwards of 100% of that light and a 50% efficient light but the plant only uses 50% of that light there is not much difference. I'm not sayingthats the try for cob, just an example.

Granted that the new de hid and cob lights might be a better option. Let's take a look at it. If I ran hid I would probably still add a UV t5 bulb. With cob I would probably add a UV and par bulb or 10,000k.

For my small area I don't see it worth it to switch. My t5 produces more than I can smoke and provides plenty enough for tinctures, salves, oil, and edibles.

I'm doing that with less than a $200 investment in my light and less than $20 a month on my electric bill.

Now if I were to blow out a house or start a warehouse grow I would probably use the industry standard double ended hid.

For what I want and doing my t5 works great and no reason for someone to call me stupid over it.

Ill put up some pics of a recent plant i grew under older v29s...seriously huge plant w huge, icy buds. They had about 4weeks of agromax pure uv

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Who the hell are you trying to kid ??? compost pile will release C02 and methane gas end of story. Its really miss leading C02 is C02 and methane gas is methane gas to say it produces very little depends on the amount of greens ,and established micro life decomposing the material  With normal 2 - 1 ratio that is the normal carbon ratio its going to emit green house gases
Aerobic composting is a fast procedure there fore it will indeed release faster in to the air Hot composting etc it creates heat much faster then anaerobic sludge type of composting ,,
This is why so many do it for a faster time table ..
And lets face it everyone monkeys around on the how to compost but very few get it right its trial n error finding that sweet spot
So you run less then 2 - 1 carbon ratio so its a slow compost ??? so in theory it takes a very long time possibly creating other bad pathogens as there is not enough N in the compost pile so greens Rot before it composts for use ??
in theory there are two categories ,, hot and cold Composting that mostly everyone does and cold and slow composting that some due
But either way how well is it working out for them or your self ??? are you growing from start to finish with only water ?? No Teas , No Fertilizers ?? how is the weed control doing ?? or bad pathogens doing ? cause that is what happens when you slow compost if its slow composting manure i get to grow barley seed for free possibly carry over E coli and other bad pathogens ??
But being your well trained in composting curious what critters do you have in your compost tote ???
. Actually, we'd even go one step further and say that these bugs are absolutely essential to your compost pile and garden soil. They're all part of what we refer to as the Soil food web
Remember the golden rule....Nature doesn't make mistakes , All of her creatures, big and small, serve a very specific purpose (most of which we'll never know). Therefore, Do you have any in your pile ??
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first off, like I said, YOU need to know wtf compsting is.
NOBODY does a 2/1 ratio.
NOBODY.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Who the hell are you trying to kid ???
But either way how well is it working out for them or your self ??? are you growing from start to finish with only water ?? No Teas , No Fertilizers ?? how is the weed control doing ?? or bad pathogens doing ? cause that is what happens when you slow compost if its slow composting manure i get to grow barley seed for free possibly carry over E coli and other bad pathogens ??
But being your well trained in composting curious what critters do you have in your compost tote ???
. Actually, we'd even go one step further and say that these bugs are absolutely essential to your compost pile and garden soil. They're all part of what we refer to as the Soil food web
Remember the golden rule....Nature doesn't make mistakes , All of her creatures, big and small, serve a very specific purpose (most of which we'll never know). Therefore, Do you have any in your pile ??
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/greasemonkeys-compost-pile.893592/

 

[whitebb2727]

Mongo you are the saltiest dude on this website under Buck, (this is Queece by the way oh shit wuddup). We are in the business of generating photons. You are essentially using Thomas Edison's light bulb because you are afraid of being wrong. My chronic is balls-out incredible, anyone with eyes can see that. I use no air conditioning and bulk hydroponic nutrients to achieve that. If you're going to talk about g/w, you need to factor in your mini-split if you want to be honest. This is 1115 watts from the wall, fans, light, everything. You tell me this isn't impressive for less wattage than a space heater? That's absurd. Your methods are unsound. It's lonely at the top.

Those look like doo doo.

Do you know what heat stress is?

Those look mediocre at best.

Sorry man. Just being truthful. Its OK though. That looks like a good foundation to build on. I'm sure you will get better with time.

That is if you can learn a little humility.

Had a best friend I grew up with. His dad was 5th group special forces. Green Beret.

He was going to a shooting event with local law enforcement. I asked him why he was going because he could out shoot everyone there.

He told me to always go with an open mind. To always act like the other person knows more. Be a sponge, you never know when you will learn something.

 

[whitebb2727]

Who the hell are you trying to kid ??? compost pile will release C02 and methane gas end of story. Its really miss leading C02 is C02 and methane gas is methane gas to say it produces very little depends on the amount of greens ,and established micro life decomposing the material  With normal 2 - 1 ratio that is the normal carbon ratio its going to emit green house gases
Aerobic composting is a fast procedure there fore it will indeed release faster in to the air Hot composting etc it creates heat much faster then anaerobic sludge type of composting ,,
This is why so many do it for a faster time table ..
And lets face it everyone monkeys around on the how to compost but very few get it right its trial n error finding that sweet spot
So you run less then 2 - 1 carbon ratio so its a slow compost ??? so in theory it takes a very long time possibly creating other bad pathogens as there is not enough N in the compost pile so greens Rot before it composts for use ??
in theory there are two categories ,, hot and cold Composting that mostly everyone does and cold and slow composting that some due
But either way how well is it working out for them or your self ??? are you growing from start to finish with only water ?? No Teas , No Fertilizers ?? how is the weed control doing ?? or bad pathogens doing ? cause that is what happens when you slow compost if its slow composting manure i get to grow barley seed for free possibly carry over E coli and other bad pathogens ??
But being your well trained in composting curious what critters do you have in your compost tote ???
. Actually, we'd even go one step further and say that these bugs are absolutely essential to your compost pile and garden soil. They're all part of what we refer to as the Soil food web
Remember the golden rule....Nature doesn't make mistakes , All of her creatures, big and small, serve a very specific purpose (most of which we'll never know). Therefore, Do you have any in your pile ??
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Did you see the pics I posted?

Water only. Humus based with compost and castings.

The ocean produces green house gases. I will repeat what I said earlier.

Do you own a car and what gas mileage does it get? Do you own multiple TV and electronics you don't need that contribute to green house gases?

Your car is far more worse than a compost pile. Compost is what makes the earth turn. You ever been in the woods?

What ever dude. You know damn well there is nothing wrong with a compost pile.

Here is a water only grow.

Here is my water only, no till garden.

This is a water only guerilla grow. Visit once a month.

Keep on. Show how much you really don't know.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Composting has become a real problem in China today, all of those damn compost piles!!!

 

[Slipup420]

Guys guys there are some growers that have fine tuned there growing styles but for many there not even close hence the tea craze to complete a organic grow ..
yeah i don't know much now do i here my blind soil compost mix no amendments would you be so kind to show us your soil test oh i forgot you are probably one of them that blindly amend soil not really knowing what soil has or needs Not to bad for winging it or not knowing what i am doing

 

[Straw Man]

Guys guys there are some growers that have fine tuned there growing styles but for many there not even close hence the tea craze to complete a organic grow ..
yeah i don't know much now do i here my blind soil compost mix no amendments would you be so kind to show us your soil test oh i forgot you are probably one of them that blindly amend soil not really knowing what soil has or needs Not to bad for winging it or not knowing what i am doing View attachment 3703166

your #'s look pretty nice.

Do you follow Milky Joe or the Advanced eco guys on IC? They have a very decent thread going with discussions on ratios and amendments.

 

[whitebb2727]

So 96.6% of the cxb 3000k 80cri spectral power distribution falls within the PAR range (400nm-700nm).. now what?

Coincidentally, 96.6% is the exact same percentage of power within the PAR range for the T5 GE LongLast 3000k spectrum.

When will you underdtand that I don't give a flying fuck and happy doing what I'm doing?

My t5 let's me smoke this.

How can you argue with that?
This is what I kept out of my last run. I gave almost half of it away. (Dinafem deep cheese. Smelled like cheese, locker room, baby poop, and puke.). I didn't like it. I gave it to a woman that needed it.



Horrible trim job I know. I don't sell and I like a little sugar leaf on mine.

Those nugs are hard.

 

[ttystikk]

Im using the t5 agromax uvb. A few plants are just now drying after flowering under this tube (&cxbs).

Im super curious about how these turnout, especially after reading this bit from sam Skunkman over on IC:

"Pate worked for me for 2 decades we ran several grow outs in my greenhouse he designed that tried to prove that UVB improved Cannabis in any way. We could not, We used 3 different clones one CBD and two drug varieties we had 4 examples of each each of the 3 clones they were set up so the first set of three were 1 meter from the UVB lights, the next set was 3 meters, the next set was 6 meters, and the last set was a control with no UVB. They were all in 10 liter pots the same size, about 3 feet when started, with the same soil and watering. The closest to the lights got badly fried, the second set was lightly fried, the third set, not really harmed and the 4th set looked the same as controls. We ran the lights first in veg then in flowering. We used GC-FID to measure the cannabinoids and terpenes and weighed the total biomass, and flowers and stems and leaf fraction of the dry plants after harvest.
RCC and I did organoleptic analysis on the two drug varieties Skunk #1 and a Thai?, the no UVB plants were the best. The closest row to the lights were much less weight and resin, the second row was lightly harmed in a similar way. None of the UVB plants had any more cannabinoids or terpenes or more weight. I did try."
-SamS

His spacing may have been an issue.

Well duh, he said himself he fried the poor things, then he complains about lousy returns because he failed to harden the plants off to the UV?

His study conclusively proved he didn't know how to grow his plants with UV, not that UV sucks.

 

[ttystikk]

When will you underdtand that I don't give a flying fuck and happy doing what I'm doing?

My t5 let's me smoke this.
View attachment 3703165
How can you argue with that?
This is what I kept out of my last run. I gave almost half of it away. (Dinafem deep cheese. Smelled like cheese, locker room, baby poop, and puke.). I didn't like it. I gave it to a woman that needed it.
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Horrible trim job I know. I don't sell and I like a little sugar leaf on mine.

Those nugs are hard.

Too many people here have utterly failed to learn lessons of 'horses for courses' and the perfect being the enemy of the good.

Or in your case, great- that's plenty of damn fine nug. Better than most of these loud mouths manage with their nuclear sized SE HPS, lol