Man-made global warming is a lie and not backed up by science, claims leading meteorologist.

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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jahbrudda said:

You Can Prove a Negative
Can't prove a negative? Sure you can!
Published on September 15, 2011 by Stephen Law, Ph.D. in Believing Bull

"One reason that some people suppose science and reason are incapable of establishing beyond reasonable doubt that certainsupernatural claims—for example, that fairies or angels or spirit beings exist—are false, is that they assume you can't prove a negative. Indeed this is widely supposed to be some sort of "law of logic."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/believing-bull/201109/you-can-prove-negative

You just don't understand science!
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Then prove there's no invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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abandonconflict said:
Now that is a very specific claim and we're going to have to tussle with the burden of proof but I will admit I made the first claim. I would settle for any peer reviewed scientific research article which draws a conclusion one way or the other on it. So let's cooperate and share anything either of us finds which meets the standard.
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Better get used to doing your research on denier websites then, because it would blow the roof off of AGW.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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jahbrudda said:
I'm still waiting for you to prove global warming is caused by man.
As as you accomplish that, I'll get right to work on your request!
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There is no amount of evidence anyone could provide that would prove it to someone like you because you're not a skeptic, you're a denier, we've been over this a hundred times
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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Padawanbater2 said:
There is no amount of evidence anyone could provide that would prove it to someone like you because you're not a skeptic, you're a denier, we've been over this a hundred times
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You're right, we have been over this numerous times and there is nothing you will accept that the science isn't settled, even when peer reviewed studies are provided, you bury your head in the sand.

I get it though, it's a religion to you and your kind.
 
heckler73

heckler73

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Padawanbater2 said:
Can you prove I don't own an invisible fire breathing dragon?
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Yes. If you can't measure it, it fails the test for scientific falsification (cf. Popper...and maybe Kuhn)

Do you know how many charged particles enter the atmosphere through the North pole and other breaches?


Above: A computer model of solar wind flowing around Earth's magnetic field on June 3, 2007. Background colors represent solar wind density; red is high density, blue is low. Solid black lines trace the outer boundaries of Earth's magnetic field. Note the layer of relatively dense material beneath the tips of the white arrows; that is solar wind entering Earth's magnetic field through the breach. Credit: Jimmy Raeder/UNH.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/16dec_giantbreach/

Although the explosion happened inside Earth's magnetic field, it was actually a release of energy from the sun. When the solar wind stretches Earth's magnetic field, it stores energy there, in much the same way energy is stored in a rubber band when you stretch it between thumb and forefinger. Bend your forefinger and—crack!—the rubber band snaps back on your thumb. Something similar happened inside the magnetotail on Feb. 26, 2008. Over-stretched magnetic fields snapped back, producing a powerful explosion. This process is called "magnetic reconnection" and it is thought to be common in stellar and planetary magnetic fields.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/24jul_plasmabullets/

I've 'heard' some differing positions, but I am willing to accept this "magnetic reconnection" hypothesis for the moment. At this juncture, can it be sufficiently stated charged particles enter the atmosphere, sometimes in amounts capable of enveloping the planet?
Note: this is not a quantitative point of question, yet. It is strictly a qualitative foundation.

 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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jahbrudda said:
You're right, we have been over this numerous times and there is nothing you will accept that the science isn't settled, even when peer reviewed studies are provided, you bury your head in the sand.

I get it though, it's a religion to you and your kind.
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I'll give you credit for being the only one here to have almost cited decent research but you consistently misunderstand your own citations and they end up actually supporting the IPCC position. You also omit links when you do. Nonetheless I'll give you props for providing peer reviewed citations. The only smart guy on your side (Heckler) made a good point.

So here is a chance for you guys to actually get some momentum. Because let's face it, the only reason these threads are constantly shifting through talking points is that we keep destroying all of the talking points you guys resort to.
 
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NoDrama

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heckler73 said:
Yes. If you can't measure it, it fails the test for scientific falsification (cf. Popper...and maybe Kuhn)

Do you know how many charged particles enter the atmosphere through the North pole and other breaches?


Above: A computer model of solar wind flowing around Earth's magnetic field on June 3, 2007. Background colors represent solar wind density; red is high density, blue is low. Solid black lines trace the outer boundaries of Earth's magnetic field. Note the layer of relatively dense material beneath the tips of the white arrows; that is solar wind entering Earth's magnetic field through the breach. Credit: Jimmy Raeder/UNH.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/16dec_giantbreach/

Although the explosion happened inside Earth's magnetic field, it was actually a release of energy from the sun. When the solar wind stretches Earth's magnetic field, it stores energy there, in much the same way energy is stored in a rubber band when you stretch it between thumb and forefinger. Bend your forefinger and—crack!—the rubber band snaps back on your thumb. Something similar happened inside the magnetotail on Feb. 26, 2008. Over-stretched magnetic fields snapped back, producing a powerful explosion. This process is called "magnetic reconnection" and it is thought to be common in stellar and planetary magnetic fields.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/24jul_plasmabullets/

I've 'heard' some differing positions, but I am willing to accept this "magnetic reconnection" hypothesis for the moment. At this juncture, can it be sufficiently stated charged particles enter the atmosphere, sometimes in amounts capable of enveloping the planet?
Note: this is not a quantitative point of question, yet. It is strictly a qualitative foundation.

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pffft
charged particles and magnetic fields do not exist!!
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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So does anyone have any citation concluding one way or the other regarding a correlation between the climate and the rotational axis?
 
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NoDrama

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abandonconflict said:
So does anyone have any citation concluding one way or the other regarding a correlation between the climate and the rotational axis?
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  1. Hays, J. D.; Imbrie, J.; Shackleton, N. J. (1976). "Variations in the Earth's Orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages". Science 194 (4270): 1121–1132. doi:10.1126/science.194.4270.1121. PMID 17790893. edit
  2. Girkin, Amy Negich (2005). A Computational Study on the Evolution of the Dynamics of the Obliquity of the Earth (PDF) (Master of Science thesis). Miami University.
  3. Laskar, J; Fienga, A.; Gastineau, M.; Manche, H (2011). "La2010: A new orbital solution for the long-term motion of the Earth." (PDF). Astronomy & Astrophysics 532 (A889).
  4. Berger A., Loutre M.F., Mélice J.L. (2006). "Equatorial insolation: from precession harmonics to eccentricity frequencies" (PDF). Clim. Past Discuss. 2 (4): 519–533. doi:10.5194/cpd-2-519-2006.
  5. "Chapter 3" (PDF). "Deliverables of IEA SHC – Task 26: Solar Combisystems".
  6. Data from United States Naval Observatory
  7. Williams, D.M., Pollard, P. (2002). "Earth-like worlds on eccentric orbits: excursions beyond the habitable zone". Inter. J. Astrobio. 1: 21–9. doi:10.1017/s1473550402001064.
  8. Richard A Muller, Gordon J. F. MacDonald (1997). "Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing". Science 277 (5323): 215–8. Bibcode:1997Sci...277..215M. doi:10.1126/science.277.5323.215.
  9. "Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle: eccentricity or orbital inclination?". Richard A Muller. Retrieved March 2, 2005.
  10. Milankovitch, Milutin (1998) [1941]. Canon of Insolation and the Ice Age Problem. Belgrade: Zavod za Udz̆benike i Nastavna Sredstva. ISBN 86-17-06619-9.; see also "Astronomical Theory of Climate Change".
  11. Wunsch, Carl (2004). "Quantitative estimate of the Milankovitch-forced contribution to observed Quaternary climate change". Quaternary Science Reviews 23 (9–10): 1001–12. Bibcode:2004QSRv...23.1001W. doi:10.1016/j.quascirev.2004.02.014.
  12. Rial, J.A. (October 2003), Earth’s orbital eccentricity and the rhythm of the Pleistocene ice ages: the concealed pacemaker, Global and Planetary Change, archived from the original on 2011-07-20
  13. Ghil, Michael (1994). "Cryothermodynamics: the chaotic dynamics of paleoclimate". Physica D 77 (1–3): 130–159. Bibcode:1994PhyD...77..130G. doi:10.1016/0167-2789(94)90131-7.
  14. Gildor H, Tziperman E (2000). "Sea ice as the glacial cycles' climate switch: Role of seasonal and orbital forcing". Paleoceanography 15 (6): 605–615. Bibcode:2000PalOc..15..605G. doi:10.1029/1999PA000461.
  15. Zachos JC, Shackleton NJ, Revenaugh JS, Pälike H, Flower BP (April 2001). "Climate response to orbital forcing across the Oligocene-Miocene boundary". Science 292 (5515): 27–48. Bibcode:2001Sci...292..274Z. doi:10.1126/science.1058288. PMID 11303100.
  16. Imbrie and Imbrie; Ice Ages, solving the mystery, p 158
  17. Imbrie, Hays, Shackleton Science 1976
  18. Shackleton, Berger, Peltier An alternative astronomical calibration of the lower Pleistocene timescale based on ODP Site 677 Trans Roy Soc Edinb 1990
  19. Insolation-driven 100,000-year glacial cycles and hysteresis of ice-sheet volume Ayako Abe-Ouchi et al Nature 500 2013
  20. F. Varadi, B. Runnegar, M. Ghil (2003). "Successive Refinements in Long-Term Integrations of Planetary Orbits" (PDF). The Astrophysical Journal 592: 620–630. Bibcode:2003ApJ...592..620V. doi:10.1086/375560.
  21. Kaufman, D. S.; Schneider, D. P.; McKay, N. P.; Ammann, C. M.; Bradley, R. S.; Briffa, K. R.; Miller, G. H.; Otto-Bliesner, B. L.; Overpeck, J. T.; Vinther, B. M.; Abbott, M.; Axford, M.; Bird, Y.; Birks, B.; Bjune, H. J. B.; Briner, A. E.; Cook, J.; Chipman, T.; Francus, M.; Gajewski, P.; Geirsdottir, K.; Hu, A.; Kutchko, F. S.; Lamoureux, B.; Loso, S.; MacDonald, M.; Peros, G.; Porinchu, M.; Schiff, D.; Seppa, C.; Seppa, H.; Arctic Lakes 2k Project Members (2009). "Recent Warming Reverses Long-Term Arctic Cooling". Science 325 (5945): 1236–1239. doi:10.1126/science.1173983. PMID 19729653. edit
    "Arctic Warming Overtakes 2,000 Years of Natural Cooling". UCAR. September 3, 2009. Retrieved 19 May 2011.
    Bello, David (September 4, 2009). "Global Warming Reverses Long-Term Arctic Cooling". Scientific American. Retrieved 19 May 2011.
  22. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/milankovitch.html
  23. J Imbrie, J Z Imbrie (1980). "Modeling the Climatic Response to Orbital Variations". Science 207 (4434): 943–953. Bibcode:1980Sci...207..943I. doi:10.1126/science.207.4434.943. PMID 17830447.
  24. Berger A, Loutre MF (2002). "Climate: An exceptionally long interglacial ahead?". Science 297 (5585): 1287–8. doi:10.1126/science.1076120. PMID 12193773
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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NoDrama said:
  1. Hays, J. D.; Imbrie, J.; Shackleton, N. J. (1976). "Variations in the Earth's Orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages". Science 194 (4270): 1121–1132. doi:10.1126/science.194.4270.1121. PMID 17790893. edit
  2. Girkin, Amy Negich (2005). A Computational Study on the Evolution of the Dynamics of the Obliquity of the Earth (PDF) (Master of Science thesis). Miami University.
  3. Laskar, J; Fienga, A.; Gastineau, M.; Manche, H (2011). "La2010: A new orbital solution for the long-term motion of the Earth." (PDF). Astronomy & Astrophysics 532 (A889).
  4. Berger A., Loutre M.F., Mélice J.L. (2006). "Equatorial insolation: from precession harmonics to eccentricity frequencies" (PDF). Clim. Past Discuss. 2 (4): 519–533. doi:10.5194/cpd-2-519-2006.
  5. "Chapter 3" (PDF). "Deliverables of IEA SHC – Task 26: Solar Combisystems".
  6. Data from United States Naval Observatory
  7. Williams, D.M., Pollard, P. (2002). "Earth-like worlds on eccentric orbits: excursions beyond the habitable zone". Inter. J. Astrobio. 1: 21–9. doi:10.1017/s1473550402001064.
  8. Richard A Muller, Gordon J. F. MacDonald (1997). "Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing". Science 277 (5323): 215–8. Bibcode:1997Sci...277..215M. doi:10.1126/science.277.5323.215.
  9. "Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle: eccentricity or orbital inclination?". Richard A Muller. Retrieved March 2, 2005.
  10. Milankovitch, Milutin (1998) [1941]. Canon of Insolation and the Ice Age Problem. Belgrade: Zavod za Udz̆benike i Nastavna Sredstva. ISBN 86-17-06619-9.; see also "Astronomical Theory of Climate Change".
  11. Wunsch, Carl (2004). "Quantitative estimate of the Milankovitch-forced contribution to observed Quaternary climate change". Quaternary Science Reviews 23 (9–10): 1001–12. Bibcode:2004QSRv...23.1001W. doi:10.1016/j.quascirev.2004.02.014.
  12. Rial, J.A. (October 2003), Earth’s orbital eccentricity and the rhythm of the Pleistocene ice ages: the concealed pacemaker, Global and Planetary Change, archived from the original on 2011-07-20
  13. Ghil, Michael (1994). "Cryothermodynamics: the chaotic dynamics of paleoclimate". Physica D 77 (1–3): 130–159. Bibcode:1994PhyD...77..130G. doi:10.1016/0167-2789(94)90131-7.
  14. Gildor H, Tziperman E (2000). "Sea ice as the glacial cycles' climate switch: Role of seasonal and orbital forcing". Paleoceanography 15 (6): 605–615. Bibcode:2000PalOc..15..605G. doi:10.1029/1999PA000461.
  15. Zachos JC, Shackleton NJ, Revenaugh JS, Pälike H, Flower BP (April 2001). "Climate response to orbital forcing across the Oligocene-Miocene boundary". Science 292 (5515): 27–48. Bibcode:2001Sci...292..274Z. doi:10.1126/science.1058288. PMID 11303100.
  16. Imbrie and Imbrie; Ice Ages, solving the mystery, p 158
  17. Imbrie, Hays, Shackleton Science 1976
  18. Shackleton, Berger, Peltier An alternative astronomical calibration of the lower Pleistocene timescale based on ODP Site 677 Trans Roy Soc Edinb 1990
  19. Insolation-driven 100,000-year glacial cycles and hysteresis of ice-sheet volume Ayako Abe-Ouchi et al Nature 500 2013
  20. F. Varadi, B. Runnegar, M. Ghil (2003). "Successive Refinements in Long-Term Integrations of Planetary Orbits" (PDF). The Astrophysical Journal 592: 620–630. Bibcode:2003ApJ...592..620V. doi:10.1086/375560.
  21. Kaufman, D. S.; Schneider, D. P.; McKay, N. P.; Ammann, C. M.; Bradley, R. S.; Briffa, K. R.; Miller, G. H.; Otto-Bliesner, B. L.; Overpeck, J. T.; Vinther, B. M.; Abbott, M.; Axford, M.; Bird, Y.; Birks, B.; Bjune, H. J. B.; Briner, A. E.; Cook, J.; Chipman, T.; Francus, M.; Gajewski, P.; Geirsdottir, K.; Hu, A.; Kutchko, F. S.; Lamoureux, B.; Loso, S.; MacDonald, M.; Peros, G.; Porinchu, M.; Schiff, D.; Seppa, C.; Seppa, H.; Arctic Lakes 2k Project Members (2009). "Recent Warming Reverses Long-Term Arctic Cooling". Science 325 (5945): 1236–1239. doi:10.1126/science.1173983. PMID 19729653. edit
    "Arctic Warming Overtakes 2,000 Years of Natural Cooling". UCAR. September 3, 2009. Retrieved 19 May 2011.
    Bello, David (September 4, 2009). "Global Warming Reverses Long-Term Arctic Cooling". Scientific American. Retrieved 19 May 2011.
  22. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/milankovitch.html
  23. J Imbrie, J Z Imbrie (1980). "Modeling the Climatic Response to Orbital Variations". Science 207 (4434): 943–953. Bibcode:1980Sci...207..943I. doi:10.1126/science.207.4434.943. PMID 17830447.
  24. Berger A, Loutre MF (2002). "Climate: An exceptionally long interglacial ahead?". Science 297 (5585): 1287–8. doi:10.1126/science.1076120. PMID 12193773
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SCIENCE!!!!!
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Oh a bunch of copy pasted citations you expect me to look at, even though you didn't.

Come on, play along, which part of that wall of text leads me to what the scientists actually say?
 
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