ADVANCED NUTRIENTS: Jungle Juice!

[Shithousechef]

I used GH 3-part and it worked really well. (I followed the so-called "useless" schedule.). Got tired of the tedium of 3 bottles, paying the supply-chain cost of water.

You mentioned organic. I went the same direction. I wasn't enthused with the prospect of baking my own soil, brewing teas, etc. I considered the "boutique" lineups from General Organics, Roots Organic, etc. But, those seemed like gouging again. Just didn't feel right to me the same way GH's "lineup" didn't (although I only used 3-part. I didn't go in for all the other products on the "schedule."). Also read these products don't produce as well as true (DIY?) organic.

Anyway, I settled on Grow More Sea Grow. It contains organic sources, dry, and inexpensive like the often touted Jack's Classic. It costs about $1 per plant. I immediately tasted the richer/deeper taste organic people talk about.

The only problem I had was feeding too much, leading to salt build up and acidic soil. After cutting back, everything's working perfect. It took me a long time to figure that out because I was use to GH 3-part's more immediate response to overfeeding. With Sea Grow (any organic nutrient?) it may not manifest itself as burnt tips, just a slow acidification.

You might try that. It's cheap, not a big buy-in to try it. It's a nice in-between (between Jack's Classic and full-blown organic). Nobody would accuse Grow More of being an over-hyped rip-off. You rarely hear of them, and their web site seems to be geared more toward large-scale farming than hobbyists.

Thank you, I'm going to read up on that. Over all the idea of consuming organic grown everything (as much as possible) is very appealing to me. Chemicals in any form are beginning to be a scary turn off to me. Besides my indoor garden I do an all organic vegetable garden for myself and to share with neighbors. Good stuff

 

[TonightYou]

Thank you, I'm going to read up on that. Over all the idea of consuming organic grown everything (as much as possible) is very appealing to me. Chemicals in any form are beginning to be a scary turn off to me. Besides my indoor garden I do an all organic vegetable garden for myself and to share with neighbors. Good stuff

Ya know organic is chemical too right? Some of them can be very deadly as well. Don't let something you don't understand scare ya, do some research.

 

[az2000]

Even studies shown with non cannabis related produce there is no difference and people claiming they could tell... well couldn't when tested.

I agree with the other parts of your post. But, I'd like to say that my friends noticed the richer/smoother/deeper taste and I hadn't even told them to expect anything. A couple of people didn't even know I'd changed nutrients and they commented.

I still have bud from my GH 3-part grows. There's definitely a sharper taste which I now identify as harsher. It's not "bad." Some people may prefer that taste. I liken the Sea Grow bud to tobacco. It's deep and rich, savory. My first impression was the fifth taste in culinary arts: umani. Not sweet, sour, salt, bitter. But, richness.

For $20 to buy 2lb jars of Sea Grow, give it a try. That's one test that can't be commented on without doing it.

 

[TonightYou]

I agree with the other parts of your post. But, I'd like to say that my friends noticed the richer/smoother/deeper taste and I hadn't even told them to expect anything. A couple of people didn't even know I'd changed nutrients and they commented.

I still have bud from my GH 3-part grows. There's definitely a sharper taste which I now identify as harsher. It's not "bad." Some people may prefer that taste. I liken the Sea Grow bud to tobacco. It's deep and rich, savory. My first impression was the fifth taste in culinary arts: umani. Not sweet, sour, salt, bitter. But, richness.

For $20 to buy 2lb jars of Sea Grow, give it a try. That's one test that can't be commented on without doing it.

Simply could be placebo effect, or you grew the plants better/dry and cure. Coorelation != causation

 

[az2000]

Besides my indoor garden I do an all organic vegetable garden for myself and to share with neighbors. Good stuff

PM me whenever you want the details to what I'm currently feeding. As a primer, I use Sea Grow All Purpose, Flower & Bloom, and Hawaiian Bud (not organic). I use this spreadsheet (<<link) to target certain NPK ratios in veg and flower, but I doubt it's too important. It makes me feel I'm engaged and in control. This site has a feeding schedule here. (<<link). The spreadsheet was handy to unwind those dosages into NPK values and see what's really happening. (For example, I thought his exclusive use of Flower & Bloom at 1-6.5-6.5 NPK was too imbalanced. But, the spreadsheet showed me how Maxi-Cal's high N content made it more reasonable 1-3.7-2.6.

 

[TonightYou]

PM me whenever you want the details to what I'm currently feeding. As a primer, I use Sea Grow All Purpose, Flower & Bloom, and Hawaiian Bud (not organic). I use this spreadsheet (<<link) to target certain NPK ratios in veg and flower, but I doubt it's too important. It makes me feel I'm engaged and in control. This site has a feeding schedule here. (<<link). The spreadsheet was handy to unwind those dosages into NPK values and see what's really happening. (For example, I thought his exclusive use of Flower & Bloom at 1-6.5-6.5 NPK was too imbalanced. But, the spreadsheet showed me how Maxi-Cal's high N content made it more reasonable 1-3.7-2.6.

I take notes on my gals, I just don't follow a schedule. I start fertilizing at the first true leaves for instance. But my notes focus more on the plant itself and not its feeding schedule. If I had more plants or a larger garden, I may include feedings but really I just learn to read my plants. Basically know when lock out occurs for specific uptake (these are usually caused by imbalanced fertilizers as the range of up take for all required micro and macro overlap), what deficiencies look like, and what over fertilization looks like, which is usually fairly obvious.

Just based on the numbers you've posted, I wouldn't use those products because the ratios are just out of whack

 

[Shithousechef]

Ya know organic is chemical too right? Some of them can be very deadly as well. Don't let something you don't understand scare ya, do some research.

No, I'm not saying some organic line... I am aware that things that grow and occur in nature aren't always safe but I'd rather go that route than metals and bs. Going old school, fish emulsions and molasses

 

[Shithousechef]

I'll support organic chemicals

 

[Shithousechef]

I'll just see how ad jungle juice two part does against the cns17 I usually use. Something about being able adjust the npk levels during different flowering times makes sense to me... Maybe I'll buy some Jack's and do a three way comparison before going organic... Damn

 

[TonightYou]

I'll just see how ad jungle juice two part does against the cns17 I usually use. Something about being able adjust the npk levels during different flowering times makes sense to me... Maybe I'll buy some Jack's and do a three way comparison before going organic... Damn

You will end up throwing the rest of the fertilizers in the bin. No reason to fiddle with things, you will just have to keep fiddling. Only thing I've noticed with longer flowering strains is to back off feeding around week 9 and feeding less at once but with higher frequency. Otherwise I've found sativa Dom strains seem to reflower.

I'd enjoy watching that show though, I know where I'd place my bets

 

[Growerguy420]

You will end up throwing the rest of the fertilizers in the bin. No reason to fiddle with things, you will just have to keep fiddling. Only thing I've noticed with longer flowering strains is to back off feeding around week 9 and feeding less at once but with higher frequency. Otherwise I've found sativa Dom strains seem to reflower.

I'd enjoy watching that show though, I know where I'd place my bets

I am never here to put anyone person down my gripe is with these snake oil companies and their fancy marketing ploys to reel in the vulnerable consumer and take advantage of them.

It's funny because you know if JR Peters (jacks) wanted to advertise in the cannabis market (which obviously they wouldn't do anytime soon) they would put everyone else out of business. I think part of the reason people gravitate towards the canna specific nute companies over jacks (other than the organic argument) is because they are canna specific so they have the feed chart and consumers feel they can contact the company with questions. With jacks people have to actually learn and experiment on their own because there isn't a feed chart (which I wouldn't recommend anyway) and you wouldn't want to call jacks and ask them how to best use their product for growing weed. Nowadays you go on these forums or YouTube and there are tons of posts of people using the canna products that you can watch and follow what they do. You don't see anyone doing that with jacks. I think if someone were to create a thread titled Jacks growing tips and advice then some of us using those products can provide insight on what works to people who would actually consider using it. Instead of constantly providing help in these threads to someone using snake juices and wondering why they are having issues in mid flower but don't want to try using these suggestions, for reasons I can't seem to understand other than either ignorance or afraid to try something new...it's stilly for people like TonightYou or Uncle Ben to answer people's questions on how to fix their issues and when they say to switch to a more balanced nutrient you don't do It. I always say guys like Uncle Ben and TonightYou are wasting their breath but maybe in a thread titled jacks there will be people actually willing to listen and try things that are proven to work. If there were a thread directed towards jacks use and standard botany techniques (no feed charts, flushing or defoliation), I would be happy to offer insight

 

[TonightYou]

I am never here to put anyone person down my gripe is with these snake oil companies and their fancy marketing ploys to reel in the vulnerable consumer and take advantage of them.

It's funny because you know if JR Peters (jacks) wanted to advertise in the cannabis market (which obviously they wouldn't do anytime soon) they would put everyone else out of business. I think part of the reason people gravitate towards the canna specific nute companies over jacks (other than the organic argument) is because they are canna specific so they have the feed chart and consumers feel they can contact the company with questions. With jacks people have to actually learn and experiment on their own because there isn't a feed chart (which I wouldn't recommend anyway) and you wouldn't want to call jacks and ask them how to best use their product for growing weed. Nowadays you go on these forums or YouTube and there are tons of posts of people using the canna products that you can watch and follow what they do. You don't see anyone doing that with jacks. I think if someone were to create a thread titled Jacks growing tips and advice then some of us using those products can provide insight on what works to people who would actually consider using it. Instead of constantly providing help in these threads to someone using snake juices and wondering why they are having issues in mid flower but don't want to try using these suggestions, for reasons I can't seem to understand other than either ignorance or afraid to try something new...it's stilly for people like TonightYou or Uncle Ben to answer people's questions on how to fix their issues and when they say to switch to to more balanced nutrient you don't do It. I always say guys like Uncle Ben and TonightYou are wasting their breath but maybe in a thread titled jacks there will be people actually willing to listen and try things that are proven to work. If there were a thread directed towards jacks use and standard botany techniques (no feed charts, flushing or defoliation), I would be happy to offer insight

I thought uncle Ben was wasting his breath, but on the other hand if it wasn't for him stressing the importance of balance and avoiding the trap falls of marketing, that no product is going to change your yield or quality, it may have taken me longer to make the switch. Boy that's a long run on sentence!

Learn to read your plants. Learn basic botany. Learn that all you need for a good harvest is balanced nutrients, adequate light, and most importantly good starting genetics. All the tricks can be learned from agriculture history, many of them probably aren't the best (pgr, and the like) but the basics are all there.

 

[Growerguy420]

I thought uncle Ben was wasting his breath, but on the other hand if it wasn't for him stressing the importance of balance and avoiding the trap falls of marketing, that no product is going to change your yield or quality, it may have taken me longer to make the switch. Boy that's a long run on sentence!

Learn to read your plants. Learn basic botany. Learn that all you need for a good harvest is balanced nutrients, adequate light, and most importantly good starting genetics. All the tricks can be learned from agriculture history, many of them probably aren't the best (pgr, and the like) but the basics are all there.

Amen

 

[Shithousechef]

I am never here to put anyone person down my gripe is with these snake oil companies and their fancy marketing ploys to reel in the vulnerable consumer and take advantage of them.

It's funny because you know if JR Peters (jacks) wanted to advertise in the cannabis market (which obviously they wouldn't do anytime soon) they would put everyone else out of business. I think part of the reason people gravitate towards the canna specific nute companies over jacks (other than the organic argument) is because they are canna specific so they have the feed chart and consumers feel they can contact the company with questions. With jacks people have to actually learn and experiment on their own because there isn't a feed chart (which I wouldn't recommend anyway) and you wouldn't want to call jacks and ask them how to best use their product for growing weed. Nowadays you go on these forums or YouTube and there are tons of posts of people using the canna products that you can watch and follow what they do. You don't see anyone doing that with jacks. I think if someone were to create a thread titled Jacks growing tips and advice then some of us using those products can provide insight on what works to people who would actually consider using it. Instead of constantly providing help in these threads to someone using snake juices and wondering why they are having issues in mid flower but don't want to try using these suggestions, for reasons I can't seem to understand other than either ignorance or afraid to try something new...it's stilly for people like TonightYou or Uncle Ben to answer people's questions on how to fix their issues and when they say to switch to a more balanced nutrient you don't do It. I always say guys like Uncle Ben and TonightYou are wasting their breath but maybe in a thread titled jacks there will be people actually willing to listen and try things that are proven to work. If there were a thread directed towards jacks use and standard botany techniques (no feed charts, flushing or defoliation), I would be happy to offer insight

But I'm not complaining and I haven't had mid flower, early flower or late flower issues, lol. So why do you know cannabis geared items when your jacks has some made for hydrangea or citrus? Every plant has specific needs so I don't get the difference here. I'm not crying because I failed I am just broadening what I'm doing and learning. Through Botanicare and AN I have had successful grows for going on four years.

 

[TonightYou]

No one's saying you can't make it work with other products. By the way, I loved Jacks Citrus and need to order some again. Just hard to justify buying something I don't really need when I have a half a tub of Jacks that will last another year and a half.

The point is you can be saving money and be using a higher grade product. Jacks isn't the only one. Shit you could use miracle grow and do better than most AN grows I've seen. It's just you are buying into marketing and hype, instead of science. I'd bet any amount of money AN spends more on advertising and their bottles than they do on the ingredients.

Feel free to keep buying your watered down 0-0.4-1 or whatever with a whole kit of bottles. My point is it can be done cheaper, and be less of a hassle than that nonsense

 

[TonightYou]

Just do the math. Figure out what a grow costs you. I guarantee my method is cheaper and results in a problem free grow. Every grower/care giver should know their costs. With perpetual it's a little more work and having multiple strains running with different yields, but I can figure out how much a plant costs start to finish including electricity, excluding my personal time. Which would be an expense if it wasn't for the fact it's therapeutic for me

 

[Growerguy420]

No one's saying you can't make it work with other products. By the way, I loved Jacks Citrus and need to order some again. Just hard to justify buying something I don't really need when I have a half a tub of Jacks that will last another year and a half.

The point is you can be saving money and be using a higher grade product. Jacks isn't the only one. Shit you could use miracle grow and do better than most AN grows I've seen. It's just you are buying into marketing and hype, instead of science. I'd bet any amount of money AN spends more on advertising and their bottles than they do on the ingredients.

Feel free to keep buying your watered down 0-0.4-1 or whatever with a whole kit of bottles. My point is it can be done cheaper, and be less of a hassle than that nonsense

Like I said yesterday, it's not worth the waste of breath..

 

[TonightYou]

Like I said yesterday, it's not worth the waste of breath..

Even if it's not with the individual I'm engaging with, the thread is indexed with Google, if someone comes along and reads this and gets it, even one person, it wasn't a waste of time. People have helped me tremendously, I like to give back where I can. Plus I can back it up with pictures from my grow. Keeping them green, and healthy from start to finish

 

[Growerguy420]

Even if it's not with the individual I'm engaging with, the thread is indexed with Google, if someone comes along and reads this and gets it, even one person, it wasn't a waste of time. People have helped me tremendously, I like to give back where I can. Plus I can back it up with pictures from my grow. Keeping them green, and healthy from start to finish

Okay, I will certainly agree with that as I have been following advice from people like UB for more than 7 years now across various forums. And also not suggesting that the other individual is worthless it's just that most people who use snake oils are rather brainwashed.

 

[az2000]

I loved Jacks Citrus and need to order some again. Just hard to justify buying something I don't really need when I have a half a tub of Jacks that will last another year and a half.

Are you saying Jack's Citrus is better than Classic? Not trying to argue. It's just that, you've said we should "just do the math." If you loved Citrus, I imagine it was for some quantifiable reason. Likewise, you've advocated how inexpensive Jack's is. If there was something quantifiably better about Citrus, what's wrong with spending $25 (discarding your Classic)? That amortizes out to about $1.50 per month. Is it not that much better?

I know it sounds like I'm trying to turn your own argument against you. Perhaps I am, but it's just to understand where you would draw the line. For example, people say Golden Monkey Magic [whatever] is worth $300 a gallon because they grow cash crops and it increases yield enough that it's profitable.

Seems like the same reasoning, just different scales if you think Citrus is better enough to spend $1.50 more per month by aborting your use of Classic. It would also validate the principle that nutrients can be crop specific, or different ratios work better. If you're not willing, then I wonder what you love about it.