EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

londonfog

londonfog

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Fogdog said:
Your and my discussion came about when I said that Bernie is the more popular candidate nationwide. Also I say that Bernie attracts people from across the political aisles, including liberal Democrats, independents and disaffected Republicans. News stories indicate this but also polling data says this. You refuted this not with your vaunted information that you hold as absolute knowledge but by snorting derisively about "polls". So, rather than refute with a negative, what information do you have that refutes what I said?
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election results
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
You drive using the rear view mirror?

Both are true. Clinton has more votes than Bernie in Democratic primaries.. Bernie is a better candidate nationwide.
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And in fact I enjoy the debate because we both keep it civil and bring interesting tidbits of information to the discussion as often as we can. Thus I'm enlightened and educated in ways I would not be if I confined my perspective to my sycophants.

And another thing; if we continually overrule the popular candidate because of arcane shenanigans in the operations of the parties themselves throughout the nomination process, how can we Americans seriously look ourselves in the mirror and keep calling our country a democracy?!
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
You drive using the rear view mirror?

Both are true. Clinton has more votes than Bernie in Democratic primaries.. Bernie is a better candidate nationwide.
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There is actually a specific but simple reason. I posted the article awhile ago.

Hillary has more primary-wise votes because not everyone is allowed to vote.

Bernie has more support overall and if ALL the electorate were allowed to vote the primary numbers would reflect same.

The General will be the game changer for Sanders if he is not the Dem nom..he will run as Independent if necessary.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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schuylaar said:
There is actually a specific but simple reason. I posted the article awhile ago.

Hillary has more primary-wise votes because not everyone is allowed to vote.

Bernie has more support overall and if ALL the electorate were allowed to vote the primary numbers would reflect same.

The General will be the game changer for Sanders if he is not the Dem nom..he will run as Independent if necessary.
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no proof to this. Who knows who these people would have voted for
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Fogdog said:
You drive using the rear view mirror?

Both are true. Clinton has more votes than Bernie in Democratic primaries.. Bernie is a better candidate nationwide.
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It is all about who can get the people to actually get out to vote. Everything else is ... JUST TALK
The people have chosen Hillary. Bernie ran a great race and brought to notice important issues, but he still has been rejected by the majority.
 
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schuylaar

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londonfog said:
It is all about who can get the people to actually get out to vote. Everything else is ... JUST TALK
The people have chosen Hillary. Bernie ran a great race and brought to notice important issues, but he still has been rejected by the majority.
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What about the people who 'got out to vote' only to be told they couldn't?

That's why the primary and national numbers don't match. They're supposed to. Look at Trumps numbers, they match..
 
londonfog

londonfog

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schuylaar said:
What about the people who 'got out to vote' only to be told they couldn't?

That's why the primary and national numbers don't match. They're supposed to. Look at Trumps numbers, they match..
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I know this chick who started a hot hitting thread on Aug 8, 2015 for Bernie, which means she knew about the Bern long before the deadline to register. Guess what. She did not even take the time to make sure her registration was up to date and ready. It is not like these were new rules in her State. She was excited about Bernie, but not excited enough to make sure she could vote.
Whose fault is that ??? THE CHICKS
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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londonfog said:
It is all about who can get the people to actually get out to vote. Everything else is ... JUST TALK
The people have chosen Hillary. Bernie ran a great race and brought to notice important issues, but he still has been rejected by the majority.
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It wasn't an even race, so I can't say it was all about the people choosing. Personally, I don't think Bernie gave it enough time. He jumped into the fray too late. The Senator From Vermont was practically unknown a year ago. That said, I totally agree with you that this race is about accumulating wins in each state and Bernie couldn't get it done. So, its time to move on. I'll consider voting for Bernie the independent if that comes about.

So tell me, all I've heard from you is how we should vote for Hillary because Hillary is the winner. Its a circular argument. Do you have any good things to say skeptics like me who are open to the idea of voting for Hillary regarding Hillary's platform or your expectations of what she can do for the country when she becomes president? Is it just about Bernie's stance on taxes for you? If so, why should I vote for her? And please no circular arguments.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Fogdog said:
It wasn't an even race, so I can't say it was all about the people choosing. Personally, I don't think Bernie gave it enough time. He jumped into the fray too late. The Senator From Vermont was practically unknown a year ago. That said, I totally agree with you that this race is about accumulating wins in each state and Bernie couldn't get it done. So, its time to move on. I'll consider voting for Bernie the independent if that comes about.

So tell me, all I've heard from you is how we should vote for Hillary because Hillary is the winner. Its a circular argument. Do you have any good things to say skeptics like me who are open to the idea of voting for Hillary regarding Hillary's platform or your expectations of what she can do for the country when she becomes president? Is it just about Bernie's stance on taxes for you? If so, why should I vote for her? And please no circular arguments.
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We can agree that Bernie started too late and didn't catch on quick enough.
I will vote for Hillary for the SCOTUS picks. I'm seeing at least two maybe three coming up.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
There is actually a specific but simple reason. I posted the article awhile ago.

Hillary has more primary-wise votes because not everyone is allowed to vote.

Bernie has more support overall and if ALL the electorate were allowed to vote the primary numbers would reflect same.

The General will be the game changer for Sanders if he is not the Dem nom..he will run as Independent if necessary.
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The primaries are open or closed depending on each state. Its up to each person to know the rules. People registered as "Independent" or Republican in Oregon had until April 27 to change registration. It was posted in local newpapers and available online. People who didn't register as Democrat cannot vote for a Democratic Party candidate in the up coming primary.

That's the rules and its not some underhanded way to exclude people. It is a way to exclude people so I don't like it but its done in the open and it is easy enough to change registration. So, its not corrupt. However, maybe it is time to get rid of closed primaries because they are exclusionary.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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londonfog said:
If Bernie were winning I would be voting for him.
I think now it is time to understand the writing on the wall and do no harm to the party.
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Yours is a good reason but not enough for me. If the party continues its movement to the right, then I'm stepping off the bus.
 
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NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
Yours is a good reason but not enough for me. If the party continues its movement to the right, then I'm stepping off the bus.
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This makes no sense. Hillary is moving left, not right. She will move back to center for the election and then she will do the highest bidders will.
 
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