Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

bizfactory

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How's that working? Do you feel you could use one Maxi and several drippers?
Well, so far so good but the sides could use a bit more even spread with the distribution drippers. I actually have a bunch of those but never hooked them up.

I dialed the spiked down this morning, so if they continue to look better and better, maybe the solution is 2 maxis turned down but with 3 distro drippers each. 6 total drip points around the pot. The reason I never actually used the distros is just because they are tiny and you pretty much need to have them elevated to stay out of the mulch and any top dressing.
 

elkamino

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All true. Unfortunately people put Coot, and others on pedestals as if they were gods.
Of all the idolized people in this world. Coot is the one RIU Advertiser MileHighGlassPipes feels compelled to diss. Without substantiating.

I have seen many people run into issues with the standard coot neem/karanja, kelp, alfalfa, ewc, regime. I first saw it with people in warehouses, and now am seeing it more in smaller growers.
I can't show you as I don't use coots method. I have seen people have issues though.
Just joined today and most of his 6 posts are to trash Coot. He can kiss my organic ass
If you have joined to trash Coot, DO IT. Tell us what these "issues" are. I don't care if he's wrong about something, and if he is I wish you'd elaborate because we're al just putting this together as we go along. Neem has been good for me, and I never have a gnat problem, but maybe there's something better?

Of course you know Coots didn't discover neem, wasn't the first to suggest it, isn't the reason there's an international neem meal/oil industry, right?

Anyway. What do you bring to the ROLS thread except rumors? All you got is that you "have seen many people with issues..."

I encourage you to back it up. Or shut up. Advance the thread or go elsewhere.:joint:
 

MistaRasta

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All true. Unfortunately people put Coot, and others on pedestals as if they were gods. I come from a standard organic agriculture background. Not growing cannabis. Cannabis is only one of the things I grow. In standard agriculture coot's practices are a non-starter. Have you ever seen a farmer spray a hundred acre's of corn with aloe? Have you ever seen 20 acres of tomatos top dressed with malted barley? You get the drift.

I have conversed with coot(on social media). I do not hide what I say, and I do not change what I say because of a supposed status a person has. I was the one that tested neem cake, and have successfully grown fungus gnats in it. completely contrary to what everyone talks about. I first did this 4 years ago. Thus I don;t use it.

Right now, coot's style is the current fad with the cannabis growers. It will change. It always does.

What fad will be next? In all honesty theirs' only so many amendments and ways to use them.. I started out with super soil, figured out I don't like all the dirty amendments so I opted for coots mix and Come out with a much cleaner smoother product..

Tbh, it's not Coots' problem if people treat the guy like shit or treat him as a "God." The guy came to the cannabis community, shared his information and that's all he intended to do. Use his method or don't, but I bet you a mil you make a tweeked version of it..

I'm noticing a trend of hate towards neem, I think it's more-so the price tag. try to remember that we don't only use neem as an insecticide but for many other things as well..
 
Coots techniques have been peer reviewed by leading research universities, and third party verified by unbiased testing facilities?

Its funny when you go against the trends how people react.

I'm trashing coot? OK.... I never said one thing about coot personally. I am questioning the validity of some of his techniques.

As have many other people. I will repeat myself as it seems some people shut off their ears when someone says something the don't agree with.

I have seen people have good results, and I have seen people have not so good of results. There are a million ways to skin a cat, its your choice on how to do that.
 

elkamino

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Its funny when you go against the trends how people react.
Funny? Trends? You still haven't substantiated anything, shit-talker. Like most others I come here to learn, not to try and pry something substantive from thoughtless, dime-a-dozen dooshbags.

I have seen people have good results, and I have seen people have not so good of results.
So... you've "seen" some good grows, some bad grows, won't discuss em but still assume the problems lie in the soil recipe and not environment, lights, grower attentiveness, etc. Brilliant analysis

You're a shit-talking troll with nothing to offer except a holier-than-thou attitude and bad-juju glass, RIU Advertiser MileHighGlassPipes. <>IGNORE<>
 

genuity

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When I first ran Coots nutrient kit, it was not mixed for a sunshine#4 type medium. ...but in a pure soil base,it rocks the boat for sure...

Now they got the mix for #4 type medium mix,and it is just fine..
 

Midwest Weedist

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The only problems that arise from coots mix are wet works errors. The same arguments against coot are the same arguments I hear about organics, i.e. "I fucked up now I'm going to blame the method". Which isn't to say Coots method(s) are perfect, nothing is, absolutes are bullshit.
I see people bash notill all the time because they can't grow monster plants in 1 gallon planters. "WTF muh plantz r yelowing 1st week of 1212. plz halp!!1"
The biggest issue in all seriousness is that people don't understand what QUALITY means in regards to compost. You can't cut corners and expect gold from shit, this isn't alchemy as much as some of the community would like it to be. Coots methods are quantitative by our current tech, they're measurable and proven effective. He's not some internet joe schmo pulling up pdfs and reading til he can grasp it, this is something he has a formal education in for crying out loud lol. He's definitely not a god, he can even be a bit of an ass when you talk to him online (Join the club haha), but his knowledge is accurate and definitely effective.
 

2ANONYMOUS

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How's that working? Do you feel you could use one Maxi and several drippers?
I am trying to figure out how to or what i can use to monitor 300 gallons of soil blumats are ok for top but looking at other alternatives for deep soil moisture and monitoring
  • Depth and amount of irrigation,
  • Root activity and development,
  • Extent of watertables within or just below a crop's root zone,
  • Irrigation timing and forecasting based on water use (known as irrigation scheduling),
  • Movement of solutes (salts) through the soil profile,
  • Soil temperature.
This is what i am in search for presently for my green house this year blumats are great but i want deep water feeding instead of just top i want to know my root activity and development as well as bunch more

So if anyone has any ideas or grows almond trees there using this tech i need to speak with you please pm me

Anyways couple updates getting all my solar panels up n running for green house power etc pumps exhaust fans and monitoring equipment auto feed running 6000
liters of totes Water and also couple pictures of my No till flowering girls green house will be no till water only and my nutrient line i am making and hoping to market in next year or so
a new meaning to Liquid Gold 100 % pure vegan organic nute line so far it appears to be kicking ass lol but green house grow is the documented grow with variety of veggies as well one feed every 2 weeks till harvest. from start to finish on any veggie or house plant she will be amazing :)
just like my flowering girls my nutes which i hope to market can go from 150 ppm to 2000 ppm and stay ph constant 6.5 IMG3195.jpg IMG3241.jpg IMG3233.jpg IMG3219.jpg IMG3232.jpg IMG3231.jpg IMG3153.jpg IMG3206.jpg
 

elkamino

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I am trying to figure out how to or what i can use to monitor 300 gallons of soil blumats are ok for top but looking at other alternatives for deep soil moisture and monitoring
  • Depth and amount of irrigation,
  • Root activity and development,
  • Extent of watertables within or just below a crop's root zone,
  • Irrigation timing and forecasting based on water use (known as irrigation scheduling),
  • Movement of solutes (salts) through the soil profile,
  • Soil temperature.
This is what i am in search for presently for my green house this year blumats are great but i want deep water feeding instead of just top i want to know my root activity and development as well as bunch more

So if anyone has any ideas or grows almond trees there using this tech i need to speak with you please pm me

Anyways couple updates getting all my solar panels up n running for green house power etc pumps exhaust fans and monitoring equipment auto feed running 6000
liters of totes Water and also couple pictures of my No till flowering girls green house will be no till water only and my nutrient line i am making and hoping to market in next year or so
a new meaning to Liquid Gold 100 % pure vegan organic nute line so far it appears to be kicking ass lol but green house grow is the documented grow with variety of veggies as well one feed every 2 weeks till harvest. from start to finish on any veggie or house plant she will be amazing :)
just like my flowering girls my nutes which i hope to market can go from 150 ppm to 2000 ppm and stay ph constant 6.5 View attachment 3639686 View attachment 3639687 View attachment 3639688 View attachment 3639691 View attachment 3639693 View attachment 3639694 View attachment 3639701 View attachment 3639702
SUPER impressive @2ANONYMOUS and good luck on the product release and timeline. bongsmilie

Willing to share what will be in your vegan nute line? :D Or what will be listed on the label?
 

Midwest Weedist

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Alright guys, ran into something that's mostly got me scratching my head. I've got a pretty sativa heavy pheno of dark shadow haze from raredankness that at about 2-3 weeks in flower all the pistils died back and almost no additional growth gas taken place since (I've found literally less than 15 on the whole plant that aren't dead and shriveled.
At week 2 I found a small amount of spider mites roaming around my tent, I believe from some comfrey/herbs I used as a topdress. Gave every plant a light neem, garlic, aloe foliar the first day then just aloe and silica for the next 10 days with some essential oils from herbs tossed in occassionally (homegrown,m not the uber concentrated stuff you buy from a vendor). After that I haven't seen a single mite or egg, I really would know as I spent an hour per plant a night using my loupe to look for them. All my other girls actually seemed to benefit from the foliars. But the haze from RD didn't or possibly the mites did more damage than I thought?
I don't really know. All I know is that there is no visible damage except the receded pistils. Leaves are carrying a bit more N than I'd like but I think that's because she's been stalled out for weeks now. Dunno.
Little disapointed in essentially loosing a heavy sat like this but I'm really more curious as to what's REALLY happening.

Any ideas?
 

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Alright guys, ran into something that's mostly got me scratching my head. I've got a pretty sativa heavy pheno of dark shadow haze from raredankness that at about 2-3 weeks in flower all the pistils died back and almost no additional growth gas taken place since (I've found literally less than 15 on the whole plant that aren't dead and shriveled.
At week 2 I found a small amount of spider mites roaming around my tent, I believe from some comfrey/herbs I used as a topdress. Gave every plant a light neem, garlic, aloe foliar the first day then just aloe and silica for the next 10 days with some essential oils from herbs tossed in occassionally (homegrown,m not the uber concentrated stuff you buy from a vendor). After that I haven't seen a single mite or egg, I really would know as I spent an hour per plant a night using my loupe to look for them. All my other girls actually seemed to benefit from the foliars. But the haze from RD didn't or possibly the mites did more damage than I thought?
I don't really know. All I know is that there is no visible damage except the receded pistils. Leaves are carrying a bit more N than I'd like but I think that's because she's been stalled out for weeks now. Dunno.
Little disapointed in essentially loosing a heavy sat like this but I'm really more curious as to what's REALLY happening.

Any ideas?
Have you flowered her before, or is this the first time running her?

I have seen burnt pistols with heavier neem, esenstial oils, pyrethrin, etc., However it doesn't sound like you did anything that would have done. that.
 

Midwest Weedist

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Have you flowered her before, or is this the first time running her?

I have seen burnt pistols with heavier neem, esenstial oils, pyrethrin, etc., However it doesn't sound like you did anything that would have done. that.
First time, she's from seed too. There's a part of me that wants to blame the seed bank because every seed from them has been wack. The Durban Poison is throwing verigated growth, the afghanis from them did the same with fasciated growth and stalled at the end of bloom, other beans didn't make it past the seedling stage without dying or showing horrible mutations. But I'd rather say it was my error before I blame another person.
I was ready to bkame the neem at first but it was such a light solution that Idk how that would be possible unless this pheno was just a super sensitive sativa
 
First time, she's from seed too. There's a part of me that wants to blame the seed bank because every seed from them has been wack. The Durban Poison is throwing verigated growth, the afghanis from them did the same with fasciated growth and stalled at the end of bloom, other beans didn't make it past the seedling stage without dying or showing horrible mutations. But I'd rather say it was my error before I blame another person.
I was ready to bkame the neem at first but it was such a light solution that Idk how that would be possible unless this pheno was just a super sensitive sativa
That's why I asked. usually when you burn with neem it's all of the plants. Being that it is just that plant I was going to suggest genetics. Only way to tell for sure is flower her again. That is assuming you made cuts of here.
 
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