Do you believe the American government is at war with Islamic extremism or Islam as a whole?

Do you believe the American government is at war with Muslim extremism or Islam as a whole?

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londonfog

londonfog

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Padawanbater2 said:
In "the war on terror", president Bush vocalized his opinion shortly after 9/11;


Obama has since seemingly agreed;


In your opinion, do you think addressing foreign terrorism by addressing the most extremist factions of Islam - Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, the Tamil Tigers, etc.. that, according to president Obama and former president Bush are responsible for altering the perception of Islam in the west is the most effective way to eliminate international terrorism, or do you think Bush and Obama are wrong and that Islam, as a religion as a whole, is to blame for foreign terrorism? Why?
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ask Doer. He is the resident expert and he has the created threads to prove it.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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I can't help but feel we use extremists as an excuse for war when really what we are doing is fighting against "not democracy" and supporting cronyism. I can't ignore the calls for "war lite" against Assad for gassing his people then a year later we are fighting a "war lite" FOR him.

Like tty said, Eisenhower tried to warn us.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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ttystikk said:
America is currently at war with itself- and cynically uses the War On Terror as the means to extract billions in taxes from the lower classes in order to fund outlandishly expensive weapons and campaigns... that enrich the upper class.

The Muslims are just the bogeymen du jour in an endless fight to continue endless war (fought with soldiers hailing from the lower class) and thereby continue endless funneling of money into the pockets of the rich.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/new-evidence-suggests-that-the-rich-own-our-democracy.html

Did y'all know that the drug wars in Mexico are killing more people than all the conflicts in the middle east combined? Nobody cares because THAT isn't an excuse to pump up the profits of America's war machine.

I'm not being cynical; these are the facts on the ground.
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That's it right there. War is very profitable for the folks that sit at the top. Our military no longer "protects" us, they are a tool of corporate America.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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ttystikk said:
What say you to my suggestions for change?
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I agree with everything you wrote.... particularly neutering the ability of the wealthy few to influence elections and policy.

Considering that corporate America is in bed with (almost) every member of capitol hill, and even the supreme court has become a partisan institution.... how would you go about changing things? IMO Americans are too soft and complacent to undergo any type of civil uprising. It would take a Martin Luther King type figure to occupy the White House and shine a light on all of this. Even then, that type of person would likely be assassinated inside of the 1'st year in office.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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st0wandgrow said:
I agree with everything you wrote.... particularly neutering the ability of the wealthy few to influence elections and policy.

Considering that corporate America is in bed with (almost) every member of capitol hill, and even the supreme court has become a partisan institution.... how would you go about changing things? IMO Americans are too soft and complacent to undergo any type of civil uprising. It would take a Martin Luther King type figure to occupy the White House and shine a light on all of this. Even then, that type of person would likely be assassinated inside of the 1'st year in office.
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I've answered that question, above. They can't shoot ALL of us, and in fact shooting ANY of us over this will lead to exactly the kind of millions screaming in the streets protests they're terrified of- because then the politicians will have no choice.

Until then however, it's business as usual... after all, no one went to jail over the credit default swap scandal, or the malfeasance that led to the housing meltdown... and no one has gone to jail for the crimes that led to the financial meltdown.

This stands in stark contrast to events after the crash of 1929...
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
Do you believe Islam should exist?

If you do, to what extent exactly? Completely private, as in Muslims should not be allowed to pray in public? Somewhat restricted, as in Muslims should only be allowed to pray at their Mosques or homes? Or totally equal, as in Muslims can practice their religion wherever they want?

It's pretty clear you already believe Islamic worship should be a private affair... The only reason I ask is because you seem to be somewhat of a US constitutionalist while simultaneously hating the USA, which is fair enough, this thread isn't about your own personal beliefs and I can't say I disagree with them in a few aspects.. Moving on though.. Do you believe free men and women should be allowed the right to their own personal beliefs? How should a free man in the US who believes in Sharia Law conduct himself? (If this applies to you) How do you reconcile your belief that free men should be able to practice their religion freely, while simultaneously believing that a man's religion is the supreme law of the land - at least to him anyway? You say this, they say that, so who's right, in the end?
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I say it should have no part in public (ie political) life or in places described as "public places".

I should also be able to believe "Smaug the Dragon" chases unicorns on Jupiters second moon, it doesnt mean I should be allowed walk around shouting it in peoples ears, obstruct pathways, etc.

On their land/property/etc then whatever, in temples/churches, also whatever.

It should ESPECIALLY not play any part in politics tho, that should solely be the domain of pragmatism and fact.

The US Constitution has lots of good parts and some bad parts, its a good document overall tho.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Harrekin said:
I say it should have no part in public (ie political) life or in places described as "public places".

I should also be able to believe "Smaug the Dragon" chases unicorns on Jupiters second moon, it doesnt mean I should be allowed walk around shouting it in peoples ears, obstruct pathways, etc.

On their land/property/etc then whatever, in temples/churches, also whatever.

It should ESPECIALLY not play any part in politics tho, that should solely be the domain of pragmatism and fact.

The US Constitution has lots of good parts and some bad parts, its a good document overall tho.
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I just wish we could figure out how to live up to it.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
America is currently at war with itself- and cynically uses the War On Terror as the means to extract billions in taxes from the lower classes in order to fund outlandishly expensive weapons and campaigns... that enrich the upper class.

The Muslims are just the bogeymen du jour in an endless fight to continue endless war (fought with soldiers hailing from the lower class) and thereby continue endless funneling of money into the pockets of the rich.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/new-evidence-suggests-that-the-rich-own-our-democracy.html

Did y'all know that the drug wars in Mexico are killing more people than all the conflicts in the middle east combined? Nobody cares because THAT isn't an excuse to pump up the profits of America's war machine.

I'm not being cynical; these are the facts on the ground.
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This is a great post!
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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ttystikk said:
I just wish we could figure out how to live up to it.
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Its well overdue that we start the transition, even my son laughs at religious people for being retarded.

When the time came I asked him straight out "do you believe a bearded man with magical powers sits above the clouds somewhere writing down all the bad stuff you've done?"

His answer?

"Why would such a being even care what we do?"

He's a child and already has more common sense than 80% of the worlds population.
 
Doer

Doer

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ttystikk said:
America is currently at war with itself- and cynically uses the War On Terror as the means to extract billions in taxes from the lower classes in order to fund outlandishly expensive weapons and campaigns... that enrich the upper class.

The Muslims are just the bogeymen du jour in an endless fight to continue endless war (fought with soldiers hailing from the lower class) and thereby continue endless funneling of money into the pockets of the rich.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/new-evidence-suggests-that-the-rich-own-our-democracy.html

Did y'all know that the drug wars in Mexico are killing more people than all the conflicts in the middle east combined? Nobody cares because THAT isn't an excuse to pump up the profits of America's war machine.

I'm not being cynical; these are the facts on the ground.
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Canada is perfect, right?
 
Doer

Doer

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Enots said:
I believe Obama is in bed with the muslim brotherhood.
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How can that be? Where you not in the game when Obama sent Hillary and the Brotherhood was outlawed and now hunted like dogs?

Were do the thralls on both sides get this stuff? Get the facts straight.
 
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