Feed schedule check and over feed error

[Dr. Who]

Wanna talk about my background as a grower trying to make it a joke so again please go fuck yourself Im sorry my opinion differs from yours it's funny cuz Id bet you've never been responsible for 800-1000 plants and we're paid to take care of them......again my opinion might differ from yours but I don't call out anyone over trying to help someone else have a good day and remember fuck off

REALLY? "responsible for a 1000 plants"?

I ran a Yew farm for a big drug company for years! They make Taxol, a chemo drug for cancer from the bark. I had to overlook two operations with a total plant count of 25,000 (in the ground) at these locations right down the road from each other.....The plants had the same common enemy's as our MM plant! Overall not a lot of dif except they are Perennial....and a different plant genus.....Bet I got paid more then you! (Salary)
OR
How about in "retirement" I run a 4 organic farm co-op? I guarantee we have more then 1000 plants each, on 3 of them! The other is dairy/poultry. They graze on organic fields. I wont count the grazing grass's towards our bet!

So then, whats the bet?

YOUR the one who's pushing the subject!
I didn't "call you out" or question your statements of what you said you do! If you think I did? I'm sorry, it was never intended that way!
I simply recall you saying something about both jobs....

I simply pointed out the faults in your plain water it out theory!

Again, lighten up Francis!

 

[Afgan King]

Are those cannabis or other plants cuz you just said perennials and other plants and this is all about cannabis I grow cannabis not other plants and how many other plants that you grow do u smoke? Cause you say it makes no difference and your info isn't from growing cannabis but other plants and don't say they are the same I come from a father who taught botany horticulture biology and anatomy and physiology. All plants are different my dad can grow anything has like 90% success rate cloning poinsettias and has a business doing people's back yard gardens but I grow cannabis. He learns from on that matter and does so because he understands the biological make up of the plants and knows yes cannabis is a weed it is hardy as fuck compared to a lot of plants but it is a special plant that needs certain things at certain times and they can change a while grow. I respect that you've grown and run farms for other plants but they aren't the same except for they are all plants and have almost all same basic needs of care but I can't do half the shit he can with other plants and vice versa. All I stated is what I do not what he must do the huge flushes if u read what I said aren't stupid messy and pointless I just feed the ph water because the plants have enough nutes in the coco and in themselves to sustain a week or two with nothing. Since we're on the subject what do u think of boiling the roots 5 days before harvest?

 

[Dr. Who]

Something I have not tried personally. I may yet, to simply learn what it does vs not. I mean the idea that it does start breakdown faster and decreases cure times is rather an interesting proposal......I feed till as close as can be and watered the mourning of harvest. I was also one who feed a metered amount everyday at lights on. - when I ran synthetic.....I've gone back to all Organic. So all I water with is water ("super soil" if you will - my own mix).
In one way, I guess I'm not to concerned with saving time in cure BUT, it's still something worth doing for observation/clarification.

As for the rest. Yup their different. Some by less then you think. Some far more difficult to work with. I feel, no I know what I did and do was/is harder in ways. Sadly most people have so complicated the "ideal" of proper cannabis growing, that I often laugh at aspects of what they practice! This here and that there and add this here to do that and, and, and....FAH! NONSENSE!

By rule of thumb. Cannabis needs nothing "special" at any "particular" time. This thinking is what confuses many new to growing and creates the perpetual line of the same problems over and over again we see HERE. They "worry" and buy all sorts of overpriced and over hyped "designed for cannabis" nutrients and that's nothing but a LIE! While there are a very, very few actual nutrient lines that FORMULATE their RATIO'S to their feeding charts and they WORK. Sadly the vast majority of nutrient lines simply start "bloom" nutrients too soon and use too much! Right along with lowering N too early! It's like common flowers. They'll take what they need, when they need it, from the available stock in the soil.....People manipulate the amounts available.....Oh, and btw. It's NOT a "weed". People call it a "weed" but, a "weed" is not a botanical designation.

Bottom line for Cannabis growing. Treat it like a common tropical and you'll have the best success.

Like I say to new growers. Get an African Violet and grow it! When you get that to flower - You're ready to grow weed and not have problems - Be sure to buy and read several books on growing and if your going organic? Get Teaming with microbes and teaming with nutrition and read those while you learn your African violet needs.

 

[Afgan King]

Something I have not tried personally. I may yet, to simply learn what it does vs not. I mean the idea that it does start breakdown faster and decreases cure times is rather an interesting proposal......I feed till as close as can be and watered the mourning of harvest. I was also one who feed a metered amount everyday at lights on. - when I ran synthetic.....I've gone back to all Organic. So all I water with is water ("super soil" if you will - my own mix).
In one way, I guess I'm not to concerned with saving time in cure BUT, it's still something worth doing for observation/clarification.

As for the rest. Yup their different. Some by less then you think. Some far more difficult to work with. I feel, no I know what I did and do was/is harder in ways. Sadly most people have so complicated the "ideal" of proper cannabis growing, that I often laugh at aspects of what they practice! This here and that there and add this here to do that and, and, and....FAH! NONSENSE!

By rule of thumb. Cannabis needs nothing "special" at any "particular" time. This thinking is what confuses many new to growing and creates the perpetual line of the same problems over and over again we see HERE. They "worry" and buy all sorts of overpriced and over hyped "designed for cannabis" nutrients and that's nothing but a LIE! While there are a very, very few actual nutrient lines that FORMULATE their RATIO'S to their feeding charts and they WORK. Sadly the vast majority of nutrient lines simply start "bloom" nutrients too soon and use too much! Right along with lowering N too early! It's like common flowers. They'll take what they need, when they need it, from the available stock in the soil.....People manipulate the amounts available.....Oh, and btw. It's NOT a "weed". People call it a "weed" but, a "weed" is not a botanical designation.

Bottom line for Cannabis growing. Treat it like a common tropical and you'll have the best success.

Like I say to new growers. Get an African Violet and grow it! When you get that to flower - You're ready to grow weed and not have problems - Be sure to buy and read several books on growing and if your going organic? Get Teaming with microbes and teaming with nutrition and read those while you learn your African violet needs.

Oh I agree it's one of the easiest plants to grow it's people that make it complicated

 

[Dr. Who]

Oh I agree it's one of the easiest plants to grow it's people that make it complicated

GOT THAT RIGHT!
See! Now we're gett'in along!

Take care man!

 

[bgmike8]

GOT THAT RIGHT!
See! Now we're gett'in along!

Take care man!

I'm in an aero tub. I use gh flora 3 part. My newbie thinking was to give them the max nutes but now I'm at 3/4 strength and the girls are fine.

What do you think of gh 3 part?
What do you think is the problem with bloom nutes too soon and nitrogen to low as you said a few posts ago?

 

[Dr. Who]

I'm in an aero tub. I use gh flora 3 part. My newbie thinking was to give them the max nutes but now I'm at 3/4 strength and the girls are fine.

What do you think of gh 3 part?
What do you think is the problem with bloom nutes too soon and nitrogen to low as you said a few posts ago?

Many growers feel that more is better. In many cases it's not so! Nutrient makers feeling the need to say we do it faster and make your product bigger, go over lines by actually hurting your plant. I feel these guys have unrealistic formulations and feeding charts that have you do things that might suggest yield increase but, in the end, do more harm then good.

The bulk of liquid nutrient makers are giving feeding charts that are telling you to "push" your plants hard at the flip and all through out the bloom.
Cannabis does use more P and K in bloom BUT, not till around the 3&4th week. Conversely, the plant will use less N BUT again, NOT till about week 4 in any major/meaningful way. You see the Plant at the flip will quickly begin to "stretch" (you've heard about that right? The plant can dbl or even triple in size in 2-4 weeks (bit longer for true or pure Sativa's). During this time the plant is using large amounts of N to produce this fast growth. These nutrient makers that reduce N and really boost the P&K are doing more harm then good and that manifests it's self in early yellowing of the plant. Starting from the bottom up and in severe cases right on into the buds!

The best nutrient makers will keep the N high and just tickle the P&K a little. In fact in my favorite synthetic line they don't just tickle the P&K a little, they tickled the N up a tic also! This "bloom" Npk level remained until week 4, when you added a P&K booster that gave you a 7.2 P and a 5.0 K lift that runs until the finish. This works much better in regards the actual needs of the plant and healthy growth.

There are 2 makers that I know of "right off hand" that formulate the nutrient to handle their feeding charts this way!
Sadly I know of several others that will add too much N in bloom to stall or slow down the yellowing but, in the end. It still happens and once it starts with that formulation and feeding chart. It comes on faster and stronger still giving you the same yellow out result. These guys I find to have some of the worst yellowing I've seen.

So, if your sharp. I just gave you information in the above explanation that you can take to the learning bank!

In time and gaining in experience,. You will one day feel the need to play with NPK levels looking for that sweet spot in adjusting them to your liking ,, and the plants for the best results that unlock plant potentials to be reached. Many of us here have our own methods that manipulate the NPK at differing levels and times to do that. This simply takes time and lots of learning to get to that level.....Example - "I" (and few others) Like higher K levels all through the grow! With certain strains I might, right at the end of week 5 - Hit it with a "blossom booster" With a rather high P&K level only once! It just takes time to figure this out - be patient and don't be afraid to try things ! Just do it prudently and in steps. Don't just take some makers word that "this or that" is your ultimate choice to give you the biggest/Bestest/fastest (yes there is a misspelling - on purpose) results!

As to your 3 part GH. It's a nice place to start! There are things from G&H that can make that 3 part a better more effective nutrient! Post that as a question and there are guys and gals here that know their 3 part and additives for it - inside and out! I'm sure you'll get some pointers....

Here's the bottom line hint:

NO switch to "Bloom" formulations till week 3!
At week 3, mix the veg and bloom formulations 50/50!
At week 4 - go to 100% bloom!

There is a nice start to finishing healthy and with a better crop quality!

Glad your here and happy learning !!!!

(Even though you've been here sense "09" and most likely know more then you let on in the post. I took this as a good way to post for newbies knowledge base)..

Grow on Mike

 

[bgmike8]

Thanks dude. Actually I was locked up for awhile. I had a grow that was a disaster. Now I'm on my second one. Mistakes made but should hopefully get a yield to keep me going.

I definetly fall into the catagory that more is better. i think it's intuitive. But reading more and more, I've dropped my nutes to 3/4 the recommended levels.

I already did the transition according to the feed chart because I went 12/12 today. It dropped the micro and grow a little and picked up the bloom.

So that's where I'm at now. But you think I should put a little more grow and micro in until week 4?
I will investigate this more when I have time

 

[bgmike8]

Many growers feel that more is better. In many cases it's not so! Nutrient makers feeling the need to say we do it faster and make your product bigger, go over lines by actually hurting your plant. I feel these guys have unrealistic formulations and feeding charts that have you do things that might suggest yield increase but, in the end, do more harm then good.

The bulk of liquid nutrient makers are giving feeding charts that are telling you to "push" your plants hard at the flip and all through out the bloom.
Cannabis does use more P and K in bloom BUT, not till around the 3&4th week. Conversely, the plant will use less N BUT again, NOT till about week 4 in any major/meaningful way. You see the Plant at the flip will quickly begin to "stretch" (you've heard about that right? The plant can dbl or even triple in size in 2-4 weeks (bit longer for true or pure Sativa's). During this time the plant is using large amounts of N to produce this fast growth. These nutrient makers that reduce N and really boost the P&K are doing more harm then good and that manifests it's self in early yellowing of the plant. Starting from the bottom up and in severe cases right on into the buds!

The best nutrient makers will keep the N high and just tickle the P&K a little. In fact in my favorite synthetic line they don't just tickle the P&K a little, they tickled the N up a tic also! This "bloom" Npk level remained until week 4, when you added a P&K booster that gave you a 7.2 P and a 5.0 K lift that runs until the finish. This works much better in regards the actual needs of the plant and healthy growth.

There are 2 makers that I know of "right off hand" that formulate the nutrient to handle their feeding charts this way!
Sadly I know of several others that will add too much N in bloom to stall or slow down the yellowing but, in the end. It still happens and once it starts with that formulation and feeding chart. It comes on faster and stronger still giving you the same yellow out result. These guys I find to have some of the worst yellowing I've seen.

So, if your sharp. I just gave you information in the above explanation that you can take to the learning bank!

In time and gaining in experience,. You will one day feel the need to play with NPK levels looking for that sweet spot in adjusting them to your liking ,, and the plants for the best results that unlock plant potentials to be reached. Many of us here have our own methods that manipulate the NPK at differing levels and times to do that. This simply takes time and lots of learning to get to that level.....Example - "I" (and few others) Like higher K levels all through the grow! With certain strains I might, right at the end of week 5 - Hit it with a "blossom booster" With a rather high P&K level only once! It just takes time to figure this out - be patient and don't be afraid to try things ! Just do it prudently and in steps. Don't just take some makers word that "this or that" is your ultimate choice to give you the biggest/Bestest/fastest (yes there is a misspelling - on purpose) results!

As to your 3 part GH. It's a nice place to start! There are things from G&H that can make that 3 part a better more effective nutrient! Post that as a question and there are guys and gals here that know their 3 part and additives for it - inside and out! I'm sure you'll get some pointers....

Here's the bottom line hint:

NO switch to "Bloom" formulations till week 3!
At week 3, mix the veg and bloom formulations 50/50!
At week 4 - go to 100% bloom!

There is a nice start to finishing healthy and with a better crop quality!

Glad your here and happy learning !!!!

(Even though you've been here sense "09" and most likely know more then you let on in the post. I took this as a good way to post for newbies knowledge base)..

Grow on Mike

I had already switched to the transition nutes when I first read this. Now I'm seeing alot of my tops are a yellowish green rather than the dark green before.

I'm doing a res change in a couple hours. Going back to the last veg recommended levels. I'm going to use r.o water that I've been using but I'm going to cut in some tap water that is 500 ppm and get the water to around 100 ppm. Hoping that will give it the cal mag it needs. ....

 

[bgmike8]

Many growers feel that more is better. In many cases it's not so! Nutrient makers feeling the need to say we do it faster and make your product bigger, go over lines by actually hurting your plant. I feel these guys have unrealistic formulations and feeding charts that have you do things that might suggest yield increase but, in the end, do more harm then good.

The bulk of liquid nutrient makers are giving feeding charts that are telling you to "push" your plants hard at the flip and all through out the bloom.
Cannabis does use more P and K in bloom BUT, not till around the 3&4th week. Conversely, the plant will use less N BUT again, NOT till about week 4 in any major/meaningful way. You see the Plant at the flip will quickly begin to "stretch" (you've heard about that right? The plant can dbl or even triple in size in 2-4 weeks (bit longer for true or pure Sativa's). During this time the plant is using large amounts of N to produce this fast growth. These nutrient makers that reduce N and really boost the P&K are doing more harm then good and that manifests it's self in early yellowing of the plant. Starting from the bottom up and in severe cases right on into the buds!

The best nutrient makers will keep the N high and just tickle the P&K a little. In fact in my favorite synthetic line they don't just tickle the P&K a little, they tickled the N up a tic also! This "bloom" Npk level remained until week 4, when you added a P&K booster that gave you a 7.2 P and a 5.0 K lift that runs until the finish. This works much better in regards the actual needs of the plant and healthy growth.

There are 2 makers that I know of "right off hand" that formulate the nutrient to handle their feeding charts this way!
Sadly I know of several others that will add too much N in bloom to stall or slow down the yellowing but, in the end. It still happens and once it starts with that formulation and feeding chart. It comes on faster and stronger still giving you the same yellow out result. These guys I find to have some of the worst yellowing I've seen.

So, if your sharp. I just gave you information in the above explanation that you can take to the learning bank!

In time and gaining in experience,. You will one day feel the need to play with NPK levels looking for that sweet spot in adjusting them to your liking ,, and the plants for the best results that unlock plant potentials to be reached. Many of us here have our own methods that manipulate the NPK at differing levels and times to do that. This simply takes time and lots of learning to get to that level.....Example - "I" (and few others) Like higher K levels all through the grow! With certain strains I might, right at the end of week 5 - Hit it with a "blossom booster" With a rather high P&K level only once! It just takes time to figure this out - be patient and don't be afraid to try things ! Just do it prudently and in steps. Don't just take some makers word that "this or that" is your ultimate choice to give you the biggest/Bestest/fastest (yes there is a misspelling - on purpose) results!

As to your 3 part GH. It's a nice place to start! There are things from G&H that can make that 3 part a better more effective nutrient! Post that as a question and there are guys and gals here that know their 3 part and additives for it - inside and out! I'm sure you'll get some pointers....

Here's the bottom line hint:

NO switch to "Bloom" formulations till week 3!
At week 3, mix the veg and bloom formulations 50/50!
At week 4 - go to 100% bloom!

There is a nice start to finishing healthy and with a better crop quality!

Glad your here and happy learning !!!!

(Even though you've been here sense "09" and most likely know more then you let on in the post. I took this as a good way to post for newbies knowledge base)..

Grow on Mike

Hey. You say go 100% bloom. What about the micro?

 

[Dr. Who]

Hey. You say go 100% bloom. What about the micro?

You follow the chart for bloom! No more mixing "bloom and Veg" - understand?

I don't trust that shit either when I ran synthetic, even today with water only soil, I still add good kelp extract at least once a week!
Micro's and a host of other good things = KELP EXTRACT!

Believe it! Use it! Live it!