First grow -- Sweet Tooth x Ruderalis

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Update: added a second 45 watt bulb. The plant stretched. Touched the bulb. A tiny bit of the plant got burned and the bulb burned out (the new one). I'm bummed out

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Yup the thread lives So I've had some issues with some kind of virus or unidentifiable (to me) disease or maybe it was just the fact that I must have hurt some of the roots when I took out the middle plastic container. So I had leaves die out on me and I trimmed them off then the plant started growing again. which is awesome anyway I started to LST once I saw the leaves with 5 leaflets come out and this is how it looks

PS don't worry about the way the soil looks it's because I put in extra soil to reinforce the base of the LST wires AFTER I watered.

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Update, right? Tis what she looks like. Everything looking great. I improved temps, air circulations and moved it closer to the lights also further LST

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

It's been a month since sprout. It's still vegging. I'm starting to think it's not an autoflower lol. Or it could be the shock I've put it through with the roots and everything. Anyway I've bent it further. The stem is at almost 90 degrees and I've tried tucking in some of the fan leaves to get more light to the new branches that are developing. I'm gonna give it another week or more to flower and if it doesn't I'll just wait for the right time and try my hand at cloning

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

She blew up some more today. But while I was managing some of the LST wires I accidentally broke off a fan leaf attached to a very promising and young branch I'm hoping this sacrifice will bring better aeration and better light to the lower branches

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Thick canopy At this point I'm not messing with LST I'm just tucking in the big fan leaves to allow light and aeration to the new branches. I've learned a lot and I'm already thinking of future grows (LED, hempy bucket, good nutes, scrog) so I ordered up 3 fem Special Kush #1, tracking code informs me that they should arrive any minute now Anywho as soon as I run into some money I'm ordering (2) Nichia (Japan) 70 Watts at 1.8A I believe 2700K with Mean Well 1.4A drivers. When this is finished I'm posting the link to the new grow in here. Thanks y'all

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Those look like pistils to me

Edit: I was wrong. Those are not pistils. Honest mistake. Changing to 12/12

 

[Jae Shon]

Hey man,

Just saw your post. I'm new here and only a novice when it comes to farming that THC. But what I will say is based on my experience with autoflowers (my first 3 grows)... DON'T SWITCH TO 12's!!!
If they are true auto flower's you'll only hurt your yield and potency by doing so. All ruderalis genetics (auto's) aren't photo dependent, as I'm sure you've read, so take that as gospel. 20-4 works best and 18-6 is still good if you're finance are low. I'm gonna run some outdoor hempy bucket auto grows just to see during a Cali-Winter.
Also, glad to see you going away from the Sweet Tooth... just not potent enough in my humble opinion. And that's coming from someone whose soul purpose for using Marijuana was to combat my chronic back pain. It's just weak meds and if I were a person looking for a high it would'nt be in that direction. Also, auto versions tend to be less potent then the regular versions of the same strain.
Lastly, I'm not sure what 70 watters' you're looking for but Home Depot has LED's now that run at a sunlight equivalent as far as Kelvins. You should check them out.

P.s. Sweet Tooth is so weak that if it were not illegal I would happily give you the rest of mine.

 

[tekdc911]

Hey man,

Just saw your post. I'm new here and only a novice when it comes to farming that THC. But what I will say is based on my experience with autoflowers (my first 3 grows)... DON'T SWITCH TO 12's!!!
If they are true auto flower's you'll only hurt your yield and potency by doing so. All ruderalis genetics (auto's) aren't photo dependent, as I'm sure you've read, so take that as gospel. 20-4 works best and 18-6 is still good if you're finance are low. I'm gonna run some outdoor hempy bucket auto grows just to see during a Cali-Winter.
Also, glad to see you going away from the Sweet Tooth... just not potent enough in my humble opinion. And that's coming from someone whose soul purpose for using Marijuana was to combat my chronic back pain. It's just weak meds and if I were a person looking for a high it would'nt be in that direction. Also, auto versions tend to be less potent then the regular versions of the same strain.
Lastly, I'm not sure what 70 watters' you're looking for but Home Depot has LED's now that run at a sunlight equivalent as far as Kelvins. You should check them out.

P.s. Sweet Tooth is so weak that if it were not illegal I would happily give you the rest of mine.

barneys sweet tooth auto is straight fire ....... buds look laminated

 

[Ninjabowler]

Ive smoked some killer sweet tooth. I love the flavour of that bud. Could just be a bad pheno that popped up cause most ive seen was good.

Hey bro, the sprout is starting to look pretty big these days. And green. Whatever's in that dirt is really doing the trick. Oh and you should really look into a 400w hps. Theyll grow some nice plants if you can cool it. Ive run a 1000 w in an open closet and had no issues with heat from just leaving the door open and having one fan on it. I was into leds for a while and then i found the best. HPS. The only way to go. 2.5 gpw is possible.

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Hey man,

Just saw your post. I'm new here and only a novice when it comes to farming that THC. But what I will say is based on my experience with autoflowers (my first 3 grows)... DON'T SWITCH TO 12's!!!
If they are true auto flower's you'll only hurt your yield and potency by doing so. All ruderalis genetics (auto's) aren't photo dependent, as I'm sure you've read, so take that as gospel. 20-4 works best and 18-6 is still good if you're finance are low. I'm gonna run some outdoor hempy bucket auto grows just to see during a Cali-Winter.
Also, glad to see you going away from the Sweet Tooth... just not potent enough in my humble opinion. And that's coming from someone whose soul purpose for using Marijuana was to combat my chronic back pain. It's just weak meds and if I were a person looking for a high it would'nt be in that direction. Also, auto versions tend to be less potent then the regular versions of the same strain.
Lastly, I'm not sure what 70 watters' you're looking for but Home Depot has LED's now that run at a sunlight equivalent as far as Kelvins. You should check them out.

P.s. Sweet Tooth is so weak that if it were not illegal I would happily give you the rest of mine.

Hey I'm glad you posted, man. I'm happy to see there still is an audience to my rather embarrassing act
About the photoperiod it has come to my attention that this is a second generation autoflower (meaning Sweet Tooth has been crossed with an Indica dominant autoflower - probably Kritikal Bilbo or something from Kannabia or Genehtik seed banks; I'm not going into details because the entire conversation with the seed vendor is hazy ). So it occurred to me that it does need a little boost to flower since it has been 5 weeks since sprout and she did nothing but beef up with leaves (growth stunts, small size and everything accounted for, including my poor choice of grow medium and just newb mentality). Brass tacks Kannabia writes:

Since some people prefer to do their growing indoors, our trials have shown that these plants develop best if you:

• Use no larger than five-litre plant pots.
• Use a photoperiod of 12-14-16 hours of light for faster results (OUR BEST RESULTS WERE OBTAINED WITH 12/12 and 14/10 PHOTOPERIODS). If you leave it at 18 hours, you will have to stop feeding with growth fertiliser after two weeks and force the plant to flower, leaving it in darkness for 24–48 hours and then resuming the photoperiod.

In any case, WE DO NOT RECOMMEND USING OUR AUTO-FLOWERING VARIETIES WITH PHOTOPERIODS OF OVER 16 HOURS, AS THE PLANTS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME TO END THE PROCESS, TENDING TO GROW TO A HUGE SIZE AND RISKING GROWING BEYOND THE GROWER’S CONTROL.

then it goes on about HPS and all that

So you see... no harm to come from 12/12. They even recommend leaving it in darkness for 24-48 hours and I think I might just do that since the light has been on 18 hours a day for a month. And if it really has some ruderalis lineage once flower has been bumped then I can switch back to 18 hours of light since, in theory, they can't revert back to veg IDK just crazy thinking, man

About the LED though... well I can't give you the link to it but like you said I'm sure they're pretty common on the market. So the specs go like this:
Nichia Chip on Board NCSLJ216A
Code: NSCLJ216A sm273 G3250- G3850 R8000
Max power: 70.2 Watt
2700K
and then it's rated at different currents: 1800mA, which will go to 39 Volts and 6426 lm (sweet ) 91 lm/Watt; 960mA which is 36 Volts and 3870 lm, that's 111 lm/watt. And then at 500mA which is, you guessed it, less but more (cause it's more efficient at 140lm/watt or something). I'll be running it at 1400mA because it's the only driver I could find with proper voltage so I can't give you accurate specs of what lumens I will be running and I really don't care )) LED attract me because they are 120degrees directional and little heat.
Oh yeah and speaking of moving away from bad strains (is there such thing?) and different lighting I have had my eyes on a 200 Watt 2100K CFL I don't think it's worth it though.

Again thanks for your post and sorry for my English. Send me some of that cali weed

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Ive smoked some killer sweet tooth. I love the flavour of that bud. Could just be a bad pheno that popped up cause most ive seen was good.

Hey bro, the sprout is starting to look pretty big these days. And green. Whatever's in that dirt is really doing the trick. Oh and you should really look into a 400w hps. Theyll grow some nice plants if you can cool it. Ive run a 1000 w in an open closet and had no issues with heat from just leaving the door open and having one fan on it. I was into leds for a while and then i found the best. HPS. The only way to go. 2.5 gpw is possible.

Thanks matter fact I have been looking at HPS and believe me when I'm ready to get one I won't hesitate. Baby steps, my man

Btw where did it go wrong with LEDs for you?

 

[Ninjabowler]

Thanks matter fact I have been looking at HPS and believe me when I'm ready to get one I won't hesitate. Baby steps, my man

Btw where did it go wrong with LEDs for you?

Im subbed up. Light penetration. They just dont hit deep into the canopy. They work fine for veg but hps is king for flower. And the price is way lower. Hydro stores make so much money off of people who "outgrow" their systems. Baby steps works fine if you plan on spending your money twice. Im a big fan of buy the best tool for the job the first time and never buy it again. Every dollar you put into your grow should pay for itself in one grow. Every time you rebuy equipment your destroying your profit margin, weather its personal smoke or dispensary supply it all costs money to grow.

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Im subbed up. Light penetration. They just dont hit deep into the canopy. They work fine for veg but hps is king for flower. And the price is way lower. Hydro stores make so much money off of people who "outgrow" their systems. Baby steps works fine if you plan on spending your money twice. Im a big fan of buy the best tool for the job the first time and never buy it again. Every dollar you put into your grow should pay for itself in one grow. Every time you rebuy equipment your destroying your profit margin, weather its personal smoke or dispensary supply it all costs money to grow.

Damn man you're making me buy hps )) Nah but seriously I am aware that HPS is the best but when I said baby steps I meant mostly moving in to a bigger place that will facilitate an hps. Until then I'm trying to lower the footprint, energy bill and heat. Basically I'm trying to make the most out of a tiny amount of space, one-two plants at a time. I'm looking into scrogs

 

[tekdc911]

Damn man you're making me buy hps )) Nah but seriously I am aware that HPS is the best but when I said baby steps I meant mostly moving in to a bigger place that will facilitate an hps. Until then I'm trying to lower the footprint, energy bill and heat. Basically I'm trying to make the most out of a tiny amount of space, one-two plants at a time. I'm looking into scrogs

I ran a 400w HPS cool tube in a 3'x4.5'x5' cab for almost 3 years you dont need much space
and BTW a Apollo 400w aircooled hood dimmable ballast and bulb are usually in the $120 range on ebay if you already have exhaust you could tie into it or you could run its own duct/fan that sucks air from outside the room through the hood and back out the room so it wouldnt need a scrubber and would be unrestricted to help cool it faster

 

[tekdc911]

i love sweet tooth photo and auto ...... hands down one of my favorites ..... that being said i have a bad valve in my heart and this has swerved my interests from the speedy / clubbing smoke to a more of a trippy head high / body ........ i have to use the speedy sativa's in moderation ... but can chief like a big dog on my hazes all day with no worries

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

I ran a 400w HPS cool tube in a 3'x4.5'x5' cab for almost 3 years you dont need much space
and BTW a Apollo 400w aircooled hood dimmable ballast and bulb are usually in the $120 range on ebay if you already have exhaust you could tie into it or you could run its own duct/fan that sucks air from outside the room through the hood and back out the room so it wouldnt need a scrubber and would be unrestricted to help cool it faster

Hey. Thanks a lot for posting and for the advice
My cooling comes from two 80mm PC fans that I've picked up for less than 25 US cents each. Brand new. I'm not kidding I'm running them in parallel with a 12v driver. real ghetto
I wouldn't venture buying from ebay cause the shipping alone would be $60-100 I'm looking at a Sunmaster 400 W kit that goes for $160. The bulb is apparently dual spectrum (I guess that means it has more blue in it). Oh yeah and the balast goes up to 600W + power boost so I guess it's good if I want... I mean when I want to upgrade
My initial plan was to go with 100 Watts of LED (that is two LEDs at 50W each,probably about 12 000+ lumens; I've thought about it and I think that kind of light intensity might provide with enough light penetration for the bud, maybe even close to an HPS... dunno... that's why I wanna do this) because you can basically point the thing at the plants and there no loss of energy through heat and reflectors. Also I've seen some great results from grows using small wattage LEDs and 90degree lenses. And that works for me growing 1-2 plants at a time. Sure they are expensive but you get your money back on electricity bill and life of the lamp. I wanna do it just for giggles But results speak for themselves and since HPS lamps are so good and you guys recommend it I might go for it on my second grow. When this baby is finished I'm gonna draw the line and see what will work best for me Until then I have to admit I've learned a lot from RIU. Many thanks

i love sweet tooth photo and auto ...... hands down one of my favorites ..... that being said i have a bad valve in my heart and this has swerved my interests from the speedy / clubbing smoke to a more of a trippy head high / body ........ i have to use the speedy sativa's in moderation ... but can chief like a big dog on my hazes all day with no worries

I'm sorry to hear about your condition but I didn't quite get that... you're not allowed to smoke sativas as much yet you smoke a lot of haze?

 

[Jae Shon]

You guys really like sweet tooth huh? To each it's own. In my medicine cabinet I have Jack Herer, Chem Valley Kush, Purple Trainwreck, Super Green Crack, and Super Silver Haze, so the Sweet Tooth just didn't stand up to what I was used too. I like meds that are strong enough to replace all the prescription drugs they have to pump into my back (Norco, Diloted, Flexerall, and 4 others)
But if autoflowers are your preference then I would suggest using "super auto's." You only grow for 4 more weeks and get twice the yield.
I do agree with tekdc911's though Haze strains are where it's at.
But I don't want to come of as a guy who's talking crap and not trying to help, so PM me an address. If you know how to wire I have 3 or 4 of PC fans I'm not using, yours if you want them?

 

[Jae Shon]

*off
my english is also not the best.lol

 

[Jae Shon]

I ran a 400w HPS cool tube in a 3'x4.5'x5' cab for almost 3 years you dont need much space
and BTW a Apollo 400w aircooled hood dimmable ballast and bulb are usually in the $120 range on ebay if you already have exhaust you could tie into it or you could run its own duct/fan that sucks air from outside the room through the hood and back out the room so it wouldnt need a scrubber and would be unrestricted to help cool it faster

I agree 100%! That's where I got my 600 + Free shipping and I've been happy ever since.