Super Cropping vs SCROG vs Topping vs LolliPopping

[Mathew Harrison]

Just looking for a bit of guidance from you growers.

First of all can you combine all of these Advanced steps into one Cannabis plant (Super Cropping + SCROG + Topping + Lollipopping)
Also SCROG and Super Cropping seem very similar.

Could you let me know which you could combine for best yields.

 

[Sativied]

I would go for Super Cropping + SCROG + Topping + Lollipopping + LST +Topping again, twice.

 

[Mathew Harrison]

I would go for Super Cropping + SCROG + Topping + Lollipopping + LST +Topping again, twice.

That sounds like the yield would be good. Now Topping Twice after the first time or just twice in general? Ill likely test this out.Now would this work well with Aeroponics system?

 

[Sativied]

Ok, seriously the point was that combining all those techniques is overdoing it.

If you use a scrog for example, you don't need to super crop, just bind the branches to the scrog net. And for example if you start cropping or LST early, you don't need to top and certainly not lollipop.

The point of all (except lollipop) is canopy control, to try to get an even field of buds. Combining all of them makes no sense.

Personally I top first (leaving roughly 8 side branches) then tie those down a bit to spread the plant out (sort like LST) and then crop it to spread out the budsites.

Whether it's aeroponics or not is not so relevant, although using a scrog net creates the downside of not being able to lift the plants out of the system to check the roots.

 

[Mathew Harrison]

Ok, seriously the point was that combining all those techniques is overdoing it.

If you use a scrog for example, you don't need to super crop, just bind the branches to the scrog net. And for example if you start cropping or LST early, you don't need to top and certainly not lollipop.

The point of all (except lollipop) is canopy control, to try to get an even field of buds. Combining all of them makes no sense.

Personally I top first (leaving roughly 8 side branches) then tie those down a bit to spread the plant out (sort like LST) and then crop it to spread out the budsites.

Whether it's aeroponics or not is not so relevant, although using a scrog net creates the downside of not being able to lift the plants out of the system to check the roots.

thanks very much. I assumed it would be overdoing it. Just was waiting for an experienced member to let me,know.
ill likely supercrop instead of scrog,since Aero. Im still,unsure if topping or,lillipopping would,be best for yeild as well as in my aero,system. Let me,know again thanks

 

[Shwagbag]

I do it all, using whatever technique provides the best overall canopy for my needs at the time. I'm a perpetual grower using mostly clones, so I don't really scrog because its not feasible for me. I certainly do everything else whenever each deems necessary.

Check out the supercropping link in my sig for a few pages of pics and notes.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Ok, seriously the point was that combining all those techniques is overdoing it.
The point of all (except lollipop) is canopy control, to try to get an even field of buds. Combining all of them makes no sense.

It does because it's advanced.

 

[Scrogmonkey]

A big factor in all of this,is what strain you are using,some strains are more suitable than others for all of the techniques stated above.
You would do well to find one that suits them all

 

[Mathew Harrison]

Thanks all. Im well into deciding on if I should do it all ( maybe exclude scrog) but super crop, top, lollipop for best canopy

 

[Smokebomb420]

Scrogs will get u most bud sites and even ones too.
I'm gonna start mini scrog soon.

Super cropping is great too but sometimes causes too much stress and takes a while to recover.

Topping, everyone tops and uses it almost in every situation. Only in small pot sog it is not used.

Lollipop, I never saw the use for all the defoiling. I'd say just pick off dead and old leaves.

I used to super crop branches that were 2 feet long with 12-15 nodes and I would get something like 10 new shoots out of one branch... Then I started scrogging...

 

[Mathew Harrison]

Scrogs will get u most bud sites and even ones too.
I'm gonna start mini scrog soon.

Super cropping is great too but sometimes causes too much stress and takes a while to recover.

Topping, everyone tops and uses it almost in every situation. Only in small pot sog it is not used.

Lollipop, I never saw the use for all the defoiling. I'd say just pick off dead and old leaves.

I used to super crop branches that were 2 feet long with 12-15 nodes and I would get something like 10 new shoots out of one branch... Then I started scrogging...

So scrog and topping is the way to go. Thanks. sounds like best choice

 

[Smokebomb420]

I'll drop a link give me a sec

19 minutes and 50 seconds u can see how much he topped

 

[Mathew Harrison]

thanks ill take a look

 

[Merlin34]

I top and top and top.... I end up with lollypopped plants that are flat like scrog but 3-4 feet tall and sometimes 3 feet wide with no support so I can move them around.

Sent from Northern Colorado.

 

[ayr0n]

So scrog and topping is the way to go. Thanks. sounds like best choice

Thanks all. Im well into deciding on if I should do it all ( maybe exclude scrog) but super crop, top, lollipop for best canopy

thanks very much. I assumed it would be overdoing it. Just was waiting for an experienced member to let me,know.
ill likely supercrop instead of scrog,since Aero. Im still,unsure if topping or,lillipopping would,be best for yeild as well as in my aero,system. Let me,know again thanks

I think it'd help to start with a stronger understanding of what those methods actually are.

Think about this - you could take acid, meth, crack, shrooms, and heroine all at once but at a certain point you'd just be Fucked up n wouldn't know which one cause the strongest effect...if u try all the training methods at once how will you know what actually produced a bigger yield? Try one at a time with all other conditions the same n then decide what works best for you.

Once you know what is actually happening when you apply these techniques then you can mix things up, realize what methods complement each other n you won't be just doing a generalized "super cropping" or "topping" or whatever but rather simply training and managing your plants to achieve optimal results.

 

[burgertime2010]

I think it'd help to start with a stronger understanding of what those methods actually are.

Think about this - you could take acid, meth, crack, shrooms, and heroine all at once but at a certain point you'd just be Fucked up n wouldn't know which one cause the strongest effect...if u try all the training methods at once how will you know what actually produced a bigger yield? Try one at a time with all other conditions the same n then decide what works best for you.

Once you know what is actually happening when you apply these techniques then you can mix things up, realize what methods complement each other n you won't be just doing a generalized "super cropping" or "topping" or whatever but rather simply training and managing your plants to achieve optimal results.

 

[Careerforacityboy]

Cool thread of technique comparisons here...good read.

 

[purplegrower02]

I really think you would be better off main lining since it provides even distribution to all 4,8,16,32 tops.

 

[Flagg420]

mainlining will only work if you have a cola dominant strain, and unless your good, and patient as well, is a bastard to pull off on clones rather than seeds.

Grow is out, top it a few times, then grow it into a screen for a week or two, flip it 12/12, trim anything under the screen after 1.5-2weeks of flower

When you go in @ week 6 flower and see a mini field of colas on that screen, you'll be happy you did it...

(unless you have the means, then go vert, cage the plants, and rotate them many times a day)

 

[hydroMD]

Ok, seriously the point was that combining all those techniques is overdoing it.

If you use a scrog for example, you don't need to super crop, just bind the branches to the scrog net. And for example if you start cropping or LST early, you don't need to top and certainly not lollipop.

The point of all (except lollipop) is canopy control, to try to get an even field of buds. Combining all of them makes no sense.

Personally I top first (leaving roughly 8 side branches) then tie those down a bit to spread the plant out (sort like LST) and then crop it to spread out the budsites.

Whether it's aeroponics or not is not so relevant, although using a scrog net creates the downside of not being able to lift the plants out of the system to check the roots.

I use all of these techniques with great results. If it provides better results your not overdoing anything.


This is an example of using a bit of each method. This pic was taken after i removed the trellis and insted of suoercropping, i topped the cut a week before i took it from tje mother, then planted it so 3 stems were coming out of hydroton.